@stompix. However if they do not follow through or Trump does not intervene, I reckon it would not be that strong of a message.
In any case, you are right. They do not want to push the American government's hand. They might give them life sentence which might be shortened to 2 years when no one is looking hehehehe.
Topic: [2019-04-22]American bitcoin trader may face death penalty over 'sea home' (Read 842 times)
May 31, 2019, 10:26:56 PM
May 31, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
Someone tries to make an honest leaving and spend it on something that makes their life comfortable and happy...the law says you doing something wrong and the Thai authorities don't waste time to move in while hardcore criminals are roaming freely.
Maybe people need to realise they are the government and have the power to reverse these harsh laws.
Maybe people need to realise they are the government and have the power to reverse these harsh laws.
May 31, 2019, 04:56:59 AM
@stompix. However, Thailand already put themselves in this position. But why? Only for politics? They do not need the problem.
As I said before, sent a strong message that you're willing to to do something extreme although you don't plan to continue to the end.
Think of children running after pets or scaring crows in the park, the birds get scared, run, the child is happy but if he had caught them he wouldn't have done anything. (probably).
Or think of all the bombers Russia send to the Baltic or to the coasts near Alaska, they don't plan on dropping a nuke, they are just sending a message we can do it.
Since the Us counterpart is also keeping quiet I also think they already know the outcome.
Also, if they wanted more American military presence, the Thai government would not have threatened Elwar and his girlfriend of the death penalty. They might only reprimand them and deal with the American government directly.
Because the deal is already done, this small case won't affect it at all as I suggested above probably they\ve already reassured the US that they are not really serious about it.
Now, I must add, if it would have an Albanian or a Haitian or some small poor country citizen..then yeah, the whole situation would probably be a lot different. But it wouldn't have made it in the news in this case.
May 30, 2019, 09:45:52 PM
@stompix. However, Thailand already put themselves in this position. But why? Only for politics? They do not need the problem.
Also, if they wanted more American military presence, the Thai government would not have threatened Elwar and his girlfriend of the death penalty. They might only reprimand them and deal with the American government directly.
Also, if they wanted more American military presence, the Thai government would not have threatened Elwar and his girlfriend of the death penalty. They might only reprimand them and deal with the American government directly.
May 30, 2019, 04:28:06 AM
Agreed. However, this might not only be for politics for its own reason. The Thai government might also follow through and execute the American couple if Trump does not intervene.
NOT going to happen.
Even if I would be throwing aside the bias from the sympathy towards Elwar there is no F way they are going to do this.
From what I've searched they haven't executed an American citizen in their recent history and the only foreigners on the death row are for drug smuggling which will not gather support even in their own country.
But besides that, take into account the fallout if they would really dare.
What would be the message sent to their tourists, the main source of income which again is in huge percentage represented by Americans? Do they afford to lose this? No way in hell!
And is not about Trump telling them to do us a favor, with China's expansions and the strain relations between them they are basically already begging the US to keep a military presence there, USS JCS was just anchored there a few weeks ago. Too bad Elwar didn't make it to it
,.Nope!
They will not even dare to convict him and then in a charade of mercy forgive him.
I'm willing to bet they are going to let this slide silently entirely.
The message has been sent, don't do that, there is no need for anything more!
May 29, 2019, 11:17:06 PM
If they simply desisted from any punishment, it would be a great show of weakness and imbecility.
Lols, and who will know that?
In just a month probably 99% of the people have forgotten about the case, 99.9% will never hear the outcome.
But I'm willing to bet that if you bring up the discussion about building a seastead near Thailand the reaction of your friends is going to be ..you want to get hunted like that American guy?
You can only dream that it is only about politics. However, some Asian governments can be very crazy also and make it a moral victory if they have a westerner imprisoned or given the death penalty.
Yeah, and that moral victory is not about politics?
They acting like crazy and trying to send a message is not about politics?
National pride is all about politics, about trying to show your citizens, neighbors, partners, and your enemies your resolve and your strength. Unfortunately, most only show how stupid they are.
Agreed. However, this might not only be for politics for its own reason. The Thai government might also follow through and execute the American couple if Trump does not intervene.
