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I second that... no need to twist the words of the bible since they were written twisted...


As for myself, I was indoctrinated as a child...

I went to church every Wednesday, and twice on Sunday (morning and evening) from the time I was born until I was 16

I considered myself a Christian until I was 12 and started reading the book for myself (oddly enough, I was forced to read it daily when I started going to a Christian school in the 7-9th grade)

After reading the bible, I could no longer believe it.  There were too many false statements, contradictions, poor morals, etc...

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I mean, it started out alright... there was a nice story about creation, then a bunch of animals on a boat (where God murders 99.9999999% of the planet)...

I felt bad for the Israelites because they were slaves... but when Moses asked Pharaoh to, "let my people go"... Pharaoh was ready to do exactly that, except God intervened... "God hardened Pharaoh's heart", so he could plague him 10 times... eventually murdering the first born son of every Egyptian citizen, slave, and even the animals!

Then those poor Israelites got lost in the desert for 40 years... another sad situation... Until God provides "the land of milk and honey", where there were a bunch of farmers who had cows and beehives... Those poor farmers didn't know anything about war, so it was a massacre... the Israelites murdered them to the man

A few chapters later there is a single sentence where God commands the Israelites to destroy 60 cities!  Genocide of 60 cities commanded by God... what the fuck is this?!?
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This left me in a strange situation... it took me 4 years to convince my parents they didn't need to drag me to church any longer because I didn't believe that stuff...

I also didn't know what to call myself, so if anyone asked, I answered that I was a Christian for several more years... Even when I joined the military, I put down that I was of Christian religion... 6 years after I stopped believing it... religion really gets a good grip when indoctrinated as a child

This is why I feel sad for someone like BADecker who was clearly indoctrinated as well... I see indoctrination as equivalent to your parents infecting you with a disease, like HIV, only a mental disorder... Intentionality!

*drops mic*

You are simply twisting the words to try and make it look bad. A fools/losers strategy to take down the opponent.

These will give you the facts you are looking for. Lots of facts. You can check out the following websites too.
www.answersingenesis.org
www.rationalchristianity.com
www.creation.com
www.carm.org
www.tektonics.com
www.everystudent.com
www.reasonablefaith.com

You didn't read it either, by your own admission.

So why should anyone listen to your opinion about it?

You don't know what you're talking about.

There is plenty of information available to you, showing that everything in the Bible is true and correct.

If you choose to reject that information, I can't force you to tell the truth about it.
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People are encouraged to read the Bible for themselves.  I provided shortcuts to the crazier parts.

If you can read critically, you'll find this book repulsive, unless you are already a psychopath, in that case this book might be a good manual for you.

Problem is most Christians don't read the Bible. Or read the passages they like, passages that help them and ignore the rest.
By doing that they are ignoring God (which is probably correct anyway as I don't believe he exists).

My point is, this book is not a word of God, but it is a collective work of some sick, bronze age psychopaths that wrote rules to control their society as it emerged from stone age.



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I agree completely. To be honest I have to go one step further. Bringing up children in bible belief is child abuse.
Denying a child knowledge because of your personal superstition if a crime.
Read the bible. Its the fastest way to Atheism. You find out what the book really says, and it's not pretty.
I read the bible after one of my friends was "born again" and he wanted to convert me. I read it, puked, and got him on the right track again.
The book is disgusting if you read it and not just take quotes from your pastor as "the truth".
Read the damn book before you make up your mind about if it is true or not

Once again, the meaning was lost in translation from Hebrew to English...

If the bible is perfect, why are there thousands of different denominations who interpret the words differently?

The real question is why would a perfect God need to repeat his command 3 times (using the exact same words)?

Speaking of redundancy in the bible... why is the creation story duplicated?  In Genesis 1, God created man and women together, both from the dust of the Earth... but in Genesis 2, he created man first, then he created woman out of man's rib... why the minor change in storyline?

Why do Catholics believe in a different set of 10 commandments than protestant Christians?

Translation:

Pot: "Hey Kettle... you're black"


There are generally 2 common themes among Christians... hypocrisy, and ignorance...

