Topic: 1GH/s, 20w, $500 — Butterflylabs, is it a scam? - page 40. (Read 123107 times)

I know its a solder iron... Not a gun. I do work on electronics but not at the same level as these boards but I have worked on silicon boards. 900F is the max temp of my iron but I like to run it around 750-800F just to make it quicker. Regardless it is very hot and can/will burn you if you touch it if its hot enough to work with lead.

I have already said what I do before but I will repeat it for you (even if it ticks RPK off). I do certification and testing of solar panels which I have created and refurbished several peices of electronic equipment for. So to answer your question yes I do work with electronics and I never said what she was holding wasnt a soldering iron. Just that it was big which it is.

And just as a point of fact, the soldering irons are in the upper right hand of the picture.  The "gun" you see below them is a desoldering gun.  I have a similar unit on my desk... it's attached to a hot air desolder unit along with the wand.  Except theirs is nice and mine is a cheap Chinese knock off

  uh oh, we woke up Goat. ;p  Real life comes first, m8. Be safe over there!


   Aye, we be stressin the lackin of the BFLin to come throughin!!

This +1. SMT is not soldered at 800 degrees.

You do not work on electronics.  How do I know this?  Because you think the device she's holding is a soldering iron.  heh.  It's not... but anyone who works with SMT would know exactly what it is really is.

SHA-256 is a hashing algorithm not an encryption algorithm.  You likely are thinking of AES-256.

Of course no company which exists on paper only in Wyoming under the wrong name as of a few months ago and just created a website without any prior products has any realistic chance of getting anywhere near a govt encryption contract.

The photo and equipment certainly does look legit.  Of course it may be possible these guys have real jobs in electronics field and snapped a photo of a coworker.

  Maybe they just made up that manual or found it, but I highly doubt it. It would be about the equiv of my bringing home one of the DeltaII/III project manuals from work to keep on my desk. I'd have better odds robbing the White House. ;p  And there are 3 solder guns tools holstered to her right, presumably to do more than just the tiny chips on this board here.

  bah, let me go look it up for ya, m8.  

  No idea which model of Mydata pick and place machine they are using or if they are just using the TPsys software on something else. But, that manual is for the software for those type of machines and specificly a 'MY' series one. And they are far, far from being cheap.

    http://www.alternativesmt.com/equipment/Mydata-TP91-Mydata.asp
    http://keytechsolutions.com/?111000
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_enzQ0akY&noredirect=1
    http://www.mydata.com/www2/main.nsf/content.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=8394789BD7CE07FFC125786A003208B7

  Which, brings me back to one of my much earlier posts on this thread. When I first read the info about their specs and mixed arch chips, etc, the first thought that came to mind was, 'Gov Contracter'...  Go hit up google for NIST System A, System B, I believe they are calling the rollout of new requirements for classified communications to all be of a minimum sha-256 encryption. Leading me to believe there would be a new surge of companies competing to build chips for those functions...

    *tinfoil Hat*  Bitcoin would sure be a nifty way to encourage briliant minds of an 'underground' nature to come build platforms for performing sha functions cheaply. ;p

  P.S.  BFL, if you wouldn't mind sharing some Geek Porn with us, a nice picture of a MyData or similar p&p would be mmmmmmmmmmmmm
    

The SHA256 isn't really a big intelectual property development. To me it seems like a single-semester student project in microcoding. Off-the-shelf SHA256 cells are ususally designed for fast streaming. And the various designs published (or alluded to) here looked like they were unrolled and limited by the signal propagation over the long interconnects. I haven't seen anyone doing the opposite extreme: packing a lot of slow but small hash cells into a single chip.
 
Maybe not "fell off a truck", but a straight "dumpster diving" at some research or test facility. I have no current knowledge of the foundry business, but in they days past I've met people selling analog and mix-sig ICs that were mismatched or half-operational rejects. One person's trash was the other person's treasure.

The business registration that no one challenged or investigated. I investigated and it doesnt add up.

Point?

Oh yeah. The business registration that DeathAndTaxes posted like, ten pages ago.

