Added back Estimated Reward to My Account/API. It is now calculated as follows:
Your Speed / Pool Speed * 50 BTC = Estimated Reward (per round).
Also fixed a bug in the miner idle emails (was using an old enable/disable setting so new users weren't receiving emails). Backlog was cleared, so going forward idle emails will fire off on idle workers.
Topic: [~1000 GH/sec] BTC Guild - 0% Fee Pool, LP, SSL, Full Precision, and More - page 44. (Read 379078 times)
July 17, 2011, 12:51:33 AM
July 16, 2011, 11:55:29 PM
Miner Idle emails are back and functioning. Settings are visible if you're set to 2% or higher.
July 16, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
Any peons mining in the pool with less than 15Ghash/s should not be so quick in playing the "whining" card when all that was asked is information to make decisions. Transparency is one of the things this pool boasted about and one of the main selling points of it. I shouldn't have to interrogate and/or play the part of idiot like I just did in my recent posts to socially engineer information out of the pool owner. I already knew the answers to what I asked, I just wanted to get it out of him so it could be on record.
P.S: The donations per round my group brought in (who by the way never pool hopped) were greater than what most of you earn in a round lol and they've lost far more to pool hoppers than any of you will ever earn but they still paid the 2.5% donation for the convenience to withdraw coin rewards instantly.
Oh, and for the ass kissers who say he's not in it for the profit...
Anyways, the people whose hardware I manage all decided to follow my recommendation and stopped their 2.5% donations (8 accounts X a little less than 2Ghash/s each) since continuing to donate that much without getting any real benefit is actually more costly than any damage pool hoppers will ever cause. They will still mine here to exploit the benefits of this pool to the fullest though. They are slightly annoyed that there is no real way to get instant payments of everything their miners earn anymore, specially now that they are in the process of dumping every coin they've made onto the market, but they can live with it.
I'm gonna let you cents per hour earners continue the bandwagon now.
P.S: The donations per round my group brought in (who by the way never pool hopped) were greater than what most of you earn in a round lol and they've lost far more to pool hoppers than any of you will ever earn but they still paid the 2.5% donation for the convenience to withdraw coin rewards instantly.
Oh, and for the ass kissers who say he's not in it for the profit...
Quote from: eleuthria
...Quite frankly I'd prefer if people donated 2% rather than 2.5%, because I make more profit out of those donators.
Yeah, let's donate 2% to get a broken non-working perk. He just finally got off his ass and fixed it after people kept asking for it. Anyways, the people whose hardware I manage all decided to follow my recommendation and stopped their 2.5% donations (8 accounts X a little less than 2Ghash/s each) since continuing to donate that much without getting any real benefit is actually more costly than any damage pool hoppers will ever cause. They will still mine here to exploit the benefits of this pool to the fullest though. They are slightly annoyed that there is no real way to get instant payments of everything their miners earn anymore, specially now that they are in the process of dumping every coin they've made onto the market, but they can live with it.
I'm gonna let you cents per hour earners continue the bandwagon now.
July 16, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
Having been a part of this pool since block #120, I can say that delayed stats in no way bother me whatsoever. As long as I can see when any of my miners goes offline, I really don't need to know stats for this round or how long this round is. I still mine, I still get paid. And waiting an hour to get every single last nanocoin that might be in my account doesn't bother me either. Much better than waiting 120 blocks. As stated above though, the main reason I give the full 2.5% is for the invalid insurance, and because the level of service here is awesome. Eleuthria is always on top things and does an excellent job, imho. It is why I joined in the first place and still remain here.
I agree. One hour is no big deal. Instant payouts are still almost instant. People should stop whining. July 16, 2011, 10:11:43 PM
Would you prefer I turn back time and hide the fact that its a 1 hour delay? If you were mining here continuously you would never know the delay existed in the first place.
What I prefer is irrelevant since I can't stop you from making any changes you wish to make. It's your pool after all. What I expected is transparency about the effect these recent changes had on the mining experience at BTC Guild. That way people can decide if this pool is a convenient place to mine.
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The point of 2.5% is invalid insurance. Quite frankly I'd prefer if people donated 2% rather than 2.5%, because I make more profit out of those donators.
I personally valued being able to have instant access to the rewards I've earned much higher than the invalid insurance. Over the long term invalids are not that significant specially since you do such a good job reducing the possibility of them happening. I've been mining here for a looong time, long before the pool even reached 4 digit blocks and always donated 2.5% since I can remember because it gave me instant access to my rewards. I no longer have that so that makes the decision for me about whether or not donating is worth it anymore. Ads and smileys can be easily blocked, thanks for disclosing the information when I asked about it though.
July 16, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
Having been a part of this pool since block #120, I can say that delayed stats in no way bother me whatsoever. As long as I can see when any of my miners goes offline, I really don't need to know stats for this round or how long this round is. I still mine, I still get paid. And waiting an hour to get every single last nanocoin that might be in my account doesn't bother me either. Much better than waiting 120 blocks. As stated above though, the main reason I give the full 2.5% is for the invalid insurance, and because the level of service here is awesome. Eleuthria is always on top things and does an excellent job, imho. It is why I joined in the first place and still remain here.
