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DeathAndTaxes

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Quote from: Turbor on November 12, 2011, 01:32:21 PM

So which scam are you talking about ? Who has lost money so far ? I only hear a bunch of people calling BFL repeatdedly a liar and a scam.

A scam isn't like Schrödinger's cat it is possible the scam already exists even though people won't be victims till later.

Bernie Madoff's scam was still a scam even while people hadn't lost anything ... YET.

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So which scam are you talking about ? Who has lost money so far ? I only hear a bunch of people calling BFL repeatdedly a liar and a scam.

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Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 01:24:37 PM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 12, 2011, 01:23:17 PM

Quote from: BFL on November 12, 2011, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

Me ?

Well actually admitting the scam before it went through is dumb, so no not you.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 12, 2011, 01:23:17 PM

Quote from: BFL on November 12, 2011, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

Me ?

ElectricMucus

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Quote from: BFL on November 12, 2011, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

omg you're dumb.

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Quote from: BFL on November 12, 2011, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

Of course you would like us to stop pointing out the flaws in your scam. Of course you would be glad if we believed you so that more suckers would send you money that you are going to run away with. Like the person above me says, provide proof that can be independently verified. Until then you are a liar.

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If you work with SOLAR PANELS you work with the least unique light source of them all; THE SUN. The shadows seen in the picture would require bright, directed light. There is no way anyone would have that on their workbench.

Least unique light source.... hahahaha.

Actually the sun is the most unique light source seeing as there is only one but thats not all I work with. I work with halogens, LEDs (built a custom 150W LED lamp myself), arc lamps, metal halides and high pressure sodium bulbs. If you are working on electronics then you are going to want a bright light, especially if you don't see too well (the glasses). That in itself is not unbelievable. You really are naive if you think someone that tests and certifies solar panels is only going to use the sun as a source of light.

Edit

Forgot to add custom UV lighting too. Built a custom 2kW UV setup just this week. Point is that I know a lot about unique light sources.

You are not necessarily disagreeing with me as I said some of the shadows would have to be caused by light sources around desk height.

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Quote from: BFL on November 12, 2011, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

So far you have delivered 0 products and 0 proof. I think it is sorted. Why not give us definitive proof so we can stop this betting and spamming on the forums ? That's right, because you have none.

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Quote from: bulanula on November 12, 2011, 08:42:55 AM

Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

I'm glad that's resolved.

BFL

bulanula

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Their claims are total BS and impossible with current state of technology. Too many hints about it being a scam. No proof given to any member.

Obvious scam is obvious. Can we move on please and stop wasting this server's bandwidth and space ? Thank you.

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Quote from: bittenbob on November 12, 2011, 01:43:26 AM

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Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

I know there is more than one light source and I fully understand the implications. I work with SOLAR PANELS and deal with some very unique light sources myself. I am saying that the shadows on the two boards she is supposedly working on still do not add up. And yes I have dealt with multiple light sources and do on a regular basis. Specifically the shadows I mentioned are unlikely to occur given the arrangement of lights shown in the photo. and would require certain lighting conditions.

Again even if the picture was unaltered the boards could be dummy boards but I admit that they do appear similar to the other pictures listed in thius forum and on the website. This lends some apparent credibility to their case but if you were running a scam would you release any photo that would discredit you? No. If the photo appears legit to you its because it's supposed to.

If they grant a tour and testing session to the user across the road from their so called office in the welfare lofts then I might give them more credit but they have yet to do so.

If you work with SOLAR PANELS you work with the least unique light source of them all; THE SUN. The shadows seen in the picture would require bright, directed light. There is no way anyone would have that on their workbench.

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6.5 of 20 coins sent to Inaba.
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The only reason why I had the 20 bitcoins on this computer was because I use them to top up my phone credit at www.bahtcoin.com

. I have over $13,000 in bitcoin equipment right now and do not want to put more cash into it.
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LMAO.
I thought it was going to take at least 100 BTC to prove you are just full of shit. But just 10 BTC did the trick!
Well, technically, 20 I suppose as that other guy put in 10 as well. Doesnt really matter if I win the bet or not, I already won. Hilarious.

"i will make a bet with butterfly laps or one of its supporters up to $10,000 us dollars"
"i would give 10k to a trusted escrow site "
"I will pay $1000 in bitcoin to get this butterfly fluffer on video tape assuming he shows his ID as well!"
"I will pay 10% of any ones costs to buy any of this guys products just for the fucking lulz. "
"$10000? Okay, I will pledge I will pay $10000 in cash on site or in bitcoin for this product if it works. After it is tested! I am well know in the KC area and known to have the cash on hand if needed. "

When push comes to shove, you struggle coughing up 6.5 BTC. And my guess is you you have yet to mine the rest.

