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copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
December 01, 2021, 05:28:53 AM
Still heard nothing from these guys.

The problem that is being mentioned here is that 4444 seem to be just voiding bets of people who win. Some people are going to win, because they are good at sports betting.

What the industry does is to limit winning bettors, they don't just void their bets.

The standard reaction of desperate bookmakers!
But even sadder than all that are these people defending them and they are on their side, I would like them all to experience the same problem as us. They defend some of their rules that no one has even broken, just to get 10$ freebet or some stupid bonus.
Tell me please is it forbidden to bet on the Champions League? Or I forbidden to win the bet?

https://ibb.co/R4p2tCy

This is not your entire betting history. You only placed these bets with a small amount, trying to cover your other bets were the odds did not represent the real value, and you know that very well.
You did not post your bets where you won unfair.
So if you want to post your bets, then post your other bets as well. Now you are just trying to mislead people here.
jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
December 01, 2021, 05:21:03 AM
Still heard nothing from these guys.

The problem that is being mentioned here is that 4444 seem to be just voiding bets of people who win. Some people are going to win, because they are good at sports betting.

What the industry does is to limit winning bettors, they don't just void their bets.

The standard reaction of desperate bookmakers!
But even sadder than all that are these people defending them and they are on their side, I would like them all to experience the same problem as us. They defend some of their rules that no one has even broken, just to get 10$ freebet or some stupid bonus.
Tell me please is it forbidden to bet on the Champions League? Or I forbidden to win the bet?

https://ibb.co/R4p2tCy
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
December 01, 2021, 05:10:40 AM


copper member
Activity: 118
Merit: 12
December 01, 2021, 04:25:14 AM
Still heard nothing from these guys.

The problem that is being mentioned here is that 4444 seem to be just voiding bets of people who win. Some people are going to win, because they are good at sports betting.

What the industry does is to limit winning bettors, they don't just void their bets.
legendary
Activity: 1323
Merit: 1000
November 30, 2021, 09:39:33 PM
@aleandromagno

Fak off, pay attention to your own image

@bitcointalk users

I was there to fight against malubit, adkinsbet and now i am here to fight against these shitheads

Everyone has the right to write what he want as long as it complies with the forum rules.

But could you explain what 4444sport.com did to you? Or why do you think they are dishonest?
jr. member
Activity: 204
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 08:49:09 PM
@aleandromagno

Fak off, pay attention to your own image

@bitcointalk users

I was there to fight against malubit, adkinsbet and now i am here to fight against these shitheads
legendary
Activity: 1323
Merit: 1000
November 30, 2021, 08:29:23 PM
Dont waste time with these scammers

10 make new sportsbook
20 steal customers deposit
30 close down sportsbook
40 goto 10

Fak them



I wonder if you opened their website at all. Looking at the opinion of other users about you, there is not much truth in what you write.



I just wonder why you are doing this? Did they catch you cheating?
jr. member
Activity: 204
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 08:14:47 PM
Dont waste time with these scammers

10 make new sportsbook
20 steal customers deposit
30 close down sportsbook
40 goto 10

Fak them

sr. member
Activity: 1274
Merit: 265
November 30, 2021, 07:56:54 PM
The rules of the site have no legal value. If he was in Europe he would condemn them and there would be compensation, but in Costa Rica it is completely absurd to achieve something

I think this is a user who knew very well what he was doing. He wanted to take advantage of that it is new bookmaker and now he is doing a show on Bitcointalk to scare and make pressure to get the money that he won unfairly.
More and more often I see such situations that the fresh Bitcointalk accounts reports an issue and starts doing drama. However, looking on behavior it is very clear that this is not a newbie, but someone with a lot of experience. He always has screenshots and a detailed description ready. In my opinion, they just want to take advantage of the fact that this is a brand new bookmaker so will scare and/or fall for their tricks. It is not possible for him to take any legal action. This is only part of the show.
member
Activity: 511
Merit: 11
November 30, 2021, 07:07:50 PM
The rules of the site have no legal value. If he was in Europe he would condemn them and there would be compensation, but in Costa Rica it is completely absurd to achieve something
member
Activity: 1092
Merit: 67
November 30, 2021, 06:43:24 PM
The expected reaction from a desperate bookmaker, they don't allow you to win money.
Unlike the others I have not bet Befica, also i do not follow any tipsters. Shame on the bookmaker.
My lawyer will send you a warning before the lawsuit in the next few days. I have all the evidence that you are a fraud.

I'm not on either side, but I'm very curious about this situation.

Conflict between a new bookmaker on the market and a brand new account on Bitcointalk.

Keep us informed about your lawyer's progress in this case please.

This is interesting to follow, if indeed there will be lawsuit coming up or just a threat. Have he carefully read the terms of the site? Because he may really be violating some terms. But either way, both sides need to provide proofs. I haven't seen actual lawsuit stemming from this forum. Maybe this will be the first. I am wondering if he is really a newbie here and just happen to play in a new bookmaker here?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1016
November 30, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
The expected reaction from a desperate bookmaker, they don't allow you to win money.
Unlike the others I have not bet Befica, also i do not follow any tipsters. Shame on the bookmaker.
My lawyer will send you a warning before the lawsuit in the next few days. I have all the evidence that you are a fraud.

I'm not on either side, but I'm very curious about this situation.

Conflict between a new bookmaker on the market and a brand new account on Bitcointalk.

Keep us informed about your lawyer's progress in this case please.
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
I want to remind people that we have a new week with our ongoing promotion:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-prediction-challenge-1000-weekly-reward-round-2-5373889

jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
The expected reaction from a desperate bookmaker, they don't allow you to win money.
Unlike the others I have not bet Befica, also i do not follow any tipsters. Shame on the bookmaker.
My lawyer will send you a warning before the lawsuit in the next few days. I have all the evidence that you are a fraud.
copper member
Activity: 118
Merit: 12
November 30, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
I placed some bets on Benfica but they were understandably voided. So that should not come into your thoughts when reviewing the legitimate bets that I placed.

