[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 686.

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Quote from: iopq on June 07, 2012, 03:41:18 AM

you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people

p2pool is no more guaranteed to stay up than other pools (unless you have enough hashrate to solo mine, perhaps). Also, one benefit of Eligius has always been that since we include payouts for even the current round in the generation for its block, your payout is generally just as secure as it is with p2pool. Unfortunately, due to the design of Bitcoin, SMPPS sometimes carries a backlog that can delay things until it is paid from the buffer, but there's not much anyone can do about that until Bitcoin is hardforked (at which point, it would hopefully be modified to allow additional inputs to generation).

rav3n_pl

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Take 250 miners that will run modified version of p2pooll and overtake it lol Tongue

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Quote from: rjk on June 05, 2012, 10:23:44 PM

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Quote from: abbeytim on June 05, 2012, 09:33:25 PM

we need some of the bigger pools to support p2pool

Rather, the bigger pools should support decentralized mining. p2pool is just another competing pool Wink

Today, decentralized mining is supported by (in order of when supported) BitPenny, p2pool, Eligius, TripleMining, and maybe EclipseMC.

I don't like your definition of decentralized. I think you should align it more with what is achieved in practice with p2pool, and indeed with bitcoin itself, and then make whatever statements you have to say.

p2pool is no more decentralized than the others, except in useless or even bad ways.

Prove it by substantially disrupting it in such a way that it can no longer function, and then I will believe you. Otherwise, provide suggestions for improvement.

how about the update bug? from 10.3 to 11.1

that proved it was possible to fork p2pool

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Quote from: Aseras on June 07, 2012, 07:48:20 AM

Quote from: Red Emerald on June 07, 2012, 12:31:33 AM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 08:23:27 PM

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Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.

p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras. Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins. That's not the point.

I was actually replying to the mined blocks seem shinier etc. I know p2pool blocks have the header info on the p2pool miners encoded as an output and you can "track" them as such.

I just meant that p2pool or soloing is not truly the only way to get mined blocks.

Oh okay. That does make sense.

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Quote from: Red Emerald on June 07, 2012, 12:31:33 AM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 08:23:27 PM

Quote from: Aseras on June 06, 2012, 08:07:32 PM

Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.

p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras. Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins. That's not the point.

I was actually replying to the mined blocks seem shinier etc. I know p2pool blocks have the header info on the p2pool miners encoded as an output and you can "track" them as such.

I just meant that p2pool or soloing is not truly the only way to get mined blocks.

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Quote from: iopq on June 07, 2012, 03:41:18 AM

you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people

Yes, the biggest advantage of P2pool - no way to scam!

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 09:38:12 AM

Quote from: rav3n_pl on June 06, 2012, 01:32:08 AM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 05, 2012, 09:54:53 PM

Today, decentralized mining is supported by (in order of when supported) BitPenny, p2pool, Eligius, TripleMining, and maybe EclipseMC.

p2pool is ONE and ONLY true decentralized p2p pool. Rest of them depends on server!
IE Bitpenny fail over is to... solo mining when server is unavailable!

All Bitcoin pools depend on network connectivity. Having a server to keep your information private and coordinate things is a good thing. It's easier to DDoS every single p2pool miner (and then they can't failover!) than to DDoS Eligius's server (and if you succeed, miners just failover to another pool). But no, I won't prove that by doing something illegal.

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

Fresh-mined coins for payouts were innovated by pools in the following order: puddinpop, Eligius, BitPenny, p2pool.

you can shut down your pool at any point and not pay people out
I'm pretty sure I am guaranteed that p2pool stays up and keeps paying people

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on June 06, 2012, 08:23:27 PM

Quote from: Aseras on June 06, 2012, 08:07:32 PM

Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.

p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Aseras. Yes it's true that other pools could payout generated coins. That's not the point.

Luke-Jr

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Quote from: Aseras on June 06, 2012, 08:07:32 PM

Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.

p2pool blocks can be proven to be so.

Aseras

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Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

Anyone solo mining and any pool owner has "virgin" blocks. Pools can choose to payout virgin blocks if they want as well. It's just hard to code so it's easier to resend.

Aseras

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Quote from: ChanceCoats123 on June 06, 2012, 04:12:11 PM

I still haven't even gotten my merged mining working yet... Anyone have a good, quick guide to setting up the merged mining on Windows 7 x64?

Get the daemons for whatever you want to mine. Namecoind Ixcoin Iocoin devcoin etc

Set them up on ports that don't conflict with bitcoin. Make sure you set a username and password in the config file.

Once they are all happy you run p2pool with --merged http://username:pass@ip:port repeat for each merged coin. So you'll have 3 or 4 --merged whatever in a row.

That's it.

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Quote from: Red Emerald on June 06, 2012, 06:38:29 PM

Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

More. 200 nodes but lots of ppl are using p2poolmining

If not want/need/can run own node...

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Quote from: Ente on June 06, 2012, 05:36:32 AM

Quote from: stevegee58 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:47 AM

Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. Cool

..the most anonymous coins you can get, too!

Ente

Well it's pretty clear that they come from p2pool and since there are only about 200 of p2pool miners, that narrows down the anonymity a bit.

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I am p2pool merged-mining bitcoins, namecoins, devcoins, groupcoins, ixcoins, i0coins, and coiledcoins currently.

I used to also have geistgeld and rucoins merged in with those but turned those two off a while back.

I use Linux though not windows.

-MarkM-

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I`m mining namecoins on my windows.
Just started:

Code:

namceoind -daemon -rpcport=8336

then p2pool:

Code:

run_p2pool --merged http://rpcuser:[email protected]:8336/

ChanceCoats123

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I still haven't even gotten my merged mining working yet... Anyone have a good, quick guide to setting up the merged mining on Windows 7 x64?

markm

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I am already merged-mining using p2pool, merging as many coin types as I practically can, but I now want to use it as a "devcoin pool", paying people only in devcoins for using the pool.

It looks like I should be able to set commission percentage to 100 percent to prevent anyone being paid out any bitcoins, yes?

But where would I look to find statistics I can use to divide up the devcoins once I sell all the coins except the devcoins for devcoins to pay to the users?

-MarkM-

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Quote from: Soros Shorts on June 06, 2012, 11:32:54 AM

Suppose a group of supporters set up 30 public p2pool servers, each with 1 Gpbs bandwidth, located in various datacenters throughout the world. It is relatively easy and cheap to lease dedicated servers that meet this criteria.

These would be centralized pools, even if they participate in a larger p2pool.

Quote from: Soros Shorts on June 06, 2012, 11:32:54 AM

Would the distributed group of p2pool servers be more or less capable of fending of a 30Gbps attack vs. Eligius?

Which setup is more DDOS-resistant and why?

Having a single server to protect from DDoS is easier than having to deal with it at every site. However, if you could setup your servers as anycast (which would require switching to UDP instead of TCP), a DDoS might be easier to mitigate in some ways.

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The key to fending off a DDOS is having the ability to block traffic upstream at an area that has sufficient bandwidth. You have to analyze the traffic and drop the bad while keeping normal traffic working. Major ISP and hosts can handle it. The average home user or small business can't.

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Suppose a group of supporters set up 30 public p2pool servers, each with 1 Gpbs bandwidth, located in various datacenters throughout the world. It is relatively easy and cheap to lease dedicated servers that meet this criteria.

Would the distributed group of p2pool servers be more or less capable of fending of a 30Gbps attack vs. Eligius?

Which setup is more DDOS-resistant and why?

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