July 16, 2011, 09:56:57 PM
I applaud the delay to stop pool hoppers. From what I see you have only lost 14 Ghash/s so far. Seems like a lot of bitching going on because people don't like change.
It is not a problem getting delayed stats. You still can donate 2.5% and get paid for invalid blocks and do instant payouts.
2.5% is still less than Deepbit's 3% and the delayed stats there are not hurting their volume of workers/miners at all.
Eleuthria it was the correct call to make and I believe the pool will be the better for it.
BTW I'm in the process of switching over to Linuxcoin/Smartcoin and will be putting all my workers back to BTC Guild soon (with failover to Deepbit). I only diverted them to make sure uswest was stable before coming back.
It is not a problem getting delayed stats. You still can donate 2.5% and get paid for invalid blocks and do instant payouts.
2.5% is still less than Deepbit's 3% and the delayed stats there are not hurting their volume of workers/miners at all.
Eleuthria it was the correct call to make and I believe the pool will be the better for it.
BTW I'm in the process of switching over to Linuxcoin/Smartcoin and will be putting all my workers back to BTC Guild soon (with failover to Deepbit). I only diverted them to make sure uswest was stable before coming back.
July 16, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
As much as the pool hopping subject is oh-so-interesting, i'm more worried with the foobared login.
(password reset using username)
(email received)
(new password entered)
(seems to log in correctly)
Then, any link clicked reverts to the beginning.
A really "noobishly done" feeling around all this, tbh.
Code:
The username/password combination you specified was invalid.
Your IP address has failed to log in too many times. You must now wait 1156 seconds since your last failed attempt.
(password reset using username)
(email received)
(new password entered)
(seems to log in correctly)
Then, any link clicked reverts to the beginning.
A really "noobishly done" feeling around all this, tbh.
Sounds like you're trying to log in through a TOR node where somebody has been trying to brute force passwords.
July 16, 2011, 09:20:19 PM
Would you prefer I turn back time and hide the fact that its a 1 hour delay? If you were mining here continuously you would never know the delay existed in the first place.
Really? Like when a miner dies and the number keeps going up? Or when all miners are restarted after an outage and the number is stagnant? 
July 16, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
As much as the pool hopping subject is oh-so-interesting, i'm more worried with the foobared login.
(password reset using username)
(email received)
(new password entered)
(seems to log in correctly)
Then, any link clicked reverts to the beginning.
A really "noobishly done" feeling around all this, tbh.
Code:
The username/password combination you specified was invalid.
Your IP address has failed to log in too many times. You must now wait 1156 seconds since your last failed attempt.
(password reset using username)
(email received)
(new password entered)
(seems to log in correctly)
Then, any link clicked reverts to the beginning.
A really "noobishly done" feeling around all this, tbh.
July 16, 2011, 09:15:08 PM
You can still get payouts before 120 confirmations, and on invalid blocks.
I would expect no less since that's the perk I've been paying for.Quote
The only delay is that you won't know you have any rewards (and therefor be unable to request them) until 1 hour after a block solves.
This is exactly what I was trying to get at. I wasn't paying 2.5% to see some numbers on a page, I was paying to be able to instantly request those rewards. By preventing me access to the rewards I've earned 'til after one hour what incentive is there for me to keep donating?ZING!
July 16, 2011, 09:14:29 PM
You can still get payouts before 120 confirmations, and on invalid blocks.
I would expect no less since that's the perk I've been paying for.Quote
The only delay is that you won't know you have any rewards (and therefor be unable to request them) until 1 hour after a block solves.
This is exactly what I was trying to get at. I wasn't paying 2.5% to see some numbers on a page, I was paying to be able to instantly request those rewards. By preventing me access to the rewards I've earned 'til after one hour what incentive is there for me to keep donating?Would you prefer I turn back time and hide the fact that its a 1 hour delay? If you were mining here continuously you would never know the delay existed in the first place.
The point of 2.5% is invalid insurance. Quite frankly I'd prefer if people donated 2% rather than 2.5%, because I make more profit out of those donators.
July 16, 2011, 09:13:51 PM
If anything those who are "butt hurt" are the ones who applaud this move by Urethra. I'm not a "pool hopper" but sure enough because I don't agree with this move I'll be called one. I liked having real time stats as it was easy for me to see the progress. Now thats an impossibility. IDK how this could be seen as a good thing? Not even close to the noble move of restricting the bots. I'm sure my 1GH/s won't be missed in the grand scheme of things but me moving to another pool is my only way of protest. Enjoy your lagging stats.
July 16, 2011, 09:10:29 PM
You can still get payouts before 120 confirmations, and on invalid blocks.
I would expect no less since that's the perk I've been paying for.Quote
The only delay is that you won't know you have any rewards (and therefor be unable to request them) until 1 hour after a block solves.
