Topic: [~1000 GH/sec] BTC Guild - 0% Fee Pool, LP, SSL, Full Precision, and More - page 46. (Read 379078 times)

Worker stats reset share/stales functionality has been restored.  Next up:  Last share time for previous rounds.

It sounds like the pool hoppers are butt hurt.

There are other pools out there if you don't like it. I applaud the change personally,  and my measly 3.5 GHash/sec will be back after this weekend (which I said I would put towards simplecoin.us).

hmm - jeez i think my earnings after expenses aren't that great either. keeping track of pool's up and downs is certainly one of my expenses (as is true for most people here)

so folks - who here is in favor of restored stats for donators?

wait a minute -- where are those donations going to?

 

If 580 BTC over the course of two months and a week is nice coin, then yes.  As of right now my earnings after expenses are significantly less than minimum wage, but the consolidation of servers into significantly more powerful loadbalanced multi-servers will hopefully at least make it worth my time.

For those bad with math:  679 in donations + 187 in transaction fees - 283 paid on invalids.  Doesn't include the fact that I've been paying transaction fees for member payouts since the DDoS to help payouts go faster while we recover from the downtime.

uh - I thnk that was tongue in cheek, man.

Pool hopping is not a *problem*. It is a condition of the system. If you absolutely insist on your current compensation method, that is how it works. You are dealing with other people's processing power, and it is up to them to use as they see fit. I don't see a problem with your compensation method, and I don't see a problem with pool hopping. I can see how people with small dicks want their 0.0001 BTC on the BTC back, but it's really inconsequential. Transparency is more important, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, right?

I don't pool hop, but I do use the API to tell me whether or not it is even worth it for my few miners dedicated to mining *solely* with BTC Guild to bother. I don't like monitoring this shit or threads with kiddies bitching about pool hoppers "stealing" their money. I write programs for that. You probably took a good thing and made it worse, so maybe I'll write new programs or just purely solo mine and make the same amount. I don't even donate, but I planned to at some point. If the pool is even up, if the API even works, and if BTC Guild even is what it used to be, maybe I will soon reach that point. The sky is falling! Not really, but WTF? "Legit" users can pool hop. In fact, it's in everyone's interest that everyone pool hop. If the "vulnerability" is essentially written into the system, you would be a moron, or too lazy, to *not* pool hop. If everyone did it, there would be no benefit. Those who don't will complain all of the way to the proverbial grave. Here's some kleenex, pussies.

Now, maybe eleuthria can make more changes and fuck up the pool a little more and everyone will be happy.

Thousands? He was working 40 hours/week for a year on this?

Well, Tycho also gives advice that (in theory) will reduce his income. That's part of the "civic" aspect of being the dude at the top of the #1 or #2 pool. You know better than anyone of us how many thousands of hours you have worked to get this pool up, right? Aren't you making out with some nice coin, Eleuthria?

UH -YO. Eleuthria.

BUMP.

I have made clear 4 times that my own personal machines have remained pointed at the pool.

Also, that in talking the last two hours with data center people around me who are mining, there was quite a bit of confusion about your new moves.

And finally, an anecdotal relation about the fact that I don't think it makes much difference that you have delayed your stats, for the relatively small group of sysadmins who are directing most of the so-called "hopping." I happen to be acquainted with someone who I think may be one of those.. and he sees things a bit differently, as he is playing on a quantitatively bigger field than most of us are. By the block stats, my own machines put me in the 500s...the people in the top 100 may have a different outlook, you think?

Lets see, two days ago:

"I'd join BTC Guild but pool hopping will hurt my return"
"I left BTC Guild because pool hoppers are walking off with rewards that I should have earned."
-Debate ensues, eventually someone sends me a complete breakdown of exactly what pool hopping can do for their return and shows how it HURTS LEGIT MEMBERS-

Now: 1 hour delay added
"Pool hopping is just a myth!"
"OMG WTF YOU'RE HIDING OUR STATS FOR AN HOUR I'M LEAVING"


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

For those leaving, think about this one simple fact:  Legit users returns ARE reduced by pool hoppers.  MY RETURNS are increased because of the speed fluctuations pool hoppers bring at the start of each round.  I just reduced my income to help legit users.

