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September 06, 2021, 11:53:26 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.

Hamilton, Prince and Billups, those names are not a typical all stars but with Both Wallace inside the interior
this team is really hard to beat, they almost have another back-to-back title way back 2003-04 and 2004-05 just lost with the spurs in game 7.

Piston, way back, introduces good defense will allow you to win the title. They are not composed of those exciting players that will dunk or do a miracle shots, but they are the team who will knock you by limiting your offense.

A team that brings the system which mostly focus from how to wreck the offensive system of the other team.
Though they differ from the bad boys' images of the 90 eras but they also have the same system, to stop
anyone to make an easy basket.
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September 06, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
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Who would forget the Detroit Pistons with the bad boys, they defeated the heavy favorites LA Lakers (That's Kobe + Shaq),
I'm confused. I only know of one team from Detroit dubbed as the "bad boys" and they were a torn to MJ's Bulls, Magic's Lakers, and Bird's Celtics. They didn't face Kobe and Shaq's team.

...A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.
I recognize them as the team that ruined Karl Malone's last chance to win a ring hehe.

It's a well deserved recognition. He's the type of center that is quite missing in today's era. Imagine him and Giannis going at it,
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September 06, 2021, 10:29:28 AM

Sometimes a team will struggle especially if they miss one piece of their star player, and in the case of the Warriors, that was Klay Thompson who was a clutch player and knows how to win. Did you still remember that Thompson was the big reason for the Warrior's comeback when they were down 3-1 against the OKC with WB and Durant, after that season, Durant joined the Warriors and the Warriors won their championship as they got stronger.

There're no doubts about Klay he's like Pippen when MJ still playing here playing. He keeps giving Step the help that he needed and always fills his lapses.

They are a perfect duo who will kill you from the long range. The best offense is the defense system inside this league. You can't just leave anyone as both can kill you in a just split of your eyes.

They will be tested once again after those injuries they are now coming back with much stronger rivals. They are not the heavy favorite to win the title but in terms of capabilities; they are no longer at the bottom they can surprise everyone for sure! Wink
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September 06, 2021, 08:44:08 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
A long read but for me, it's worth it.
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.

And if I'm not mistaken, he was Draymond inspiration as well. Why Ben Wallace impacts Draymond Green’s chances at Hall of Fame



Yes, that's a complete line-up, perhaps the last great team to win a NBA championship thru their sheer defence by limiting their opponents points. Such underrated team in the early 2000's.

And who would forget Tayshaun's Prince block on Reggie Miller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJ4iwqnLKc

Maybe some posters here are not aware of it.  Grin

And that block win the game for them.
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September 06, 2021, 08:21:11 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.

I remember the bad boys in Detroit.
They were the team that defines the phrase "defense can win games". Those were the times when defense was appreciated equivalent to offensive highlights as well.
There nothing really special about Ben Wallace, what makes him such an spectacular players is his defensive presence, the ability to make hustle plays, and toughness inside the paint even If he's way too undersized for a center position.
Really a deserving hall of famer.
Whoops I just remembered a short representation on YouTube just recently presenting one, if it's about Detroit Bad Boys I think  it's all falls to Bill Laimbeer, he's on hall of fame too (bit off topic). Not on their eras to be honest when I been fond of NBA basketball but I think Ben Wallace do deserve the honor being one of the greats.
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September 06, 2021, 08:16:17 AM
Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/
I would definitely agree that him getting one suspension was the reason why Cavs won that specific game, but the final game was basically just a horrible one GSW all around. Draymond still had an amazing game he had 32 points, 15 rebounds and 9 assists that game, but when you keep Klay at 14 and Steph at 17 then you win the game. Draymond never played another game that great, dude knew he had to pick it up when other two was covered like crazy and he did his best but wasn't enough.

I would say there is a level where a player is a lot more important than what stats show, and after a while the stats are so horrible that what he brings aside from stats starts to be bad. Draymond had that a year ago, whatever he did wasn't enough to justify his bad stats, and he is getting worse as well, his three point shooting is gone too, so he is a great leader on court and I like that but he needs to be a lot more assertive when playing as well.

