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Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 224. (Read 2591920 times)

legendary
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My question is, bestshare in antminer shows sometimes less than Node difficulty. What does this mean? If its less than actuall difficulty does that mean miner is submitting lower difficulty shares and are discarded by pool because of lower difficulty? Which simply means such shares gives no payout at all?

Essentially yes, your miner will submit shares that meet the pseudo share difficulty, this number is typically much lower then actual share difficulty.

By doing this P2Pool is able to more accurately estimate your hashrate, and present you with better data on the front end.

If you were to only submit shares that meet the minimum P2Pool difficulty it would make the data presented to you on the front end far less reliable because of the time between your valid shares.

I'd be cautious about trusting "best share" on Ants, there have been errors in the past.





I am also thinking even if the Ant shows a "Best Share" large enough to get a share but you don't see it show up in your miners info on a pool, then most likely it was either a orphan or dead? I have only been mining on p2pool for less than a week and have tried a couple nodes near me (Chicago area). I also started off using a couple of wallets on my S3's and  S5's so I could see just which pools and/or miners were receiving shares. Now I have consolidated all miners to one node and one wallet. Still learning here but like what I see so far.
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My question is, bestshare in antminer shows sometimes less than Node difficulty. What does this mean? If its less than actuall difficulty does that mean miner is submitting lower difficulty shares and are discarded by pool because of lower difficulty? Which simply means such shares gives no payout at all?

Essentially yes, your miner will submit shares that meet the pseudo share difficulty, this number is typically much lower then actual share difficulty.

By doing this P2Pool is able to more accurately estimate your hashrate, and present you with better data on the front end.

If you were to only submit shares that meet the minimum P2Pool difficulty it would make the data presented to you on the front end far less reliable because of the time between your valid shares.

I'd be cautious about trusting "best share" on Ants, there have been errors in the past.

Actually its waste of time for miners submitting shares with less than actual difficulty. Is there anyway we can set the miners to work only with the minimum node difficulty? Also are there any chances share submitted with minimum node difficulty can be rejected or discarded?

http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/static/original/  - In this page, "My shares" shows invalid pages, how do we find the latest share submitted in this node under "my shares"? Opening each link to check the details is a headache job.
legendary
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My question is, bestshare in antminer shows sometimes less than Node difficulty. What does this mean? If its less than actuall difficulty does that mean miner is submitting lower difficulty shares and are discarded by pool because of lower difficulty? Which simply means such shares gives no payout at all?

Essentially yes, your miner will submit shares that meet the pseudo share difficulty, this number is typically much lower then actual share difficulty.

By doing this P2Pool is able to more accurately estimate your hashrate, and present you with better data on the front end.

If you were to only submit shares that meet the minimum P2Pool difficulty it would make the data presented to you on the front end far less reliable because of the time between your valid shares.

I'd be cautious about trusting "best share" on Ants, there have been errors in the past.



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Is there any way to find out if our miners submitted any shares in p2pool?

I can see only minefast.CoinCadence.com node has detailed statistics on shares submitted etc. All other nodes dont have any stats except graphs of hashrate.

Is it something node owner has to install or integrate inorder to display shares submitted by miners?
the goal of p2pool is to run p2pol locally. your doing it wrong!

Actually I think he is doing it right, and looking for the stats we provide for his own node front end.....

The answer is you can always view your payouts and other pool stats on our site, whether or not you mine with us, however we can only track share data for shares submitted to our node...

The default P2Pool front end will show you your valid (and orphan) shares since the last node restart under "Share Explorer", example:

http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/static/original/

and for a specific share:

http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/static/original/share.html#00000000000000264285d829c3e6fa60445fa32572be7a22090e39af7869e17a

If you want to keep them for all time, currently you need to implement some type of persistent storage solution outside of P2Pool...


Thanks for the info. I get it now. My present node seems to be problematic which doesnt show last shares correctly.

I have a doubt regarding actual node difficulty vs miner difficulty.

We can see the best share numbers in antminers, I know that if best share is more than node difficulty it doesnt mean that miner already found a share. a share difficulty can be anything, 100times the node difficulty etc.
My question is, bestshare in antminer shows sometimes less than Node difficulty. What does this mean? If its less than actuall difficulty does that mean miner is submitting lower difficulty shares and are discarded by pool because of lower difficulty? Which simply means such shares gives no payout at all?
legendary
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Is there any way to find out if our miners submitted any shares in p2pool?

I can see only minefast.CoinCadence.com node has detailed statistics on shares submitted etc. All other nodes dont have any stats except graphs of hashrate.

Is it something node owner has to install or integrate inorder to display shares submitted by miners?
the goal of p2pool is to run p2pol locally. your doing it wrong!

Actually I think he is doing it right, and looking for the stats we provide for his own node front end.....

