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Topic: $0.85 transaction fee is absolutely ridiculous! - page 21. (Read 24262 times)

legendary
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This makes no sense one week ago 100k as fee would let your transaction to be confirmerd very fast, now its stucked in the blockchain, bitcoin is loosing those advantages it had in the begining, better trade with other coins with lower fees, its ridiculous fees at the moment.

Even if you trade with other coins when their transaction traffic will go high like bitcoin then they will also face the same problem. You are only seeing the high fees but you are not seeing that the value have also gone 3 times more what you were seeing before. It is true that fees is going high but the reason is heavy traffic of transaction which is making miners work more hard
hero member
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This makes no sense one week ago 100k as fee would let your transaction to be confirmerd very fast, now its stucked in the blockchain, bitcoin is loosing those advantages it had in the begining, better trade with other coins with lower fees, its ridiculous fees at the moment.
legendary
Activity: 3416
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The Concierge of Crypto
I think this is not too ridiculous considering bitcoin is in its all time high value at this moment and continue to rise day by day, you can customize the fees in some desktop wallet like mycelium if you want but expect it may take time to confirm from 1-4 days..

Really?
So you're ready to pay 5$ in fees when you buy a vpn subscription for 8$?
Let's say bitcoin reaches 1 million and every transaction cost 500$.

Are you still going to use bitcoin? I doubt it.


It would probably make more sense to pay for your VPN subscription annually, so you get a discount in both the price and the transaction fee.

If bitcoin reaches 1 million USD, I'm going to buy a yacht. (or a lambo.)
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 256
Am I the only one realizing that ~$1 fee to make a transaction is absolutely insane and defeats one of the core benefits of using bitcoin for daily transactions.

This is getting insane and is completely uncalled for, or am I wrong?
At the moment, $0.85 transaction fee is normal, but such charges are not attractive for small transactions, consistent with large volume transactions/
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
I think this is not too ridiculous considering bitcoin is in its all time high value at this moment and continue to rise day by day, you can customize the fees in some desktop wallet like mycelium if you want but expect it may take time to confirm from 1-4 days..

Really?
So you're ready to pay 5$ in fees when you buy a vpn subscription for 8$?
Let's say bitcoin reaches 1 million and every transaction cost 500$.

Are you still going to use bitcoin? I doubt it.
full member
Activity: 184
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Am I the only one realizing that ~$1 fee to make a transaction is absolutely insane and defeats one of the core benefits of using bitcoin for daily transactions.

This is getting insane and is completely uncalled for, or am I wrong?

The price of bitcoin increases accordingly and the price of payment for the transaction will also grow. It was immediately designed for large operations.
sr. member
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Well, at minimum....I'm happy to see many of you agree with my opinion and that it has created thoughtful discussion among all of us. Thank you for sharing your opinion on this, it's very useful to see how other people in the BTC community feel.
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
I just broke my record this morning.

I made a transaction with a 0.00185434 BTC fee. 1222 (bytes) so fee per byte was 151.746 sat/B.
41 minutes to confirm. I was a BTC supporter because it allowed cheap and fast transactions, those days are gone.

Waiting for SegWit...
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
It is evolving. Keep in mind btc price is up a ton. At 1600 to 1800 usd per btc the fee is going to cost more usd. If the btc price was 10000 right now the fee would be like5 or 6 usd.

Need segwit to bring prices down overall.

SegWit will bring down the transaction fee prices, but will most likely increase the price of each BTC. If the BTC price is $10k, and we are on SegWit, then the fee would be a lot less than 5 USD for sure.
hero member
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It is evolving. Keep in mind btc price is up a ton. At 1600 to 1800 usd per btc the fee is going to cost more usd. If the btc price was 10000 right now the fee would be like5 or 6 usd.

Need segwit to bring prices down overall.
hero member
Activity: 2702
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Bitcoin is GOD
I do not like it myself either.

Everyone is just happy that the price is going up meanwhile we can not use Bitcoin for anything except holding  Roll Eyes

Guess we gotta wait till the price goes down to use bitcoin properly again.
Sorry, but bitcoin is never going to go down to really low values ever again, at some point it is going to lose some value but not that much, so you will need to find a way to make things work with bitcoin or use another crypto currency to do those small transactions.
sr. member
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You are wrong because fees are still $0.4-$0.5

and if you ended up paying anything more than that, it means your transaction had a lot of outputs to spend and that is what caused your transaction size to grow 2 or 3 times in size compared to a normal 220 byte transaction and you as a result ended up paying 2 or 3 times more fee than normal fee.

I am not saying fees have not gone up. I am more pissed off about higher fees as the next guy but it is not $1.

http://coincap.io/

Average Fee
$1.61


https://btc.com/stats/unconfirmed-tx

The current best transaction fees 199 Satoshis/byte | 0.00199 BTC/KB

0.00199 = 3.19 USD


https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

Which fee should I use?

The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 200 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.
For the median transaction size of 226 bytes, this results in a fee of 45,200 satoshis (0.75 USD).


Where did you get the "because fees are still $0.4-$0.5"?

I got a transaction fee of $3.26 a few days ago. But it has a lot of outputs.
I want to send $7.56 in bitcoin but with this fee i don't send bitcoin.
full member
Activity: 167
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$0.85 transaction fee is just a small fee because if you compare it to the banks or any remittances you can get a minimum of around $1-5 fee for every transaction (based in the rate of the remittances here). When i do transactions in blockchain, it charges me for the lowest of $0.42 and the maximum fee that i put is around $1, it is okay for me because higher fees means faster confirmation.

not true that banks charge you more, i don't pay anything with my bank for any kind of movements, desposit withdrawal from atm or transfer of any kind, the only time i need to pay is to send money abroad

on abroad transaction bitcoin is very good compared to any bank, in fact they usually charge 25 euro or more for a transfer, with bitcoin you are there wiht 3 euro at worst

WIth a US bank, you can use cash, check to pay someone without incurring any fees. If you use a debit card, you pay 21 cents in fees. A federal law limits debit card fees to 21 cents in the U.S.