Sometimes a team will struggle especially if they miss one piece of their star player, and in the case of the Warriors, that was Klay Thompson who was a clutch player and knows how to win. Did you still remember that Thompson was the big reason for the Warrior's comeback when they were down 3-1 against the OKC with WB and Durant, after that season, Durant joined the Warriors and the Warriors won their championship as they got stronger.
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September 06, 2021, 07:47:43 AM
Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/
I would definitely agree that him getting one suspension was the reason why Cavs won that specific game, but the final game was basically just a horrible one GSW all around. Draymond still had an amazing game he had 32 points, 15 rebounds and 9 assists that game, but when you keep Klay at 14 and Steph at 17 then you win the game. Draymond never played another game that great, dude knew he had to pick it up when other two was covered like crazy and he did his best but wasn't enough.

I would say there is a level where a player is a lot more important than what stats show, and after a while the stats are so horrible that what he brings aside from stats starts to be bad. Draymond had that a year ago, whatever he did wasn't enough to justify his bad stats, and he is getting worse as well, his three point shooting is gone too, so he is a great leader on court and I like that but he needs to be a lot more assertive when playing as well.
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September 06, 2021, 07:24:37 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
A long read but for me, it's worth it.
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.

I remember the bad boys in Detroit.
They were the team that defines the phrase "defense can win games". Those were the times when defense was appreciated equivalent to offensive highlights as well.
There nothing really special about Ben Wallace, what makes him such an spectacular players is his defensive presence, the ability to make hustle plays, and toughness inside the paint even If he's way too undersized for a center position.




Who would forget the Detroit Pistons with the bad boys, they defeated the heavy favorites LA Lakers (That's Kobe + Shaq), they were underrated but they have proven that their defense is good enough to beat the best teams in the NBA, well, they prove they are the best team after they won the championship.

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Really a deserving hall of famer.
Completely agree with that.
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September 06, 2021, 06:22:43 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
A long read but for me, it's worth it.
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.

I remember the bad boys in Detroit.
They were the team that defines the phrase "defense can win games". Those were the times when defense was appreciated equivalent to offensive highlights as well.
There nothing really special about Ben Wallace, what makes him such an spectacular players is his defensive presence, the ability to make hustle plays, and toughness inside the paint even If he's way too undersized for a center position.
Really a deserving hall of famer.

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September 06, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
Ben Wallace went from undrafted to Hall of Fame
A long read but for me, it's worth it.
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At 6-foot-9 and a chiseled 240 pounds, Wallace in 2002 joined Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Hakeem Olajuwon as the only players to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocks in the same season (since done by Dwight Howard too). He and Dikembe Mutombo are the only four-time winners of the Defensive Player of the Year award. And Wallace was a four-time All-Star – the only undrafted guy to start an All-Star Game, in fact – as well as a five-time All-NBA selection and six-time All-Defensive pick.
One of the players that I look up to. A small center at 6'9 but jumps like there are springs in his feet. Even if you are at the three point line on act of shooting he will run from the half circle to you just to mess with your shot or at good times, block it.
I watched how the Wallace's (Rasheed and Ben not brothers) put a wall in the painted area giving every opponent a hard time to make a drive. Add-in the long reach of Tayshaun Prince which defense is at high level too. Don't forget about RIP and Chauncey.
How I miss those times when teams won with basketball basics and high level of defense.
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September 06, 2021, 05:51:53 AM
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What should be everyone's first task after the 2021-NBA-Draft is over?
Let's take a look at the #T22 Draft. Here are some of the players this year who should keep an eye on:
- Paolo Banchero
- Chet Hallmgren
- AJ Griffin
- Yannick Nzosa

Hopefully, it will be an exciting draft. I think Paolo Banchero will do very well this time around. The main reason is his 6' 9'' body structure, which is very much needed in the defense of basketball and pool-up shooting.
On the other hand, Chet Hallmgren has created a good hype before the draft, though Chet Hallmgren having a good defensive technique but I don't think he's one of the best players in the draft. Yannick Nzosa far better than him.
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September 06, 2021, 05:26:14 AM
Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/
Just his presence in the court is very important for the Warriors team already because he can be a scorer, rebounder, passer and a great defender. Even him complaining against the refs or fighting against other players has an impact on the team.
If I'm not mistaken, he is the one the recruited KD as well isn't it?