The answer is you can always view your payouts and other pool stats on our site, whether or not you mine with us, however we can only track share data for shares submitted to our node...

The default P2Pool front end will show you your valid (and orphan) shares since the last node restart under "Share Explorer", example:

http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/static/original/

and for a specific share:

http://minefast.coincadence.com:9332/static/original/share.html#00000000000000264285d829c3e6fa60445fa32572be7a22090e39af7869e17a

If you want to keep them for all time, currently you need to implement some type of persistent storage solution outside of P2Pool...
legendary
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Is there any way to find out if our miners submitted any shares in p2pool?

I can see only minefast.CoinCadence.com node has detailed statistics on shares submitted etc. All other nodes dont have any stats except graphs of hashrate.

Is it something node owner has to install or integrate inorder to display shares submitted by miners?
the goal of p2pool is to run p2pol locally. your doing it wrong!
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
Is there any way to find out if our miners submitted any shares in p2pool?

I can see only minefast.CoinCadence.com node has detailed statistics on shares submitted etc. All other nodes dont have any stats except graphs of hashrate.

Is it something node owner has to install or integrate inorder to display shares submitted by miners?
Windpath spent some time coding a custom front end to p2pool so that he's able to display miner information.  The standard p2pool UI does not include anywhere near this detailed level of information.  Virtually every front end available just makes the standard information pretty - they do nothing to actually enhance that data.  Windpath does on his node, which is why you see such detailed information there.
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Is there any way to find out if our miners submitted any shares in p2pool?

I can see only minefast.CoinCadence.com node has detailed statistics on shares submitted etc. All other nodes dont have any stats except graphs of hashrate.

Is it something node owner has to install or integrate inorder to display shares submitted by miners?
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!

These payouts are also virgin coins - freshly minted  Wink

That's the beauty of a truly decentralised system, we don't have to wait for any centralised body to pay us (or not, as happens on other pools), what you see is what you get.
I have to agree with you...it just took me a while to understand p2pool

block finder gets a 0.5% bonus too also forgot to say thx to the recent donors who shared their wealth.
legendary
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!

These payouts are also virgin coins - freshly minted  Wink

That's the beauty of a truly decentralised system, we don't have to wait for any centralised body to pay us (or not, as happens on other pools), what you see is what you get.
I have to agree with you...it just took me a while to understand p2pool
hero member
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Watch out for the "Neg-Rep-Dogie-Police".....
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!

These payouts are also virgin coins - freshly minted  Wink

That's the beauty of a truly decentralised system, we don't have to wait for any centralised body to pay us (or not, as happens on other pools), what you see is what you get.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1000
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M

Thank you for explaining that!
legendary
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Merit: 1001
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?

The "shares" that are submitted on the alt chain contain the payout info for all the miners.  When a share is big enough to be a block, it's submitted to the Bitcoin chain, and if accepted, the payout is distributed through the Bitcoin network as the share describes.  It's a very elegant solution.

Note that "payout" is probably a bad term.. more like mining distribution.

M
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1000
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy

Very nice! But got another question... How is p2pool able to pay out the coins so fast compared to other pools?


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Watch out for the "Neg-Rep-Dogie-Police".....
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

It can be like waiting for a bus sometimes - nothing for ages, then they all come at once...... Cheesy
legendary
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back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa

Woot, 37555.56% luck on the 2nd, I have them at 170 seconds apart Smiley
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
So, I've been running my BTC node using pypy for a while now & I'm very happy with it. Anyone who has alot of spare RAM - I'd highly recommend using it - much faster, less DOA/rejects & very stable  Grin

Still like to see it in C though.........

i have lotsa spare RAM ... need a guide, downloaded everything to get it running. but failed, maybe missed i something?

using windows here.

my node has been up for over 3 1/2 days 278 shares including 22 orphans & 2 dead, will be happy if i can get them to be lower.

click on sig to goto my node. any inputs are welcomed to improve it.

tia

Where is it located?

Asia/Malaysia

you can get more details @ http://nodes.p2pool.co/

legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
back2back ! yeeehaaaaaa
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arcs-chain.com
What I did with gentoo to install pypy, emerge is gentoo install command as apt-get is in ubuntu

emerge pypy-bin as root

After that

easy_install --user  -U twisted
easy_install --user  -U zope.interface

edited .bashrc and added line

export PYTHONPATH=/home/username/.local/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/

Seems to work fast Smiley
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WANTED: Active dev to fix & re-write p2pool in C
Speaking of pypy, I was wondering what the verdict was. I have plenty of RAM available. Is the switch fairly painless? I'd like to give it a go, but I also don't want to mess anything up with my Linux noobishness.

It's extremely painless, I'm also a Linux noob (& stoner  Cool) & I managed it in a few minutes, so you should be OK. idonothave kindly posted a guide a few pages back:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10135870

Well worth it  Smiley
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