Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 346. (Read 2591964 times)
good to see some heavy hashpoer returning to p2pool tonight - lets hope they stick with us
Again, the my goal is really to create an incentive for forrest to get involved again
I don't think Forrest has been uninvolved because of a lack of donations - I think he has been 'uninvolved' because he simply doesn't know how to fix the problems that need fixing.
He pretty much said as much in his last little diatribe. Yeah, he hinted at a 'possible breakthrough' in a rather obvious attempt to milk some donation money, but I think you are just throwing bad money after good if you send him any more donations.
I tend to agree with others... the bounty should be available to anyone who comes up with a working solution. Not just Forrest.
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Again,
The bounty was established for Forrest or his designee, maybe another dev wants to jump in and work with him on it?
That being said, I agree that if Forrest does not get involved any future bounty I set up will be open to all with well established criteria for completion.
This bounty expires July 25th and will be paid to Forrest (or his designee) or returned to donators...
Bounty Address: 1Ft1DZ4EcpH1jFttDoPwsFbe11a6diyZ1H
https://blockchain.info/address/1Ft1DZ4EcpH1jFttDoPwsFbe11a6diyZ1H
Signed message:
Code:
forrestv p2pool antminer s2 and s3 compatibility fix.
Message signature:
Code:
G7zuvJ7/LPv7LpZveAsQWet1gAR42bnwFRVPB7NsnGqPnWkN8bqSSN1UwR+NnfDs/8LkruqZcVsTTdfcy5pcNj4=
If you would like to see a working solution for the new Ants from Forrest please contribute and show that we are willing to pay for work completed.
I tend to agree with others... the bounty should be available to anyone who comes up with a working solution. Not just Forrest.
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Absolutely. From what I can gather, p2poolers have spent over a year waiting for forrestv to tackle these issues, all the while collecting donations, but doing nothing. We are where we are now because forrestv went AWOL, as our Chinese friends with 250Th so rightly pointed out.
Forget about forrestv, it won't happen. Offer the bounty to anyone who can help get p2pool back to where it belongs. The payment for him adding TRC was obviously more than the bounty being offered anyway.....
But hey, what do we know - we're all hypocrites.
I suspect making P2Pool work with proxies will fix both.
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
The bounty is for Forrest or his designee, my goal here guys is to create a reward based system for Forrest that provides financial incentives for him to get back into development of p2pool outside of a donation % from mining.
While I may appear to be "some random guy" I hope the work I've done so far on the front end has demonstrated some level of commitment to p2pools success. I'm a real person, and plan to stick around, trust has to start somewhere, phillip if you contribute some coin you have my word it will either go to Forrest if the Ants work by July 25th, or will be returned to you. Yes, it's a risk, and my intent is to build some trust for future bounties, not to make off with anyone's Bitcoins
I tend to agree with others... the bounty should be available to anyone who comes up with a working solution. Not just Forrest.
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totally agree, don't like the tone of forrestv's recent messages (although I do agree that developers should be rewarded).
forrestv seems to think the word 'donation' means something other than it's meaning;
A donation is a gift...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation
I suspect making P2Pool work with proxies will fix both.
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
The bounty is for Forrest or his designee, my goal here guys is to create a reward based system for Forrest that provides financial incentives for him to get back into development of p2pool outside of a donation % from mining.
While I may appear to be "some random guy" I hope the work I've done so far on the front end has demonstrated some level of commitment to p2pools success. I'm a real person, and plan to stick around, trust has to start somewhere, phillip if you contribute some coin you have my word it will either go to Forrest if the Ants work by July 25th, or will be returned to you. Yes, it's a risk, and my intent is to build some trust for future bounties, not to make off with anyone's Bitcoins
I tend to agree with others... the bounty should be available to anyone who comes up with a working solution. Not just Forrest.
M
I suspect making P2Pool work with proxies will fix both.
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
The bounty is for Forrest or his designee, my goal here guys is to create a reward based system for Forrest that provides financial incentives for him to get back into development of p2pool outside of a donation % from mining.
While I may appear to be "some random guy" I hope the work I've done so far on the front end has demonstrated some level of commitment to p2pools success. I'm a real person, and plan to stick around, trust has to start somewhere, phillip if you contribute some coin you have my word it will either go to Forrest if the Ants work by July 25th, or will be returned to you. Yes, it's a risk, and my intent is to build some trust for future bounties, not to make off with anyone's Bitcoins
So, on top of donations to forrestv, you're offering a bounty only to him as well, for something that should have been sorted out over a year ago. In the meantime, if anyone else finds a fix - they get nothing.