I am not trying to repost or spam but when other people are trying to say that I am a liar and only doing it for money then I am going to defend myself. I hate endless reposted spam too but I did bring new information with trying to track down the supposed business registration. The place they are registered to said they never existed there so I performed some investigation of this myself. I did not think this would bring me vitrol and hatred. I guess my mistake was hoping maybe someone would maybe donate to me because mining takes so long to make bitcoins. In fact I think I am going to remove the original reference to my wallet just to prove this (as expected no one dontated anyting anyways lol). I also added some analysis of the only photo on the website that showed a person. 2 fake adresses+ no names+ questionable (but not impossible) performance numbers = scam.

Update (to avoid extra posts)

Removed other reference to my wallet. I don't care about money, Im just trying to prevent people from getting scammed. If you still send them money, don't say you weren't warned.

I would say it was more directed at you because you (like Goat) have spammed the thread totally to death. I like a reasoned discussion, but I hate endless reposted spam.

And it seems to be directed towards me for pointing out holes in what I believe is a scam. Like I said before it is entirely possible that this could exist but all signs point to it being a scam. If I am wrong I will eat my dirty socks.


I also work with a lot of electrical engineers who would also challenge the legitimacy of this. We even discussed earlier today about making FPGA boards that would be better optimized and cheaper than the current generation for bitcoin mining. I would have to wait until monday but I could ask them if they believe this is a scam but I already know what their answers will be.

I think its safe to say it isnt below the soldering station which is where the light would have to be coming from to show the shadow on the board on the right and chip/cover on the left. There are some points of reference in that I can say it is behind her head and in front of the soldering station. The lens also appears to be around the level of her hairline. I work with lights so I know all about them. You can also see the light on her hand that defines the distribution angle of the light from the lamp.

There is no tinfoil hat. I wear many hats but none of them physical and definitely not tinfoil. As I said there is proof we landed on the moon to any naysayers because there are mirrors we can bounce lasers off of.

I am someone who believes in proof and so far I have seen nothing that would convince me that they are legit.

The amount of vitrol and bile in this thread is astounding.

I started this thread because I thought it looked like an obvious scam (certainly in the initial form which had a lot less information that now) and I was concerned because of I knew people were sending them funds and I thought a little sunshine would help people keep safe.

All that said, I think you're taking a much stronger position than is currently justified by the facts. Perhaps you're right, hell if I know.  But if you're so sure, the thing to do is to join in the betting, not spread speculation and slander.

You are repeating things that have been hashed (pun intended) over several times already. I don't believe this is real either, but come on; you are grasping at straws. There is a big soldering iron so she can't be working on a circuit board? There's a hammer by that kiln, there's no way a glassblower could be using it! Utterly preposterous!

She could be posing for the picture as I have done this at work but this is not the only problem with this picture. There are the shadows on the boards and furthermore the soldering tool that is holstered beside the station is a pretty wide tip to be using on circuit boards. Then there are the questions of the adresses supplied by the company and the lack of being able to find any information about any employee names. It is interesting the one person lives across the road from the place in KC and still hasnt been granted any sort of confirmation.

I believe they metnioned they had pictures of people going in and out of this building so I have to play devils advocate as well and ask if any of them were this lady. If not its just another thing that makes this smell fishy. Maybe this is the infamous Nancy Hernandez?

There is absolutely nothing to establish the depth of the halogen light within the frame. You are speaking tinfoil hat jibberish at this point. Furthermore:


http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/9eba598/

I see the halogen light but it doesnt make sense even with that. The shadow on the board on the right she is working on for the chip/cover on the right is possible but not the one on the left. The light would have to be coming from below her soldering station and would also be longer. The board on the left the shadown on the one on the left doesnt make sense at all. The chip on the right of the left board with the shadow on the edge mean there would have to be another light source coming from table level on the left out of frame. This would cancel that shadow out however with the magnifying light (top left) and halogen on the right. The angles dont make sense and even then if it is real then the boards could still be fakes. A couple of suckers buys a lot of capital to further a scam.