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June 13, 2022, 12:36:47 PM
He is a liability because he does not shoot, his strength is his defense and his screen to give Curry open looks. Although he was good in finding his teammates too but in the series, looks like the strategy of the Celtics is good to limit Draymond, so Curry just has to find ways to score and facilitate the ball for his teammates.

Thing is, the team is more effective if Draymond will have like 10 assists in a game, as that means everyone is playing well.

Yes, I'd agree that his  strength is actually on the defense and he set great screen and facilitate good ball movement, but there are some games when you can afford to miss open shots and what should be easy layups, it makes his game highly predictable and you can tell that Celtics were able to adjust to the fact that he doesn't shoot the ball and if you look at his numbers now compared to the previous series you can tell the staggering difference, and if he's on the floor with looney who also never shoots the ball it makes the Warriors somewhat shorthanded on the offense and the ball rotation doesn't really go to far, except they get Thompson (who's not been at his best too) on a catch and shoot. If you look at the Celtics success so far it's mainly because almost every guy on the floor can shoot somewhat really well and you can't afford to leave any guy wide open, but for Warriors most of the time you really just need to be worried about 3 of them.
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June 13, 2022, 12:00:34 PM
The fifth game is going to be played tonight. I really liked Warriors and especially Curry in the last game. Their general performance was so good that Celtics couldn't keep up with them in the last quarter. Curry played a very important role in this win by scoring 43 points. He is still doing his best for his team to be the champions again. This is Celtics' biggest opportunity to become the champions after so many years. I would like to see them making it actually but they need to improve their game more.
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June 13, 2022, 11:40:28 AM
Yes, Thompson may have a little contribution compared to the past NBA Finals, but man, we have to understand, he came from a major injury and when the returned, Warriors are back to the NBA Finals, isn't it a big improvement already? And also, let's not forget that Thompson had some huge games in the past rounds, maybe he is not that too consistent but he is very useful to the team.
It's not just that. They forgot how good he is at the defensive end. We don't see him being a trend unlike Wiggins, Poole, and Steph but he was there defending offensive guys like Brown or Tatum if a switch happens.
If we talk about the defensive chemistry he is always there to back up Steph if ever he needs help as he was always the one being chosen for a Celtics attack. It's not really their offense that made them champions, it had always been how good they are on defense.

Let's just trust Klay Thompson that he could also contribute big figures in the next games and I agree, the man have also did a good job on the teams defense and it actually worked out. The people and fans are just so used seeing him getting fired-up every games that's why they are finding and missing the old and usual Klay. He also did well on both offensive and defensive ends in Game 3, he's just getting his rhythm and for the meantime while he's at it, he's focusing in helping the team's defensive capabilities.
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June 13, 2022, 06:08:05 AM
Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.
Without a doubt. The Celtics should remain defending him at the highest level because obtaining a hot hand is not difficult for him. They should still avoid Klay to get his rhythm at any point of the game or they will be doomed with Curry on the right and Klay on the left just waiting for the ball to be in their hands.
Key for the Warriors to win again is a high level of defense too, JT and JB are like the splash brothers of the Celtics, they will not easily give up this Game 5 even though it will be played at Warriors home.
True, the defense is really the key of the Celtics, plus they are moving the ball very well, very different compared to the last 2 teams that the Warriors beat that they only focus on limiting their star player, here, they have to limit everyone if they want to win. Thing is, if Celtics will shut down Curry, they have a huge chance to win, but if Warriors can't keep up with the right defense, they will likely lose.
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June 13, 2022, 05:57:50 AM
IMO, the problem is his offense, if we look at his points in the last 4 games, he does not have the average compared to the previous NBA Finals.

Game 4 - 18 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 3 - 25 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 2 - 11 points 4/19 * 21% shooting
Game 1 - 15 points 6/14 *  42% shooting

I couldn't agree more, if Klay Thompson had been efficient offensively this series would have taken a different shape, Curry have been left all alone to do the heavy lifting, even Draymond Green have been a liability in the team, little surprise that Steven Kerr decided to leave him out for the majority of the 4th Quarter of the last game.
You already said that Green has been a liability in their last 2 games already. That is the reason why Green has been on the bench in the 7-minute mark of the 4th quarter. He isn't helping the team at this moment TBH, especially in those 2 road games. I will not be surprised if he will be benched again in Game 6 on the road Cheesy.