Green will never be included in the Big 3 for nothing. Some might not see his value because when you say anything about the Warriors, it will always be Curry or Thompson but when you are a Warrior fan or a long time NBA fan you will know how Green is contributing to the team. He is also one of the reasons why the Warriors went to NBA Finals consecutive times.
Yeah, he will always be part of the big 3, Curry and Thompson might be their scoring machine, but Green was all around, rebound, bring the ball down, set up screens for Curry and Thompson, and then score. But most importantly, he is the heart and soul of the Warriors during their championship run. His leadership molded them to be one of the best team in the last 10 years.
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September 06, 2021, 05:22:59 AM
Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/
Just his presence in the court is very important for the Warriors team already because he can be a scorer, rebounder, passer and a great defender. Even him complaining against the refs or fighting against other players has an impact on the team.

Green will never be included in the Big 3 for nothing. Some might not see his value because when you say anything about the Warriors, it will always be Curry or Thompson but when you are a Warrior fan or a long time NBA fan you will know how Green is contributing to the team. He is also one of the reasons why the Warriors went to NBA Finals consecutive times.
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September 06, 2021, 05:21:40 AM
So LaMarcus Aldridge come back from retirement and signed a one year deal with Nets again. Since this is a hot topic I changed poll, do you think he will be successful or not? Is it a wise decision to return to NBA? He looks healthy now and he is not that old. It was diagnosed as Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome but his medical results are clean. If he feels good why wouldn't he play for one more year? I hope he will be successful, Nets build a great team for this season. It would be excited to see LA in the courts again.
I like him as a player and ok, he might be of some use in the long run but I can't stop thinking he is just too old. These days 35 years old players seem like doing good but maybe I'm too oldschool, it seems like such an old age. The exceptions like Lebron James or Vince Carter of course make it seem like age is just a number but it can be hard to wait those kind of performances from everyone.
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September 06, 2021, 04:02:40 AM

Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/

Without him completing core, it might be a different story.

Green has its own value and every single player who played from this franchise knew how he works hard to boost each teammate he's playing alongside. Splash bro won't get that privilege to perform well without Green helping them to rotate the ball. He and Iggy are the ones who give the splash bro an easy task.

Just keep throwing that ball and we will take care of the rest. That confidence that was developed with the splash bro brings them all the titles that they.
collected for the past years of dominating this league.

They build the chemistry already, before Durant joined the GSW, they are already winning and have won 2 championships IIRC. Curry, Thompson, and Green are a big part of the team's success, there were times where Curry struggle but Green produced a triple-double together with Thompson's consistent 3 point shooting, so they still win the game.

Right! before KD Warriors already on the run bringing titles to their franchise,

KD adds up the dominance but not that totally the biggest part of this team, If I will to choose between
him and KD I'll keep Green playing with the Splash Bro.

He's all-around player who can do both offense and defense, unlike KD who is more focus with his offense which the splash bro can fill up.
Let see if how they will perform this upcoming season, with the Healthy Splash Bro it would change a lot in terms of competitions.
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September 06, 2021, 03:45:31 AM

Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/

Without him completing core, it might be a different story.

Green has its own value and every single player who played from this franchise knew how he works hard to boost each teammate he's playing alongside. Splash bro won't get that privilege to perform well without Green helping them to rotate the ball. He and Iggy are the ones who give the splash bro an easy task.

Just keep throwing that ball and we will take care of the rest. That confidence that was developed with the splash bro brings them all the titles that they.
collected for the past years of dominating this league.

They build the chemistry already, before Durant joined the GSW, they are already winning and have won 2 championships IIRC. Curry, Thompson, and Green are a big part of the team's success, there were times where Curry struggle but Green produced a triple-double together with Thompson's consistent 3 point shooting, so they still win the game.
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September 06, 2021, 03:35:19 AM

Indeed, some people did not see how valuable Green is in the lineup, he may not be scoring a lot but he is an all-around player who can contribute on the assists, rebounds, and defensive plays. In the 2016 NBA Finals, Draymond Green was suspended one game, and that was taken advantage by the Cavaliers, Lebron's team, and the Cavaliers won the championship that time.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-draymond-green-lebron-james-game-5-suspension/

Without him completing core, it might be a different story.