That is the closest comparable to bitcoin in the U.S. because credit card fees are due to the fact that credit card spending is a loan. When you buy something with a credit card, you are spending money you don't have. At the end of the month, you have the option to pay or to roll the balance to the next month. If you pay the credit card off every month, you have no fees. The vendor getting your money does pay a fee, you just don't see it. Since things are generally priced the same whether you pay by cash, check, debit card or credit card, as a consumer it is usually best to buy with a credit card because you can dispute the transaction easily if there is a problem. And you can get cash back rewards with a lot of cards, making using a credit card the cheapest option to purchase something.

Buying something with a credit card that has a cash back option is by far the cheapest option for consumers buying online. The transaction cost is negative for the consumer.

Transferring money internationally by wire can be expensive.I only use wire transfers for amounts above $50,000 because the fee can be $30 or so. When I transfer money internationally, I usually use Transferwise. It has a flat $3 fee for transfer under $300. That includes the conversion into the receiving parties local currency with the rate locked for 24 hours at the mid market day rate. So, you aren't just getting the transfer, the receiver is getting local currency. To transfer bitcoin using local currency, you'd need to buy buycoin and the receiver would need to sell bitcoin. Both sides incur an exchange fee and the transfer fee is on top of that.

Bitcoin is good for illegal transactions like the current ransomware attack. The illegal transaction market is a decent sized market and people don't care about fees very much.

Some proponents say "look at Venezuela" and talk about currency inflation as a reason bitcoin will eventually become popular as a currency. People don't use currency as a store of value. How many people own paper dollars as an investment? None. People own assets, the dollar is a means of exchange. It is what things are priced in. When the "value of the dollar" goes down, it means other asset prices have gone up compared to the dollar. Venezuela is not having issues because the value of the Bolivar is going to hell. The value of the Bolivar is going to hell because the country has fallen apart and all assets in Venezuela, including the Bolivar, are becoming worthless as a result.

The best proxy for bitcoin is public stock in a company that has no income, no assets and that pays no dividends. It is not a currency, it is an asset that can be bought or sold, only to someone else. Like a stock, you can transfer the stock to someone else through a broker (miner) and you will incur a transaction fee to do so.

I am not saying this is a good or bad thing or what it means for the future.
full member
Activity: 125
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I do not like it myself either.

Everyone is just happy that the price is going up meanwhile we can not use Bitcoin for anything except holding  Roll Eyes

Guess we gotta wait till the price goes down to use bitcoin properly again.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Obviously sometime there are also hidden fees in the transactions but this fee is really ridiculous it almost cost 1dollar at all we don't expect this even the bitcoin price is going up fast not really this is not a fair transaction for us at all.
hero member
Activity: 2702
Merit: 704
Bitcoin is GOD
If it costs you about $0.60 to send $170,000.00 to someone else, or anyone else, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. The problem is that it could cost you that same $0.60 to send $6 to someone too.

That's both the strength and weakness of bitcoin.
I agree with you dabs. But it is totally ridiculous when I send $2 with $2 fee since there are many spamming transaaction in the blockchain system. That is why they call bitcoin is gold. Gold can only use for saving and investing purposes

I think this is a fair comparison, gold is so valuable that you cannot expect to buy bubble gum with it, it is simply not practical to try to do so, bitcoin with its high price does not seem to be able to manage to do that either so for those small transaction we will need something like litecoin.
hero member
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We are always putting around twice the recommended advanced fee for our Bitcoin transactions to be going through in a decent time frame. Our largest transaction fee was around 1.6 USD so far made two days ago. It has become the second 'PAYPAL' now to move around Bitcoin.  Sad It looks like the mining pools now control Bitcoin and have the upper hand in everything.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Basically these high fees should never happen in the first place - Maybe in the distant future, but not now. It's just a sign that Bitcoin's development has stalled.
As much as I dislike Etherium (being centrally controlled and hard-forking whenever the rich creator wants), it does have benefits: the foundation behind it has funds and power to ensure the network works well.

In Bitcoin, miners earn millions of dollars per day, while there is no (or barely any) funding for development.
But that's not even the main problem, increasing block size doesn't take much development. The main problem is the power-games between people who have huge financial interests, instead of caring about Bitcoin's long term future and usability.

I own a micro cache website.

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I pay ~2% on fees
The people receiving this $7k in small transactions will have to pay 5 to 10 times more in fees to use it. That brings the total fees on about $1k to spend $7k.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
If it costs you about $0.60 to send $170,000.00 to someone else, or anyone else, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. The problem is that it could cost you that same $0.60 to send $6 to someone too.

That's both the strength and weakness of bitcoin.

there should be a easily way to fix that, if perhpas they can add side priority to less valuable transaction, this would work not only based on size but ont he value that the transaction carry

the problem is that the fee right now is a fixed amount, this is where everything is wrong, should be done in a way that the fee is based on % of what you are sending and again not only on the size
hero member
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I came a long time ago that the high price of bitcoin is not matching its popularity.

The speculation money is the signs of the times. And the speculation can screw every economic incentive. Now the price of the bitcoin makes the fixed rates of fees awesome tool for rich people, but its making the poorer people disinterested in bitcoin.

I know that people thats not that well of will still be intersted in bitcoin transactions. Im just speaking about the world we living. There is too much junk money that break things instead of fixing them or give them value.
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