I just hope that Green will play in their remaining games because if he plays like this, they might lose and if that happens, I will blame him first. Curry is carrying the team obviously by himself and Thompson is having a rough night. Well, it's a good thing that Wiggins has been very consistent all throughout this NBA Finals, and he is very efficient.

Both teams are undefeated following a loss. Will the Celtics lose 2 consecutive times or the Warriors will lose in the road? Good luck to your bets Smiley.

He is a liability because he does not shoot, his strength is his defense and his screen to give Curry open looks. Although he was good in finding his teammates too but in the series, looks like the strategy of the Celtics is good to limit Draymond, so Curry just has to find ways to score and facilitate the ball for his teammates.

Thing is, the team is more effective if Draymond will have like 10 assists in a game, as that means everyone is playing well.
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June 13, 2022, 05:45:52 AM
IMO, the problem is his offense, if we look at his points in the last 4 games, he does not have the average compared to the previous NBA Finals.

Game 4 - 18 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 3 - 25 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 2 - 11 points 4/19 * 21% shooting
Game 1 - 15 points 6/14 *  42% shooting

I couldn't agree more, if Klay Thompson had been efficient offensively this series would have taken a different shape, Curry have been left all alone to do the heavy lifting, even Draymond Green have been a liability in the team, little surprise that Steven Kerr decided to leave him out for the majority of the 4th Quarter of the last game.
You already said that Green has been a liability in their last 2 games already. That is the reason why Green has been on the bench in the 7-minute mark of the 4th quarter. He isn't helping the team at this moment TBH, especially in those 2 road games. I will not be surprised if he will be benched again in Game 6 on the road Cheesy.

I just hope that Green will play in their remaining games because if he plays like this, they might lose and if that happens, I will blame him first. Curry is carrying the team obviously by himself and Thompson is having a rough night. Well, it's a good thing that Wiggins has been very consistent all throughout this NBA Finals, and he is very efficient.

Both teams are undefeated following a loss. Will the Celtics lose 2 consecutive times or the Warriors will lose in the road? Good luck to your bets Smiley.
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June 13, 2022, 05:16:16 AM
Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.
Without a doubt. The Celtics should remain defending him at the highest level because obtaining a hot hand is not difficult for him. They should still avoid Klay to get his rhythm at any point of the game or they will be doomed with Curry on the right and Klay on the left just waiting for the ball to be in their hands.
Key for the Warriors to win again is a high level of defense too, JT and JB are like the splash brothers of the Celtics, they will not easily give up this Game 5 even though it will be played at Warriors home.
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June 13, 2022, 04:04:57 AM
IMO, the problem is his offense, if we look at his points in the last 4 games, he does not have the average compared to the previous NBA Finals.

Game 4 - 18 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 3 - 25 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 2 - 11 points 4/19 * 21% shooting
Game 1 - 15 points 6/14 *  42% shooting

I couldn't agree more, if Klay Thompson had been efficient offensively this series would have taken a different shape, Curry have been left all alone to do the heavy lifting, even Draymond Green have been a liability in the team, little surprise that Steven Kerr decided to leave him out for majority of the 4th Quarter of the last game.
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June 13, 2022, 01:35:21 AM
Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.

I agree with you that the criticism against Thomson is not warranted at all. I'd say Klay is performing well in this series, given that he managed to score 18 points in the last game and 25 points in Game 3. In addition, he scored 32 points in Game 7 against the Mavs. I think performances like these clearly show that he can still be effective when it's necessary for his team.

I think the problem with Thompson is not his offensive effectiveness but more on his defense. It is not like the Thompson that we know. He is less effective in defense now. Against young players like Tatum and Brown who are effective on both ends of the floor, he should dial up his defense.

IMO, the problem is his offense, if we look at his points in the last 4 games, he does not have the average compared to the previous NBA Finals.

Game 4 - 18 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 3 - 25 points 7/17 * 41% shooting
Game 2 - 11 points 4/19 * 21% shooting
Game 1 - 15 points 6/14 *  42% shooting
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June 12, 2022, 11:00:54 PM
I just saw a post on thescore that Robert Williams is unlikely to play tomorrow. Anyone who got some other news on who's out potentially tomorrow on game 5?