Green has its own value and every single player who played from this franchise knew how he works hard to boost each teammate he's playing alongside. Splash bro won't get that privilege to perform well without Green helping them to rotate the ball. He and Iggy are the ones who give the splash bro an easy task.

Just keep throwing that ball and we will take care of the rest. That confidence that was developed with the splash bro brings them all the titles that they.
collected for the past years of dominating this league.
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September 06, 2021, 02:35:18 AM
I hope that with his come back, he's healthy enough and this news can't also be accurate most of the time even if they tell that he's clear.
Hmm, I'm exciting to his return, even though he's a little bit old, I believe Aldridge could be a player that will make a difference in the Nets.
Talking about this topic, what is the real health of Aldridge? Does he still have the physical fitness to play?

I'm not saying the Achilles injury won't affect Klay's Thompson shooting % but I see he can adjust right away and back to his usual form once he returns to playing on the court. The reason is, majority of his moves was catch and shoot. Yes, it requires great footwork but mostly, the pressure is on his shooting. 

Once returned, he just needs to refrain from attacking the paint until his confidence to do it comes back. Warriors will be deadly next season even other teams improved. We saw how Curry makes lots of crazy scores last season and they become noticeable even with a bad record. Now with the help again, I'm expecting he will be on his usual form and not that owning all offense by the team.
I'm pretty sure Klay Thompson will focus on his shots, mostly 3 points.
I believe that unfortunately he is not in the good physical condition that he had before, with the injuries he suffered (ACL and Achilles injury), he will never go back as he was before (physically speaking), because basically he had his knee patched and a considerably "severe" injury to your Achilles tendon

How severe is his injury compared to Kevin Durant? Because I know when Durant got injured, we thought he will never get back playing with the same intensity as in the past, he was even out for one whole season, but we were wrong with our expectation as he leads the Nets in the playoffs, just unfortunate his other 2 star players teammates were injured.
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September 06, 2021, 02:27:00 AM
I hope that with his come back, he's healthy enough and this news can't also be accurate most of the time even if they tell that he's clear.
Hmm, I'm exciting to his return, even though he's a little bit old, I believe Aldridge could be a player that will make a difference in the Nets.
Talking about this topic, what is the real health of Aldridge? Does he still have the physical fitness to play?

I'm not saying the Achilles injury won't affect Klay's Thompson shooting % but I see he can adjust right away and back to his usual form once he returns to playing on the court. The reason is, majority of his moves was catch and shoot. Yes, it requires great footwork but mostly, the pressure is on his shooting. 

Once returned, he just needs to refrain from attacking the paint until his confidence to do it comes back. Warriors will be deadly next season even other teams improved. We saw how Curry makes lots of crazy scores last season and they become noticeable even with a bad record. Now with the help again, I'm expecting he will be on his usual form and not that owning all offense by the team.
I'm pretty sure Klay Thompson will focus on his shots, mostly 3 points.
I believe that unfortunately he is not in the good physical condition that he had before, with the injuries he suffered (ACL and Achilles injury), he will never go back as he was before (physically speaking), because basically he had his knee patched and a considerably "severe" injury to your Achilles tendon
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September 06, 2021, 01:24:29 AM
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Nah, he isn't just a supporting player. He's way more than that.
He is one of the definitions of leadership, loyalty, and inner strength of a franchise in the NBA.
He's like an extra coach to teach his teammates the importance of their rules and coach them while they're playing on the court.
If the Heat, let go of him, then he has no business to be on the Heat's bench. So, yeah he might already have a position on the Miami Heat team waiting once he retire.
Strong words. Yes, and sorry I downsized it with just being a supporting player.
Once returned, he just needs to refrain from attacking the paint until his confidence to do it comes back. Warriors will be deadly next season even other teams improved. We saw how Curry makes lots of crazy scores last season and they become noticeable even with a bad record. Now with the help again, I'm expecting he will be on his usual form and not that owning all offense by the team.
Or refrain from doing too much in the defensive end. If they can't stop one player from attacking, he just needs to trust his teammates to offer inside help.
It's difficult to look at one player aching to play ball but his injuries are stopping him.
We will see in December how big of an impact he will be again for the Warriors.
For the start of the season, they would lean with Curry's offensive attacks and some help from their casts.
Jordan Poole should also start taking his game up a notch and contribute.
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