[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 100.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on February 11, 2016, 10:28:20 AM

I ran a year-long test comparing NastyPoP to standard p2pool payouts. I had 2 identical S3s mining - one configured to get standard p2pool payouts, the other configured for NastyPoP. At the end of the year, the data shows that the S3 getting standard p2pool payments made 96.99% of expectations. The S3 on NastyPoP made 91.04%.

I calculated expected earnings by figuring out how much 440GH/s should have made using the following formula:

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reward / (2^256 / (((2^224 - 2^208) / difficulty) * hash rate))

All data is available in an Excel spreadsheet for examination here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv7r7ejq2pquynl/pop_vs_p2p.xlsx?dl=0

Let's not forget the potential to merge mine 14 other coins on top of Bitcoin with p2pool (I'm currently only mining 11 though), with more on their way. It all adds up.

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I ran a year-long test comparing NastyPoP to standard p2pool payouts. I had 2 identical S3s mining - one configured to get standard p2pool payouts, the other configured for NastyPoP. At the end of the year, the data shows that the S3 getting standard p2pool payments made 96.99% of expectations. The S3 on NastyPoP made 91.04%.

I calculated expected earnings by figuring out how much 440GH/s should have made using the following formula:

Code:

reward / (2^256 / (((2^224 - 2^208) / difficulty) * hash rate))

All data is available in an Excel spreadsheet for examination here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv7r7ejq2pquynl/pop_vs_p2p.xlsx?dl=0

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Quote from: K1773R on February 11, 2016, 05:16:14 AM

Quote from: kano on February 11, 2016, 04:58:48 AM

OK no answer?

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Well the problem with expected earnings on P2Pool is that it's lower than other pools.

P2Pool has 10x the work changes of a standard bitcoin pool, so that means 10x the number of stales.
That then leads directly to under stating the number of accepted shares on p2ool vs a normal pool.

Simple explanation:
If someone has 1THs and they get 0.3% stales on a normal pool, they will see 0.997THs of accepted shares on the pool.
If the same miner is pointed at p2pool and getting 10x the stales dues to 10x the work changes, they will see 0.97THs of accepted shares on the pool.
i.e. a lower expected number of shares.

As soon as you convert that to expected earnings, you are saying the p2pool expected earning is lower than a normal pool expected earning due to the lower number of shares.

To compare it correctly:
P2Pool: 97.9% of 0.97THs = 0.94963THs
Normal (PPS) Pool with ridiculous high 3% fee 97% of 0.997THs = 0.96709THs

Normal (PPS) Pool with 3% fee pays more than P2Pool with 97.9% PPS

you forgot that stales can find blocks. if the stalerate would be even across all p2pool miners, then they wouldnt matter.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

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Quote from: kano on February 11, 2016, 04:58:48 AM

OK no answer?

...

Well the problem with expected earnings on P2Pool is that it's lower than other pools.

P2Pool has 10x the work changes of a standard bitcoin pool, so that means 10x the number of stales.
That then leads directly to under stating the number of accepted shares on p2ool vs a normal pool.

Simple explanation:
If someone has 1THs and they get 0.3% stales on a normal pool, they will see 0.997THs of accepted shares on the pool.
If the same miner is pointed at p2pool and getting 10x the stales dues to 10x the work changes, they will see 0.97THs of accepted shares on the pool.
i.e. a lower expected number of shares.

As soon as you convert that to expected earnings, you are saying the p2pool expected earning is lower than a normal pool expected earning due to the lower number of shares.

To compare it correctly:
P2Pool: 97.9% of 0.97THs = 0.94963THs
Normal (PPS) Pool with ridiculous high 3% fee 97% of 0.997THs = 0.96709THs

Normal (PPS) Pool with 3% fee pays more than P2Pool with 97.9% PPS

you forgot that stales can find blocks. if the stalerate would be even across all p2pool miners, then they wouldnt matter.

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If your dog is foaming at the mouth due to impatience and possibly a bad case of rabies you can always mod p2pool as a stratum server to solo mine your favorite low difficulty alt-coin.