There's probably also one for BTC Guild's.

Yeah, my friend on the 24th floor with the 44 Gh/s alerted me to that a minute ago. He apparently has already compensated for Eleuthria's changes by trapping the share submissions of everyone who is mining on his network and doing some deep major magic-fu that way over my head. Sh*t.

Eleuthria, I don't think your stat delay is going to make much difference to the real "pool-hoppers." I will keep my lowly personal 1.2 GH/s pointed at you merely out of loyalty and a hope that pool members continue to debate this here.

I will ask the bigger fish that are around me if they would provide some of their "stat delay compensation" code for me to post here. (doubt it, but worth a try).

I am not yet convinced by the math arguments on either side. Right now, I'm depressed.

yes, someone in my bldg just PM'd me and they have 7 Gh/s -- they put on BTCGuild. Oh wait -- there's another one - that must be the Russian on the 24th floor -- he has 3 cabinets of servers with Firestream cards used to demo for the AMD Developer conference most recently. He is outside my "group" -- but has probl. 42-44 GH/s. I know that he is a "BTCGuild" primary for sure, but he also "optimizes" (his euphemism). I know that I am probably responsible for convincing him to come back to BTCGuild after the DDos most recent.

I see your changes, Eleuthria.
I have also done a scan through the arguments by pool members on forum.bitcoin.org/--> I can see the earnestness of the debate and its validity.
e.g.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=7760.msg363429;topicseen#msg363429 etc. etc

Well, it sure is interesting that you have 205 Gh/s higher right now...

That 200 GH/sec is likely all the pool hoppers thinking you found a block as your API reports that condition. So by your data hoppers account for about 8% of your pools peek hash rate. Report a round with a few hours and 1563027+ shares and those 200 GH/sec will prob disappear. I am not convinced that stat delay will solve the issue as there is already a published method to deal with deepbit's delay.

So there's at least 200ghash/s worth of pool hopping power right now. Interesting!

When I first implemented the stat delay, I immediatley changed the pool stats API to show the current round at 1 second with 100 shares.  Within 15 minutes the pool speed increased over 200 GH/sec.  We are still higher now than before I put in that delay.

Reset stats are almost fully restored (just adding the reset buttons now).  That will let you monitor miner performance when testing new configurations.  Last share times are also about to be restored, which will be almost immediately followed by miner idle settings being visible again.

Sounds good to me, when you donate 2.5% you may pool hop

How exactly does it negatively impact me if others pool-hop, and how does that impact compare with not knowing how my miners are doing in your pool? (looking at one of my miners right now, and it sure likes a bunch of new work was pushed a couple of minutes ago, but no update in "confirmed rewards")
Now we can't have an estimate of how many shares we are contributing?
Eleuthria, some of that drop in your hashrate is due to people who prefer BTCguild pointing their clusters away from you.
My three machines in my office (all that be thermodynamically sustained with the cooling I have available) are pointed at BTCGuild -- BUT...
I work in a data-center rich envr. and I know for a fact that in this building, there are at least 14 other miners, most with 2-5 GH/s on site...we just talked in the elevator about you, since most of us have preferred your pool for QUITE a while.
I know that you work, work, work...that's why I tell everyone in my mining group to DONATE, DONATE...

Thank you, eleuthria!

Unconfirmed/Confirmed rewards do not increase until 1 hour after the block was found.  For 2.5% donators, the 1 hour delay means your rewards don't go up until after that hour has passed.  Otherwise its trivial to track when a new round starts.

The unconfirmed rewards will reach confirmed status in the exact same amount of time.  The delay is on publishing a new block's stats, not updating confirmations on blocks that have already been published.