May 29, 2019, 10:41:32 AM
Thailand is one of the countries who treats their death penalty seriously and Chad Elwartoski would be lucky if he gets away with a slap in the wrist. That's the bad thing of getting carried away with their ideal life they tend to forget that they have certain responsibilities and obligations with the law before they even continue living the life they want. With Chad being a foreigner fishing food in Thailand's EEZ I think the Thai government would be easy to point fingers on him since he is really guilty of doing it.
Unfortunately you are right. Thailand is among the few countries in the world, where the death penalty still remains as a valid form of punishment. And worse still, it can be given to individuals accused of treason and Lèse-majesté. And another piece of bad news is that the new king (Maha Vajiralongkorn) is rumored to be very conservative as far as crime and punishment is concerned.
May 29, 2019, 07:45:39 AM
If they simply desisted from any punishment, it would be a great show of weakness and imbecility.
Lols, and who will know that?
In just a month probably 99% of the people have forgotten about the case, 99.9% will never hear the outcome.
But I'm willing to bet that if you bring up the discussion about building a seastead near Thailand the reaction of your friends is going to be ..you want to get hunted like that American guy?
You can only dream that it is only about politics. However, some Asian governments can be very crazy also and make it a moral victory if they have a westerner imprisoned or given the death penalty.
Yeah, and that moral victory is not about politics?
They acting like crazy and trying to send a message is not about politics?
National pride is all about politics, about trying to show your citizens, neighbors, partners, and your enemies your resolve and your strength. Unfortunately, most only show how stupid they are.
May 28, 2019, 11:00:29 PM
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
Agree with this one!
The Thai government did this show of force in order to send a message, just like a propaganda machine.
Now that the hype has died down and less than 0.01% follow up they might tone done their enthusiasm and simple drop the charges when nobody cares about it anymore.
Politics at it's finest!!
You can only dream that it is only about politics. However, some Asian governments can be very crazy also and make it a moral victory if they have a westerner imprisoned or given the death penalty.
This might require a Trump intervention, I reckon.
May 28, 2019, 08:51:43 PM
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
Agree with this one!
The Thai government did this show of force in order to send a message, just like a propaganda machine.
Now that the hype has died down and less than 0.01% follow up they might tone done their enthusiasm and simple drop the charges when nobody cares about it anymore.
Politics at it's finest!!
If they simply desisted from any punishment, it would be a great show of weakness and imbecility. I believe that the best solution for everyone, is a negotiation through some world organization or with the help of another country that offers protection.
May 28, 2019, 05:02:41 AM
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
Agree with this one!
The Thai government did this show of force in order to send a message, just like a propaganda machine.
Now that the hype has died down and less than 0.01% follow up they might tone done their enthusiasm and simple drop the charges when nobody cares about it anymore.
Politics at it's finest!!
May 27, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
Bumping this if anyone has news...
Elwar did make a post:
pretty weird one, in this situation.
His fb account has posted something according to this but it has now been taken down.
His girlfriend fb account seems also active but no details, just posting news clips.
Elwar did make a post:
Bump for relevance.
pretty weird one, in this situation.
His fb account has posted something according to this but it has now been taken down.
His girlfriend fb account seems also active but no details, just posting news clips.
His girlfriend instagram has posted 5 days ago this:
The funder behind Ocean.builders #seastead
In 2018, Rudiger Koch first created his prototype: He got plans for oil rigs and built a miniature version of them: XLII
..he founded a company he called "Ocean Builders"... A German restaurateur who emigrated to Thailand wanted to know if Koch could build an underwater restaurant for him.
For added stability, he wanted to grow a coral reef around the platform over time ... The American Bitcoin millionaire Chad Elwartowski and his Thai friend Supranee Thepdet were to live as guests on his platform. "They wanted to live there," says the engineer Koch
Rüdiger Koch...has written to the military attaché of the Thai embassy in Singapore and wants to negotiate with the government ... He wanted to bring investors to Thailand and promote tourism with floating platforms. "I'm sorry, I did not want to upset the Thais." Link 👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽 https://www.zeit.de/2019/20/ruediger-koch-seasteading-schwimmende-plattform-thailand-todesstrafe/komplettansicht
Do you Really Love My Planet.?.