Raven has a fork with a whole bunch of alts already loaded available on github.

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OK no answer?

...

Well the problem with expected earnings on P2Pool is that it's lower than other pools.

P2Pool has 10x the work changes of a standard bitcoin pool, so that means 10x the number of stales.
That then leads directly to under stating the number of accepted shares on p2ool vs a normal pool.

Simple explanation:
If someone has 1THs and they get 0.3% stales on a normal pool, they will see 0.997THs of accepted shares on the pool.
If the same miner is pointed at p2pool and getting 10x the stales dues to 10x the work changes, they will see 0.97THs of accepted shares on the pool.
i.e. a lower expected number of shares.

As soon as you convert that to expected earnings, you are saying the p2pool expected earning is lower than a normal pool expected earning due to the lower number of shares.

To compare it correctly:
P2Pool: 97.9% of 0.97THs = 0.94963THs
Normal (PPS) Pool with ridiculous high 3% fee 97% of 0.997THs = 0.96709THs

Normal (PPS) Pool with 3% fee pays more than P2Pool with 97.9% PPS

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 10, 2016, 09:27:07 PM

Quote from: dog1965 on February 10, 2016, 08:55:10 PM

put up your stats show me what you made.

OK.

https://nastyfans.org/nastypop/rates.html

NastyPoP has paid out 97.9% of expected earnings with 0% fees since inception.

Nicehash charges a 3% fee, so you are expected to only receive 97% of expected earnings.

P2pool via NastyPool = 97.9% > Nicehash = 97%

Um - how did you calculate expected earnings on p2pool/nastypop?

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Quote from: dog1965 on February 10, 2016, 08:55:10 PM

put up your stats show me what you made.

OK.

https://nastyfans.org/nastypop/rates.html

NastyPoP has paid out 97.9% of expected earnings with 0% fees since inception.

Nicehash charges a 3% fee, so you are expected to only receive 97% of expected earnings.

P2pool via NastyPool = 97.9% > Nicehash = 97%

MOD EDIT: Troll component removed

OgNasty EDIT: My response to kano has been removed by a mod. I have posted my data, maybe kano will post some actual data to back up his stance as opposed to making assumptions.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 10, 2016, 01:03:08 PM

Quote from: dog1965 on February 10, 2016, 08:07:32 AM

exactly you HAD BUT YOU DONT ANYMORE. The profit train left the mining station a long time ago and so did P2POOL.

I guess you like your miners to become paper weights and wait 30 years to see any kind of income lol. Tongue

Bitcoin is crashing wake up smell the coffee take what you can get. once my miners become useless then I will mine on p2pool. Don't get me wrong I love the concept but its just dead. You really think you are going to hit a block you guys still have not since 2-01-2016 and with the DIFF going up more wake up !

p2pool is the same as solo mining. use nicehash.

It is rare to read so many incorrect statements strung together. I'm actually impressed.

with a feeble brain like yours I am not impressed just look at the stats in front of you moron.

9d 8h 24m 35s 2016-02-01 17:27:14 396172 00000000000000000925c05a8c0ab384fd53940659603df77f0a8a1438083673 25.00000000 212 38083673 51.39%

No block yet and I already made $70.00 bucks and nice hash so who is incorrect. 2-01-2016 lol lol lol lol. You have a better shot playing lotto then mining on p2pool lol lol lol put up your stats show me what you made.

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Quote from: Meuh6879 on February 10, 2016, 03:43:43 PM

Interesting ...

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img924/3866/gzDQLV.png

12 Has quite a lot of performance enhancements, and it's evident in GBT latency

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Interesting ...

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LOL!

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Quote from: dog1965 on February 10, 2016, 08:07:32 AM

exactly you HAD BUT YOU DONT ANYMORE. The profit train left the mining station a long time ago and so did P2POOL.

I guess you like your miners to become paper weights and wait 30 years to see any kind of income lol. Tongue

Bitcoin is crashing wake up smell the coffee take what you can get. once my miners become useless then I will mine on p2pool. Don't get me wrong I love the concept but its just dead. You really think you are going to hit a block you guys still have not since 2-01-2016 and with the DIFF going up more wake up !

p2pool is the same as solo mining. use nicehash.