@younger41
We already have send you an email about the case. Our team has detected that you were betting on events on purpose where you had a massive and unfair advantage, most probably provided by tipster services.
The odds you have chosen implied a winning probability of 50%, but the real probability to win was much bigger and you know that very well.
We want to remind you that this is not allowed and is a violation of our terms. Therefore, all your bets have been voided.
We have decided to give you your deposited money back.
You can login to your account, and request the remaining funds from your balance.

Note: Unfortunately there are some players who want to exploit the situation with incorrect displayed odds in our software.
A good example is what happened with the match Belenenses - Benfica, Where the home team was infected with covid19, and started the match with only 9 players.
At the moment the odds for this match were available, the software provider and corresponding odds were not aware of the covid situation and offered the normal odds.
There were users, who were trying to exploit this situation and we consider this as a way of exploit our software on the platform on purpose and this is a violation of our terms.


I want to refer you to the terms:

10.10 Company reserves the right to close down existing accounts without explanation. In this event, or in the event of an account closure by a customer the gull balance will be paid out unless any fraudulent (e.g. Arbitrage, etc.) behavior is suspected. In case of fraudulent behavior, winnings will be voided and deposits will be confiscated or refunded, at Company's sole discretion, after we deduct the corresponding administrative and transaction fees and any fees that Company is obliged to pay to the competent authorities due to a customer’s complaint. Company also reserves the right to report to the appropriate authorities, if any customer is involved in any form of suspected fraudulent behavior.

10.11 As "Arbitrage" Company means the method certain players can use in order to abuse Sportsbook offers to their advantage. In such cases, we reserve the right to void bets, deduct winnings and remaining funds or return user's initial deposit at Company's discretion. Indicators, including but not limited, that gives Company strong reasons to believe that a bettor is abusing our offers using the arbitrage system.

10.12 We reserve the right to void and withhold any or all winnings made by any Player, where we have reasonable grounds to believe that the said Player is acting or has acted in liaison with an attempt to defraud or damage the Company and/or the Services and/or the Platform in any way.


@brassnuts
You have placed nearly 300 bets, so it will take some time to verify all your bets.

Please don't attempt to just void all of my bets, as about 50% of the bets I placed were live bets, which would not line up with the reasons you have given above for voiding all bets. It would not make any sense and it would be entirely disreputable.
member
Activity: 511
Merit: 11
November 30, 2021, 11:45:37 AM
I earned a lot of money from Benfica at a high odds. But that's why you have to monitor the movement of odds or a forecast from Tipster in time.but there was also information on Facebook groups and many people won good sums. they showed slips with over 10k euros. Benfica was a golden match  Grin
copper member
Activity: 56
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
@younger41
We already have send you an email about the case. Our team has detected that you were betting on events on purpose where you had a massive and unfair advantage, most probably provided by tipster services.
The odds you have chosen implied a winning probability of 50%, but the real probability to win was much bigger and you know that very well.
We want to remind you that this is not allowed and is a violation of our terms. Therefore, all your bets have been voided.
We have decided to give you your deposited money back.
You can login to your account, and request the remaining funds from your balance.

Note: Unfortunately there are some players who want to exploit the situation with incorrect displayed odds in our software.
A good example is what happened with the match Belenenses - Benfica, Where the home team was infected with covid19, and started the match with only 9 players.
At the moment the odds for this match were available, the software provider and corresponding odds were not aware of the covid situation and offered the normal odds.
There were users, who were trying to exploit this situation and we consider this as a way of exploit our software on the platform on purpose and this is a violation of our terms.


I want to refer you to the terms:

10.10 Company reserves the right to close down existing accounts without explanation. In this event, or in the event of an account closure by a customer the gull balance will be paid out unless any fraudulent (e.g. Arbitrage, etc.) behavior is suspected. In case of fraudulent behavior, winnings will be voided and deposits will be confiscated or refunded, at Company's sole discretion, after we deduct the corresponding administrative and transaction fees and any fees that Company is obliged to pay to the competent authorities due to a customer’s complaint. Company also reserves the right to report to the appropriate authorities, if any customer is involved in any form of suspected fraudulent behavior.

10.11 As "Arbitrage" Company means the method certain players can use in order to abuse Sportsbook offers to their advantage. In such cases, we reserve the right to void bets, deduct winnings and remaining funds or return user's initial deposit at Company's discretion. Indicators, including but not limited, that gives Company strong reasons to believe that a bettor is abusing our offers using the arbitrage system.

10.12 We reserve the right to void and withhold any or all winnings made by any Player, where we have reasonable grounds to believe that the said Player is acting or has acted in liaison with an attempt to defraud or damage the Company and/or the Services and/or the Platform in any way.


@brassnuts
You have placed nearly 300 bets, so it will take some time to verify all your bets.
jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
Still no one responds to the email as well as the forum. the only answer I got:
I'm afraid we'll run out of our money  Grin

They only once answer: https://ibb.co/b5LVTr1
copper member
Activity: 118
Merit: 12
November 30, 2021, 06:13:03 AM

Here is a shot of the withdrawal and the time it was requested.

https://ibb.co/CBbsTyG
jr. member
Activity: 44
Merit: 1
November 30, 2021, 06:09:48 AM
Of course I have all the pictures and evidence. Right now I'm corresponding with Sophia on live chat, but the only answer from her is: "Hi good day I'm Sophia and welcome to 4444sport.com"

https://ibb.co/TK4vd1T
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