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Quote from: grubles on November 12, 2011, 01:35:51 AM

Quote from: bittenbob on November 11, 2011, 11:35:47 PM

As per one of my other posts did you look at the shadows on the chips in this picture? Not to mention if that iron is hot (which I use a similar one all the time) I would not be taking my eye off it as they leave one heck of a burn. I deal with testing and certification of solar panels so I know all about ligthing and I do not see any possible objects that would create the shadows in this picture.

Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

You guys have too much time on your hands. Can we just wait and see what happens?

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(I think I just got trolled)

OT warning;
Where's our hard drives!? http://www.sewp.nasa.gov/addins/hot_topic/2011/hard_disk_shortage_more.shtml

Are people ok over there? Have not seen news on it here.

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Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

I know there is more than one light source and I fully understand the implications. I work with SOLAR PANELS and deal with some very unique light sources myself. I am saying that the shadows on the two boards she is supposedly working on still do not add up. And yes I have dealt with multiple light sources and do on a regular basis. Specifically the shadows I mentioned are unlikely to occur given the arrangement of lights shown in the photo. and would require certain lighting conditions.

Again even if the picture was unaltered the boards could be dummy boards but I admit that they do appear similar to the other pictures listed in thius forum and on the website. This lends some apparent credibility to their case but if you were running a scam would you release any photo that would discredit you? No. If the photo appears legit to you its because it's supposed to.

If they grant a tour and testing session to the user across the road from their so called office in the welfare lofts then I might give them more credit but they have yet to do so.

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Quote from: bittenbob on November 11, 2011, 11:35:47 PM

As per one of my other posts did you look at the shadows on the chips in this picture? Not to mention if that iron is hot (which I use a similar one all the time) I would not be taking my eye off it as they leave one heck of a burn. I deal with testing and certification of solar panels so I know all about ligthing and I do not see any possible objects that would create the shadows in this picture.

Obviously there is more than one light source in the picture, hence any kind of shadow weirdness you might be seeing.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 12, 2011, 01:13:00 AM

And just as a point of fact, the soldering irons are in the upper right hand of the picture. The "gun" you see below them is a desoldering gun. I have a similar unit on my desk... it's attached to a hot air desolder unit along with the wand. Except theirs is nice and mine is a cheap Chinese knock off

Ok even if it is a desoldering iron that doesn't prove anything. Just that wherever this picture was taken the person has some electronic equipment. I know many people that work with electronics that are more than questionable and many of whom wouldnt hesitate to steal expensive soldering equipment from work given the opportunity. There is nothing to indicate where this picture was taken and could very well be an electronics manufacturer (hey grandma want to come into work with me? Hey lets take a picture like you are doing something). Also as I mentioned a few suckers buys you a lot of capital with whcih you can buy equipment to make yourself look legitimate and attract more suckers.

If this is a scam (which it most likely is) then whoever is purporting it obviously has a good knowledge of electronics and electrical engineering. Just because someone is scamming you doesn't mean they wont buy some good equipment in which to build something similar and to convince more people they are legit. It will be interesting when Nov 25 passes and their second box becomes available for pre-order. If they are around that long it is.

Edit:

I see deathandtaxes beat me to the fact that this pic could have been taken anywhere. I agree it does not prove anyting.

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 12:58:30 AM

SHA-256 is a hashing algorithm not an encryption algorithm. You likely are thinking of AES-256.

of course. my statement should have read "to be sha-256 hashed" instead..

Edit; But I am refering to this in part; http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/fips180-4/Draft-FIPS180-4_Feb2011.pdf

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 12:58:30 AM

Of course no company which exists on paper only in Wyoming under the wrong name as of a few months ago and just created a website without any prior products has any realistic chance of getting anywhere near a govt encryption contract.

That they could have such capabilities and just kind of came out of no where is exactly why I am suggesting they are hiding their identities......

Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on November 12, 2011, 12:58:30 AM

The photo and equipment certainly does look legit. Of course it may be possible these guys have real jobs in electronics field and snapped a photo of a coworker.

yeppers, I could have snapped some photos in one of the Nasa labs and then used them to say I was building sha hashing rockets out of. ;p

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That's the problem with your assertion. It's NOT a soldering iron. You may "know" it is, but what you "know" is wrong.

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