Yeah, that'll work.
Yeah, that'll work.
"Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool."
I could have told them that over a year ago.....
If, however, they do manage to find a way to use their hardware with p2pool then they will have done something that forrestv has failed to do & should be given his bounty
The bounty I set up is not for Bitfury equipment, it is specifically for Antminer S2 and S3, however I imagine a bounty from the Bitfury folks might get Forrest involved.
I suspect making P2Pool work with proxies will fix both.
I notice the bounty is specifically for forestv though, and not other contributors.
I am also leery about sending funds to some random guy on the Internet too
"Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool."
I could have told them that over a year ago.....
If, however, they do manage to find a way to use their hardware with p2pool then they will have done something that forrestv has failed to do & should be given his bounty
The bounty I set up is not for Bitfury equipment, it is specifically for Antminer S2 and S3, however I imagine a bounty from the Bitfury folks might get Forrest involved.
"Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool."
I could have told them that over a year ago.....
If, however, they do manage to find a way to use their hardware with p2pool then they will have done something that forrestv has failed to do & should be given his bounty
"These are the results of the survey. 68% of all unit holders have cast their vote:
- Yes, PetaMine should switch over to P2Pool – 96%
- No, PetaMine should stay with ghash.io – 3%
- No, Petamine should switch to another pool like Eligius or BTCGuild – 1%
The result is clear that a big majority of unit holders prefer a switch to p2pool. As we were performing additional tests the past week, we have to inform you that unfortunately the Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool. We are currently working on a solution for this and we will switch to p2pool as soon as we are able to fix this problem."
Sharedifficulty rising..
I cant wait to see if Peta makes more coins with p2pool then before...
- Yes, PetaMine should switch over to P2Pool – 96%
- No, PetaMine should stay with ghash.io – 3%
- No, Petamine should switch to another pool like Eligius or BTCGuild – 1%
The result is clear that a big majority of unit holders prefer a switch to p2pool. As we were performing additional tests the past week, we have to inform you that unfortunately the Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool. We are currently working on a solution for this and we will switch to p2pool as soon as we are able to fix this problem."
Sharedifficulty rising..
I cant wait to see if Peta makes more coins with p2pool then before...
This is great news, PETAMINE will add a nice boost to block frequency...
If the PETAMINE folks are around, happy to provide a front end for your node(s)
Hello, Mr Forrestv
I represent P2POOL Chinese users thank you, thank you always hard to pay, we have been using a 1% donation to express our gratitude.
But in December 2013, P2POOL encountered a problem, bitcoin difficulty of continued growth in, small miners can only choose to leave.
I have tried to contact you, try to communicate. I hope you can solve some problems, but you disappeared.
P2POOL income has been declining, we have suspended the donation. 2014 we did not donate, because you do not continue to work for P2POOL, up to eight months.
P2POOL 2013 in December, creating a very good income. April 23, 2014, I took my Chinese friends, try to P2POOL impetus,
We have assembled a force of about 250T count P2POOL, until June 20, 2014. We are their own servers, non-profit pools, revenue is not good, you're better than that
We know, we have no reason to donate to you. We continuous losses, still insist on P2POOL mining BTC.
We are very sad, so June 20 we left P2POOL. You are very lucky to have a count of about 300T of unknown force mining in P2POOL, they also have a lot of 0 donations
Did you say they are hypocrites? ? ? If they leave, you will lose your time and effort spent countless while building P2POOL, P2POOL will collapse.
Your time is limited, miner's time is limited. We should understand each other.
I saw the June 22 and 27, have updated and P2POOL again， shown remarkable performance gains, if these updates are really effective to improve the income,In July I will return to the set count force P2POOL, and consider donating. But if the performance is still so poor, we do not need to return to P2POOL.
I represent P2POOL Chinese users thank you, thank you always hard to pay, we have been using a 1% donation to express our gratitude.
But in December 2013, P2POOL encountered a problem, bitcoin difficulty of continued growth in, small miners can only choose to leave.
I have tried to contact you, try to communicate. I hope you can solve some problems, but you disappeared.
P2POOL income has been declining, we have suspended the donation. 2014 we did not donate, because you do not continue to work for P2POOL, up to eight months.