This is exactly what I was trying to get at. I wasn't paying 2.5% to see some numbers on a page, I was paying to be able to instantly request those rewards. By preventing me access to the rewards I've earned 'til after one hour what incentive is there for me to keep donating? July 16, 2011, 09:03:46 PM
What happened to estimated reward?
I'd like an answer for this as well.Since the last hour is being hidden, it probably won't mean anything anymore.
I will be adding back an estimated reward field, which will be measured by calculating your speed in comparison to overall pool speed. Assuming 100% participation in the round, this will give you an accurate representation of your estimated rewards.
July 16, 2011, 09:02:55 PM
Sorry for being late to the party but does that mean that my 2.5% donation no longer gets me instant payouts?
You can still get payouts before 120 confirmations, and on invalid blocks. The only delay is that you won't know you have any rewards (and therefor be unable to request them) until 1 hour after a block solves.
July 16, 2011, 09:02:45 PM
latest from the link that member posted above: (http://fasthoop.appspot.com/ )
"Fast Hoopper
Generated 120 sec ago
Last found block (seconds ago, realtime): {'arsbitcoin': 23406, 'btcmine': 66346, 'bitcoinpool': 59088, 'slush': 2813, 'mtred': 17511, 'eclipsemc': 116890, 'mineco.in': 47753, 'eligius': 38685, 'bitpit': 1998, 'ozco.in': 49544, 'bitclockers': 5128, 'bitcoins.lc': 4015}
Shares (at the generation): {'btcmine': 394891, 'slush': 1433643, 'mtred': 1242369, 'eclipsemc': 1428817, 'mineco.in': 1761948, 'eligius': 3536127, 'bitpit': 48761, 'ozco.in': 980899, 'bitclockers': 302993, 'bitcoins.lc': 462585}
Best pool: Guessing bitcoins.lc
Donation: 16k9f8MvxLBJGaiew26thoboWRBtLRa5ij
Note: Hopping resistent(score / SMPPS / PPLNS etc.) pools will not be recommended. LP is now enabled.
Currently the cache holds data for 5 minutes.
Update: deepbit support is only provided to donators. PM techwtf at forum.bitcoin.org for more details. The data may not accurate if pool is DDOSed.
Latest update: btcguild disabled api access to shares"
"Fast Hoopper
Generated 120 sec ago
Last found block (seconds ago, realtime): {'arsbitcoin': 23406, 'btcmine': 66346, 'bitcoinpool': 59088, 'slush': 2813, 'mtred': 17511, 'eclipsemc': 116890, 'mineco.in': 47753, 'eligius': 38685, 'bitpit': 1998, 'ozco.in': 49544, 'bitclockers': 5128, 'bitcoins.lc': 4015}
Shares (at the generation): {'btcmine': 394891, 'slush': 1433643, 'mtred': 1242369, 'eclipsemc': 1428817, 'mineco.in': 1761948, 'eligius': 3536127, 'bitpit': 48761, 'ozco.in': 980899, 'bitclockers': 302993, 'bitcoins.lc': 462585}
Best pool: Guessing bitcoins.lc
Donation: 16k9f8MvxLBJGaiew26thoboWRBtLRa5ij
Note: Hopping resistent(score / SMPPS / PPLNS etc.) pools will not be recommended. LP is now enabled.
Currently the cache holds data for 5 minutes.
Update: deepbit support is only provided to donators. PM techwtf at forum.bitcoin.org for more details. The data may not accurate if pool is DDOSed.
Latest update: btcguild disabled api access to shares"
I though BTCMine was score based?
July 16, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
Stats delay to give middle finger to pool hoppers:
July 16, 2011, 09:01:41 PM
The math does not convince me on either side of the pool-hopping arguments. BOTH sides ignore the stochasticity inherent in the block-finding behaviors. (!!!)
In my post a few pages back, I put up my math showing how pool hoppers don't impact the BTC/minute for a round in any of 3 scenarios: Pool hoppers there the whole round, part of a round, or not at all. My math was wrong because it was looking at a single round worth of information. If you look back at the post, and COMBINE the two rounds you will get the following:
In scenario 1 (with hoppers) "rest of the pool" will get
45 + 48.34 = 93.34 BTC
in 5 + 32.22 = 37.22 min,
resulting in 2.51 BTC/min
In scenario 2 (without hoppers) "rest of the pool" will get
50 + 50 = 100 BTC
in 5.55 + 33.33 = 38.88 min,
resulting in 2.57 BTC/min
These were using fairly simplified numbers, and assuming hoppers were only 100 GH/s rather than 200+ which I now know they were. In those scenarios (a 500k and a 3m round), the net effect was 0.06 BTC/minute drop if hoppers were part of the pool during the start of rounds, or 2.3%. Now my math used was very simple, but the theory holds true for actual pool hopping.
July 16, 2011, 09:01:05 PM
Sorry for being late to the party but does that mean that my 2.5% donation no longer gets me instant payouts?
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