Curry is considered THE greatest shooter and he is also considered one of the greatest players of all time. He should surely affect the NBA Finals like this if that claim is true. We all know he is no Jordan, Kobe or Lebron but he is indeed a great player, one of the greatest players of all time to be exact, and we saw how he supposed to play in the last game. His 7 out of 14 three pointers and overall 14 out of 26 field goals(53.8%) are just quite solid. He played just so greatly. However, if he wants to be truly memorable in this series and in the history of the NBA, he should push little bit more and affect every remaining game as much as possible and win the series and MVP. They cannot win without his big performance, he should really contribute a lot scoring-wise.
He'll be one of the greatest when he's retired and that's for sure. He actually is one of the biggest contribution for the Warriors to reach for its finals when it was like the first time when he's with them.
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June 12, 2022, 10:56:11 PM
Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.

I agree with you that the criticism against Thomson is not warranted at all. I'd say Klay is performing well in this series, given that he managed to score 18 points in the last game and 25 points in Game 3. In addition, he scored 32 points in Game 7 against the Mavs. I think performances like these clearly show that he can still be effective when it's necessary for his team.

I think the problem with Thompson is not his offensive effectiveness but more on his defense. It is not like the Thompson that we know. He is less effective in defense now. Against young players like Tatum and Brown who are effective on both ends of the floor, he should dial up his defense.
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June 12, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.

I agree with you that the criticism against Thompson is not warranted at all. I'd say Klay is performing well in this series, given that he managed to score 18 points in the last game and 25 points in Game 3. In addition, he scored 32 points in Game 7 against the Mavs. I think performances like these clearly show that he can still be effective when it's necessary for his team.
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June 12, 2022, 10:29:35 PM
Curry is considered THE greatest shooter and he is also considered one of the greatest players of all time. He should surely affect the NBA Finals like this if that claim is true. We all know he is no Jordan, Kobe or Lebron but he is indeed a great player, one of the greatest players of all time to be exact, and we saw how he supposed to play in the last game. His 7 out of 14 three pointers and overall 14 out of 26 field goals(53.8%) are just quite solid. He played just so greatly. However, if he wants to be truly memorable in this series and in the history of the NBA, he should push little bit more and affect every remaining game as much as possible and win the series and MVP. They cannot win without his big performance, he should really contribute a lot scoring-wise.

As far as I know, he changes the way on how to play basketball now,

More on upgraded version of AI who can shoot like Miller, a combo that both have an assassin mindsets,
you can't blink an eye on him as he can shoot quickly or drive in and create his basket.

Still unknown if who's going to win this series, both teams are not willing to easily give up, this upcoming game
5 will be a good deciding factor, the one who will take this will surely have a better edge.
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June 12, 2022, 04:39:05 PM
We have a balance in the series now. Curry's performance was determinant in the last game of the series. He was really unstoppable and Celtics couldn't do anything against Warriors in the final moments. There is a feeling like Warriors will win the next game too and capture the psychological advantage quickly. The team lose the next game will be under pressure for certain. Warriors have been a winner team for some years and Celtics just want to end this and win the championship after a long break.
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June 12, 2022, 04:35:13 PM
Yes, Thompson may have a little contribution compared to the past NBA Finals, but man, we have to understand, he came from a major injury and when the returned, Warriors are back to the NBA Finals, isn't it a big improvement already? And also, let's not forget that Thompson had some huge games in the past rounds, maybe he is not that too consistent but he is very useful to the team.
It's not just that. They forgot how good he is at the defensive end. We don't see him being a trend unlike Wiggins, Poole, and Steph but he was there defending offensive guys like Brown or Tatum if a switch happens.
If we talk about the defensive chemistry he is always there to back up Steph if ever he needs help as he was always the one being chosen for a Celtics attack. It's not really their offense that made them champions, it had always been how good they are on defense.

Yeah, another he was not known to be a defensive player for some fans, but those who have followed Klay, he played good defense, so I don't know why is he being criticized in this series when he has like double figures and then playing defense too. But the scary part is that Klay can have that kind of game like Curry did, he can erupt with 30 or 40 points in a game this series, and if that happens, then he will silence his critics. All the momentum is how shifted to the Warriors in game 5.
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June 12, 2022, 04:29:35 PM
It might be difficult for Boston to win the 5th game as the difference in the game 4 was pretty huge for NBA final and we shouldn't be surprise if GSW will win on the same manner tomorrow night especially that they are playing on home court.