Support (me) @bitcoingirlthailand
Thank you 🙏🏽 🙌🏽👌🏽😉....
https://www.instagram.com/bitcoingirlthailand/
May 27, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
If he don't want to waste the remainder of his life in some dark Thai prison cell, he should seriously consider applying for a Royal pardon. There is no other option in front of him. His American passport can make things a lot easier, as this option is not open for the vast majority of the third world citizens. He should hire a local attorney and then press for a pardon.
May 27, 2019, 09:37:13 AM
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
You want to close a potential source of information for the Thai secret intelligence agency? 
/serious : hope they are ok and indeed i respect their privacy as you said LOTV8s.
May 24, 2019, 07:20:41 AM
^ we'd've heard if they'd been captured
we heard they were in a different country anyway
there are ~5 threads on different aspects
2 weeks ago he posted - and then deleted - that they were ok 'thanks to btc'
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
we heard they were in a different country anyway
there are ~5 threads on different aspects
2 weeks ago he posted - and then deleted - that they were ok 'thanks to btc'
i get the impression he doesn't need too much noise, and is quite capable of asking if he needs anything
May 23, 2019, 10:24:48 PM
@stompix. They might be waiting for their sentence. There might not be much for them to do except browse the internet for news and check social media to contact family and friends.
I reckon someone in the forum who is a friend to him should open a thread to make everyone in the community aware of this issue. Does he need donations?
I reckon someone in the forum who is a friend to him should open a thread to make everyone in the community aware of this issue. Does he need donations?
May 23, 2019, 07:51:26 AM
Bumping this if anyone has news...
Elwar did make a post:
pretty weird one, in this situation.
His fb account has posted something according to this but it has now been taken down.
His girlfriend fb account seems also active but no details, just posting news clips.
Elwar did make a post:
Bump for relevance.
pretty weird one, in this situation.
His fb account has posted something according to this but it has now been taken down.
His girlfriend fb account seems also active but no details, just posting news clips.
May 03, 2019, 05:26:03 AM
Yeah, but how is a sea vessel for 2 people constitute to become a threat to nation's sovereignty? Even if they were tried, it will not hold up in international court. Not to mention the slew of sanctions Thai gov will face.
You need to ask the Thai government about that, these are their laws and apply to everyone in that country. There is a case of some US citizen who get 2.5 years in prison just for insulting Thai king, so what can be expected for some serious offenses.
As mentioned before, it is not only about 2 people, but also for others who have plan to come there and become neighbors of Elwartowski&Nadia. International courts or sanctions have nothing to do with this, this is an internal matter of a country, and be sure that US will never impose sanctions on Thailand, even if they were to execute the death penalty on Elwartowski.
Who is interested in more about the relations of these countries : https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10253.pdf
May 02, 2019, 12:25:09 PM
Thailand is one of the countries who treats their death penalty seriously and Chad Elwartoski would be lucky if he gets away with a slap in the wrist. That's the bad thing of getting carried away with their ideal life they tend to forget that they have certain responsibilities and obligations with the law before they even continue living the life they want. With Chad being a foreigner fishing food in Thailand's EEZ I think the Thai government would be easy to point fingers on him since he is really guilty of doing it.
May 02, 2019, 11:14:22 AM
I don't think the Thai govt would go out of their way to toe a vessel from the international waters to its shore just to prosecute two modern hippies. If that were legal then there would be no term for 'international water'.
Plus Thai officials are corrupt as hell. Just pay them a few dollars or satoshis and they'd go home to bed their ladyboys.
Maritime law does not really matter in this case, the government of Thailand accused them by this law :
Yeah, but how is a sea vessel for 2 people constitute to become a threat to nation's sovereignty? Even if they were tried, it will not hold up in international court. Not to mention the slew of sanctions Thai gov will face.
Plus Thai officials are corrupt as hell. Just pay them a few dollars or satoshis and they'd go home to bed their ladyboys.
Maritime law does not really matter in this case, the government of Thailand accused them by this law :
“Section 119: Intent to cause injury to the nation” states that, “Whoever does any act with intent to cause the country or any part thereof to descend under the sovereignty of any foreign state, or to deteriorate the independence of the state, shall be punished with death or imprisonment for life.”
https://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30367972
https://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30367972
Yeah, but how is a sea vessel for 2 people constitute to become a threat to nation's sovereignty? Even if they were tried, it will not hold up in international court. Not to mention the slew of sanctions Thai gov will face.
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