It is rare to read so many incorrect statements strung together. I'm actually impressed.

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Quote from: dog1965 on February 10, 2016, 08:07:32 AM

use nicehash.

bye

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Quote from: wariner on February 10, 2016, 12:50:39 AM

looks the statistics http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php

we had 1700% and 4900% of luck...and sure also 20% of bad luck...in all pools with low hash can happen...but I do not understand why you come here to advise people to use "chinese pool"?...

or maybe the answer is this:

Quote from: dog1965 on February 08, 2016, 01:18:39 PM

I know its a noob question but I am new at it.

exactly you HAD BUT YOU DONT ANYMORE. The profit train left the mining station a long time ago and so did P2POOL.

I guess you like your miners to become paper weights and wait 30 years to see any kind of income lol. Tongue

Bitcoin is crashing wake up smell the coffee take what you can get. once my miners become useless then I will mine on p2pool. Don't get me wrong I love the concept but its just dead. You really think you are going to hit a block you guys still have not since 2-01-2016 and with the DIFF going up more wake up !

p2pool is the same as solo mining. use nicehash.

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Quote from: dog1965 on February 08, 2016, 01:18:39 PM

I know its a noob question but I am new at it.

Trying to compare p2pool with any other pool after only 8 days is pointless & will only give you inaccurate & misleading information, hence your apparent confusion. In order to truly compare you should mine for a much longer period, then you will see the difference. P2pool is for people who understand & care about the future of Bitcoin & a decentralised network, so coming to this thread & telling miners to move to a different pool simply because you are impatient & don't understand the workings of p2pool won't work, you'd be better off spendinding your time reading up on the basics & digesting the facts.

If all you are after is a quick profit, quit mining & start buying/selling. The profit train left the mining station a long time ago.

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looks the statistics http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php

we had 1700% and 4900% of luck...and sure also 20% of bad luck...in all pools with low hash can happen...but I do not understand why you come here to advise people to use "chinese pool"?...

or maybe the answer is this:

Quote from: dog1965 on February 08, 2016, 01:18:39 PM

I know its a noob question but I am new at it.

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Quote from: wariner on February 09, 2016, 02:14:36 AM

mine is a discourse on the btc safety, and I'm sure that many Chinese also appreciate p2pool, only problem is low hash on this moment because many people like you think only of short term profit taking.

yea short term don't make me laugh. Grin

p2pool still has not hit a block yet wake up dude smell the coffee ! Tongue

and the difficulty goin up another 20.67% again after it just went up 20.06% come on really dude take what you get before you are pushed out the door. Tongue

and your miners become paperweights oh I forgot you one of those rich dudes that can afford to leave your miners running and wait thirty years to hit I block. or make any kind of profit. I hate Chinese but what can I do. let a S7 become a paper weight after paying those prices and not make nothing but $60.00 bucks out of it. I am almost roi'd then I will try p2pool again.

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mine is a discourse on the btc safety, and I'm sure that many Chinese also appreciate p2pool, only problem is low hash on this moment because many people like you think only of short term profit taking.

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Quote from: wariner on February 09, 2016, 01:10:49 AM

it is statistic.

to equal luck with 15 days between "chinese pool" and p2pool you would receive:

chinese pool: 15 payments from 0.1 = total 1.5btc
p2pool: 1 payment from 1.5 = total 1.5btc

Obviously that is indicative, but there may be very lucky moments and gain a lot or very unlucky..

Finally, there are alternatives pool very well managed to use instead of "chinese pool", for example slush, ckpool, kano.is...ecc.. if you really do not want to help bitcoin with p2pool at least not throw hash on pool who hold too much power (this for the safety of bitcoin) Wink

whats the difference Did you take a good hard look at the global hash rate and the difficulty lately I think the fucking Chinese own 80 percent of it anyway. Ever talk to a china man they don't say good morning how do you feel the first words they say is lets make a deal !

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