In Boston case ...they simply need to go and bring their best in the 5th game if they still want to have a chance to win the title and I'm sure they will because if they loose this game, the pressure will be massive in game 6 and they could tumble and lose the title but most of the fans would love to see a Best of 7 and not end in 6.

Official play for me in game 5th will be : Boston -5.5 points .
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June 12, 2022, 04:09:58 PM
Curry is considered THE greatest shooter and he is also considered one of the greatest players of all time. He should surely affect the NBA Finals like this if that claim is true. We all know he is no Jordan, Kobe or Lebron but he is indeed a great player, one of the greatest players of all time to be exact, and we saw how he supposed to play in the last game. His 7 out of 14 three pointers and overall 14 out of 26 field goals(53.8%) are just quite solid. He played just so greatly. However, if he wants to be truly memorable in this series and in the history of the NBA, he should push little bit more and affect every remaining game as much as possible and win the series and MVP. They cannot win without his big performance, he should really contribute a lot scoring-wise.
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June 12, 2022, 01:45:48 PM
Thank you for noticing that. Klay Thompson especially, he is being criticized until now by basketball analysts and I think they are wrong about him not back to his normal type of game.
He is actually back but not just in his best performance just yet. The expectations is too high by this so called analysts and also forgot about the fact that Boston Celtics is a defensive team. They won't just let him shoot that ball for free, there will always be a guard to stop him.

Green total steals in post season is 22 while Smart have 24. They are not that far, both DPOY awardee.
Yes, Thompson may have a little contribution compared to the past NBA Finals, but man, we have to understand, he came from a major injury and when the returned, Warriors are back to the NBA Finals, isn't it a big improvement already? And also, let's not forget that Thompson had some huge games in the past rounds, maybe he is not that too consistent but he is very useful to the team.
Him not contributing as much as he used to during offense is not really a big deal breaker, Warriors now have other options with Poole and Wiggins so they would be doing alright. However, Klay not being himself during defense is their biggest problem.

You have to understand, most players do not come back from achillies injury, or when they do, they do not comeback fully healed ever, and their lateral movement is limited, which is very important during defense. Klay was a defensive lockdown master, he guarded whoever Curry couldn't, and with him not being that awesome during defense, and not locking down Tatum for example, it creates big problems.

Exactly, maybe he can't do both now unlike before he got injured, but he is still one of the best defender in terms of taking

opponent's key scorers. He knows how to deal with every star that he's guarding. The score is not
that big option for him as just how you stated both Poole and Wiggins can help the team in that
particular department, with Curry orchestrating the whole offense, those players surrounding him are
perfect fits to their individual roles.
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June 12, 2022, 01:18:23 PM
Thank you for noticing that. Klay Thompson especially, he is being criticized until now by basketball analysts and I think they are wrong about him not back to his normal type of game.
He is actually back but not just in his best performance just yet. The expectations is too high by this so called analysts and also forgot about the fact that Boston Celtics is a defensive team. They won't just let him shoot that ball for free, there will always be a guard to stop him.

Green total steals in post season is 22 while Smart have 24. They are not that far, both DPOY awardee.
Yes, Thompson may have a little contribution compared to the past NBA Finals, but man, we have to understand, he came from a major injury and when the returned, Warriors are back to the NBA Finals, isn't it a big improvement already? And also, let's not forget that Thompson had some huge games in the past rounds, maybe he is not that too consistent but he is very useful to the team.
Him not contributing as much as he used to during offense is not really a big deal breaker, Warriors now have other options with Poole and Wiggins so they would be doing alright. However, Klay not being himself during defense is their biggest problem.

You have to understand, most players do not come back from achillies injury, or when they do, they do not comeback fully healed ever, and their lateral movement is limited, which is very important during defense. Klay was a defensive lockdown master, he guarded whoever Curry couldn't, and with him not being that awesome during defense, and not locking down Tatum for example, it creates big problems.
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June 12, 2022, 12:48:46 PM
The last game was lovely and Warriors deserved this victory especially thanks to their performance in the fourth quarter. They must be really grateful for Curry's incredible effort at the same time too. He got 43 points and his 3-pointer performance was very amazing also. Celtics will have a big job to do to prevent him from playing this much effective in next game. Defending is the thing they do best normally but it is really difficult to defend a player like Curry now.  Grin  So attack is the best form of defense for them now.
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