P2POOL 2013 in December, creating a very good income. April 23, 2014, I took my Chinese friends, try to P2POOL impetus,
We have assembled a force of about 250T count P2POOL, until June 20, 2014. We are their own servers, non-profit pools, revenue is not good, you're better than that
We know, we have no reason to donate to you. We continuous losses, still insist on P2POOL mining BTC.
We are very sad, so June 20 we left P2POOL. You are very lucky to have a count of about 300T of unknown force mining in P2POOL, they also have a lot of 0 donations
Did you say they are hypocrites? ? ? If they leave, you will lose your time and effort spent countless while building P2POOL, P2POOL will collapse.
Your time is limited, miner's time is limited. We should understand each other.
I saw the June 22 and 27, have updated and P2POOL again， shown remarkable performance gains, if these updates are really effective to improve the income,In July I will return to the set count force P2POOL, and consider donating. But if the performance is still so poor, we do not need to return to P2POOL.
Well said. And yes, he did.
Good news is that Bitmain have told me their engineers are working on improving the p2pool issue - but don't hold your breath.
"Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool."
Well there's a surprise......
"These are the results of the survey. 68% of all unit holders have cast their vote:
- Yes, PetaMine should switch over to P2Pool – 96%
- No, PetaMine should stay with ghash.io – 3%
- No, Petamine should switch to another pool like Eligius or BTCGuild – 1%
The result is clear that a big majority of unit holders prefer a switch to p2pool. As we were performing additional tests the past week, we have to inform you that unfortunately the Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool. We are currently working on a solution for this and we will switch to p2pool as soon as we are able to fix this problem."
Sharedifficulty rising..
I cant wait to see if Peta makes more coins with p2pool then before...
- Yes, PetaMine should switch over to P2Pool – 96%
- No, PetaMine should stay with ghash.io – 3%
- No, Petamine should switch to another pool like Eligius or BTCGuild – 1%
The result is clear that a big majority of unit holders prefer a switch to p2pool. As we were performing additional tests the past week, we have to inform you that unfortunately the Bitfury systems are not compatible with p2pool. We are currently working on a solution for this and we will switch to p2pool as soon as we are able to fix this problem."
Sharedifficulty rising..
I cant wait to see if Peta makes more coins with p2pool then before...
As jedimstr said, I did receive a sizable donation from the Litecoin Project (EDIT: credited wrong organization), and I have since been brainstorming and prototyping ways to fix the core problems with P2Pool - scalability and excessive variance for small miners. I prototyped a way to do trustless verification of blocks with O(1) storage so that we could free most P2Pool nodes from needing a local *coin node. I've spent a ton of time thinking of ways to implement parallel sharechains so that we can have shares more often, decreasing variance for small miners, while decreasing the strict latency requirements for hardware, sadly without any concrete results yet. Because this is a hard problem. I spent hundreds of hours in the summer of 2011 thinking about how P2Pool could possibly work, in a time before merged mining or pools with coinbase payouts even existed. Any further improvements that get us out of this local maxima that we're stuck in will require comparable amounts of thought. Some relief though - a few days ago, when people prodding renewed my eagerness, I may have made a breakthrough in ideas for how to get parallel sharechains to work (which I discussed in #p2pool).
Despite that, it is hard to work on this project when most people insist on cutting off the pool donations to me. When I see guides telling people to use --give-author 0 without any mention made of what it does, people blindly following them, or people asking me for help, providing screenshots of them running P2Pool with donations disabled, it hurts a bit. Actually, more than a bit. Right now, I get 0.09% of the revenue from P2Pool due to node donations (which default to 1%), which likely means that about 90% of people have completely disabled donations. That doesn't result in much revenue. Just today I spent about 10 hours getting http://p2pool.info/ working, which is the equivalent of two weeks of pool donations - if I were being paid minimum wage! I don't have a job (I am a student) and I do have other side-ventures that I'm working towards that look a bit more optimistic, so pardon me for rationally allocating my free time.
I don't believe anybody disabled donations because of a lack of development - pool donations have been comparably low for a very long time, since before this development hiatus - so I don't think I'm being "punished" for not working hard enough or obviously enough. I don't think that most miners ever think about their donation amount again after setting it or pay attention to development. (I don't blame them for not dedicating their lives to tweaking P2Pool.