How many times has this guy already claimed something as fact that we have proven false?  His first post was that we never referenced the bible (proving he didn't even bother to read the whopping 20 posts on the thread before making such a foolish reply)

I'm still waiting to see a single Christian that can articulate anything that is actually in the bible... so far, everything they assume about their own religion is false... it's like none of them have read the bible...

You didn't read it either, by your own admission.

So why should anyone listen to your opinion about it?

You don't know what you're talking about.

There is plenty of information available to you, showing that everything in the Bible is true and correct.

If you choose to reject that information, I can't force you to tell the truth about it.

Those silly Jews must not know what they are talking about then, eh?  It's a shame they wrote the bible since they don't understand how to interpret the words...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat_in_Jewish_law

Logic would suggest that perhaps there is an error in the translation into English... and the Jews, who wrote the original Hebrew Bible... understand it better than you?

Those are predictions of how people will behave, not commands.

But of course you know that, since any child can understand it.



Until you can post a single verse from the Bible saying that we're not allowed to eat meat and milk together,
please don't waste everyone's time any more by pretending to tell the truth.

Actually, the bible never says cannibalism is wrong... anywhere...

And, considering the ruler of the town does not condemn the act of cannibalism, the assumption is that he condones the behavior... I read the passage and there is no mention of any punishment for the cannibalism... it does not even imply that it was immoral or wrong... it implies that the woman who hid her son, after making an agreement to eat the child, was in the wrong... sooooooo evil

How about this one?

Or this? (full context included for your benefit)

Please stop... you have obviously not read the bible

Have you read Leviticus?  You should know the context!  It's a fucking book of laws! that's what it is... that is the context... (horrible, immoral laws)

Leviticus includes such things as taking your unruly child to the edge of town and murdering your own child!

Read the fucking book man! It's insidious!

That is incorrect, because it's supposed to be a list of crazy things that the Bible condones or commands.

This is just a true story about someone doing something wrong, and it is understood that it is wrong.

By objecting to this story, you are the one who seems to be condoning cannibalism. 

The Bible says cannibalism is wrong, and you say that's "crazy".  Maybe you need professional help.

You said "you also cannot eat meat and dairy in the same meal".

You were completely wrong, claiming that the Bible says things that the Bible does not say.


And now you want to talk about "context", like a true shameless hypocrite.

What is the context for all those quotes from the book of Leviticus?

When you quote specific rules only for priests from the tribe of Levi regarding how they were to handle their mobile temple tent in the wilderness for 40 years, and you tell people "God says you have to do these things", that makes you a liar.  For some people it might make them only mistaken, but you've gone out of your way to make a point about knowing what the Bible says before you speak.

Holy shit!  How did I not know the bible condones cannibalism?

I beg to differ... I have read the bible, and it says what he claims it says...

He says genocide, and that's how I interpret the passage... How do you interpret this verse?

I just looked up some of those verses, and they don't say what he says they say.

Is he a liar, or stupid, or just confused?

When did I say either of those things?

Let me help you:
The first I never said
The second I said, but in a completely different context... I was not talking about the prohibition of eating meat and dairy in the same meal... I was speaking of the various food prohibitions in reply to the man asking specifically about shellfish

So you can't provide a single instance of the Bible saying that we can't eat meat and milk together.

The Israelites were forbidden from performing a pagan religious ritual which involved boiling a baby goat in its own mother's milk.

But they weren't even forbidden from boiling the same baby goat in another goat's milk.

So when you said there were 3 different rules, were you confused?

Or were you trying to change the subject away from what's actually in the Bible?

When you said it was spread throughout different books of the Bible, you just meant 2 books that said the exact same thing?

Why did you tell people that the Bible forbids us to eat meat and milk together, which you couldn't actually find in the Bible when you looked for it just now, and then you hypocritically accused others of not knowing what the Bible says?

Are you certain those claims are false?  Have you read the bible?!?

Do you have a bible handy?  He posted the book, chapter and verse for each claim... lets hear what your bible says...