Topic: 100% Bitcoin will be denied (Read 5705 times)

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I'm no conspiracy buff, but isn't there something interesting with the BrainMind Study proposal as well?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/04/02/brain-initiative-challenges-researchers-unlock-mysteries-human-mind
Perhaps sometimes the medium is the massage after all?

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As long as they can get their cut, it should all work out. Somehow.

QFT

Government = RIAA
Bitcoin = Thepiratebay/BitTorrent


That's pretty much how it'll play out.

So you're suggesting that they wait until it has substantial adoption and general acceptability in the US and then they ban it? Yeah, that won't stir up a pot of any kind.

I notice a lot of people have this misconception that because the government can't control Bitcoin, it can't tax us and therefore we will no longer have roads, water, food, medicine, safety, or whatever other social goods they believe can somehow only possibly be provided through coercion.

Let's assume for a moment that every single person has converted to Bitcoins. And let's assume that it's completely impossible to tax people's Bitcoin transactions or confiscate people's Bitcoin wealth.

Okay, so the government will instead tax:  oil, gas, land, imports, exports, copper mining, silver mining, retail purchases at big retailers like WalMart and Amazon, etc etc etc. Amazon still has warehouses full of products, which men with guns can confiscate or lock down in the event that Amazon doesn't pay their tax. FedEx and UPS still have a fleet of vehicles that can be frozen with guns if "shipping tax" isn't paid. Electricity can still be taxed. Etc.

So we may very well be approaching the day that people's individual savings cannot be confiscated (directly or through inflation), nor can their individual revenues be taxed. And that's a very good thing. But that doesn't mean taxes are impossible -- it only means taxes will have to become (slightly) more moral. There are still many physical bottlenecks where taxes can and will be collected.

So for those of you who honestly believe a government monopoly on violence is a "necessary evil" -- who believe coercion must be employed against innocent people for us to have "the roads" -- who believe that having the IRS pick on helpless old widows is the only thing preventing modern society from slipping back into the stone ages: Don't worry, slave, taxation in general will not cease just because individuals have obtained a bit more power over their own personal finances. Your State will continue providing roads and shitty schools.

It's amazing to me how people get deceived in such a statist mindset. If you were to topple the North Korean government, perhaps the people there would ask, "But who will provide tree bark for us to eat, and pots and pans with which to cook our own children?"

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P.S.:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Letter_Mail_Company

The American Letter Mail Company was started by Lysander Spooner in 1844, competing with the legal monopoly of the United States Post Office (USPO, now the USPS) in violation of the Private Express Statutes. It succeeded in delivering mail for lower prices, but the U.S. Government challenged Spooner with legal measures, eventually forcing him to cease operations in 1851.

The American Letter Mail Company was able to reduce the price of its stamps significantly and even offered free local delivery, significantly undercutting the 12-cent stamp being sold by the Post Office Department. The federal government treated this as a criminal act.

Although the business was forced by the U.S. Government to close shop after only a few years, it succeeded in temporarily driving down the cost of government-delivered mail.

Well said.  Thanks to Bitcoin, the next revolution isn't going to require the use of force.

All this talk about "Fair Tax" when the American people themselves are not appalled at the simple fact they have formed themselves into a voting block to pass all their debt onto future generations who, of course, don't vote.

This country's motto during the Revolution was "No Taxation Without Representation!". Few of the politicians today represent anyone other than private interest groups yet alone the unborn who can't kick them out of office because ummmm, well, they aren't born yet :-).

The American people have stood idly by while THEIR representatives upped the debt ceiling every year for the last 60 years and passed it on to the children.

Bitcoin will be the currency of the next generation which have every right, in my opinion, to simply refuse to pay the tax bill for that which they were charged when they were minors. You couldn't legally hold a minor to a contract for a magazine subscription so where is the moral ground for taxing them for something they didn't have representation for?

If the US Government is actually concerned about their "national security" and they realize that Bitcoin can't be stopped, then trying to exclude US miners from mining will only hurt themselves as China & Russia will gobble up most of the coins.

If they were smart, miners would be protected.  Subsidized even.

Dear desired_username,

We've been talking about this transparency thing and heck, i suppose you deserve it.  Besides, our obfuscation campaign is getting frayed around the edges, and intrepid fellows like yourself have already poked it full of holes. 
I guess i might as well come out and say it:  You, citizens, are being raised as feed and chew toys.  For our statist lap poodle, Fifi.
Missis Obama, softhearted as she is, though it best for you not to know, so's you could frolic happily until your number came up (it's 1730867037422, desired_username, we're on 1730257033827, you got plenty of time), but heck, since you asked...
Yes, the chemtrails are real -- we're dispersing an average of 3.7 kilotonnes of MDMA-B into the atmosphere to make your life seem bearable and worth living.  You were right, the fiat currencies of the world are but another vector of distribution for that stuff -- that's why the rich are so darn happy. 
So now you know.

Love,
  The Government.

I can imagine a world where the main organization of people would be local (like a county now). The people could vote through the internet in matters concerning them (even the spending of their local organization).

That way, 100% transparency could be reached and the government would be obsolete. There wouldn't be politicians only experts and scientists and a nice protocol (of course bitcoin would be implemented ).

As I see the current system is inefficient, easily played and malicious on all levels. We need a shift in thinking as well not just a new currency.

OBAMA! GTFO OUR FORUM!

No amount of guns / soldiers will destroy Bitcoin (or any, for that matter) code.
Even in a completely totalitarian state, you still can't guarantee that there isn't a single copy of some code (or some writing/some data generally) in existence.

You can murder people, harass them, blackmail them, terrorize them - none of these things work. And it has been already tried many times thorough the history.

I hope this is the kind of answer you expected.

Don't forget:
3) The US government owns all the ISP data through its surveillance network and can match your ISP to your IP to your wallet trivially.

In other words:
1. Governments already arrest & abuse their citizenry without showing reasonable cause or bothering with convincing logic.
2. They might arrest dogs, by claiming they're suicide bombers.
3.  ? ? ?
4.  They must be running scared, we win!!1!

Lawd have mercy, what would those yeller-bellied bastard do if they weren't scared

Although those that fight always lose, the private central banks usually win them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4

Nobody wins wars.  The US has only created more enemies for themselves.

There is another way.  Take a look at http://www.fairtax.org/

You are sort of missing the big picture here.  Bitcoin is transformative in the realm of public works expenses.

Bitcoin would be MUCH better for taxes/community purchasing.  A community could very easily use highly granular micropayments for services used, and provide greater transparency for costs and payments for those.  
It could entirely obsolete the very stupid broad-brush taxation schemes currently used like VAT, Income tax, inheritance tax and the rest by making fee for service more pervasive.  These census based headcount taxations are thousands of years old and very obsolete with the diverse tapestry of humanity today.
It would also allow for better transparency into the government accounting if we forced non-anonymity on the government money uses and required our governments to use cryptocurrencies.

We are at the very early days yet, but the potentials are truly amazing.