) But this is vicious downward cycle and anyone running P2Pool with donations lower than the default while demanding improvements (or even planning to use P2Pool for an extended amount of time) is a hypocrite. It's simply a lack of foresightedness when miners decide to prioritize an amount of income that is invisible in the noise of variance of P2Pool payouts over the sustainability of P2Pool. Perhaps we'd be better off if I hadn't changed the mandatory 0.5% fee to an optional 0.5% donation (does anyone here even remember that?).
I do plan to continue working on P2Pool, and eventually great changes will happen. Unless something changes though, don't expect it to happen too quickly, and don't be surprised if people who disable donations get bugged a bit more when they start P2Pool (or with any other similar change to increase donations).
Despite that, it is hard to work on this project when most people insist on cutting off the pool donations to me. When I see guides telling people to use --give-author 0 without any mention made of what it does, people blindly following them, or people asking me for help, providing screenshots of them running P2Pool with donations disabled, it hurts a bit. Actually, more than a bit. Right now, I get 0.09% of the revenue from P2Pool due to node donations (which default to 1%), which likely means that about 90% of people have completely disabled donations. That doesn't result in much revenue. Just today I spent about 10 hours getting http://p2pool.info/ working, which is the equivalent of two weeks of pool donations - if I were being paid minimum wage! I don't have a job (I am a student) and I do have other side-ventures that I'm working towards that look a bit more optimistic, so pardon me for rationally allocating my free time.
I don't believe anybody disabled donations because of a lack of development - pool donations have been comparably low for a very long time, since before this development hiatus - so I don't think I'm being "punished" for not working hard enough or obviously enough. I don't think that most miners ever think about their donation amount again after setting it or pay attention to development. (I don't blame them for not dedicating their lives to tweaking P2Pool.
) But this is vicious downward cycle and anyone running P2Pool with donations lower than the default while demanding improvements (or even planning to use P2Pool for an extended amount of time) is a hypocrite. It's simply a lack of foresightedness when miners decide to prioritize an amount of income that is invisible in the noise of variance of P2Pool payouts over the sustainability of P2Pool. Perhaps we'd be better off if I hadn't changed the mandatory 0.5% fee to an optional 0.5% donation (does anyone here even remember that?).I do plan to continue working on P2Pool, and eventually great changes will happen. Unless something changes though, don't expect it to happen too quickly, and don't be surprised if people who disable donations get bugged a bit more when they start P2Pool (or with any other similar change to increase donations).
Hello, Mr Forrestv
I represent P2POOL Chinese users thank you, thank you always hard to pay, we have been using a 1% donation to express our gratitude.
But in December 2013, P2POOL encountered a problem, bitcoin difficulty of continued growth in, small miners can only choose to leave.
I have tried to contact you, try to communicate. I hope you can solve some problems, but you disappeared.
P2POOL income has been declining, we have suspended the donation. 2014 we did not donate, because you do not continue to work for P2POOL, up to eight months.
P2POOL 2013 in December, creating a very good income. April 23, 2014, I took my Chinese friends, try to P2POOL impetus,
We have assembled a force of about 250T count P2POOL, until June 20, 2014. We are their own servers, non-profit pools, revenue is not good, you're better than that
We know, we have no reason to donate to you. We continuous losses, still insist on P2POOL mining BTC.
We are very sad, so June 20 we left P2POOL. You are very lucky to have a count of about 300T of unknown force mining in P2POOL, they also have a lot of 0 donations
Did you say they are hypocrites? ? ? If they leave, you will lose your time and effort spent countless while building P2POOL, P2POOL will collapse.
Your time is limited, miner's time is limited. We should understand each other.
I saw the June 22 and 27, have updated and P2POOL again， shown remarkable performance gains, if these updates are really effective to improve the income,In July I will return to the set count force P2POOL, and consider donating. But if the performance is still so poor, we do not need to return to P2POOL.
Wow, there's another one. Please...no one change anything they are doing!!! I like a 2 a day average!!! That's 6 in 70.5 hrs.!!!
Boom... and another.... make that 7 in 72 hours
In honor of our good fortune lately, it's time to break out some Animal House...
I for one have to second this sentiment.
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Wow, there's another one. Please...no one change anything they are doing!!! I like a 2 a day average!!! That's 6 in 70.5 hrs.!!!
Boom... and another.... make that 7 in 72 hours
In honor of our good fortune lately, it's time to break out some Animal House...
Wow, there's another one. Please...no one change anything they are doing!!! I like a 2 a day average!!! That's 6 in 70.5 hrs.!!!
Reservoir Dogs
Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.
Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.
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