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legendary
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June 23, 2020, 07:12:07 PM

Look I am not saying Denver or Dallas is bad teams but you guys have to be dreaming if you think Dallas versus Denver west finals is even possible.

You really take that Dallas vs Denver match-up possibility seriously huh?

I got the picture but you should also understand why the discussion leads on that.

"Disregarding the dominant ones" - in my case of picking the Mavericks.

As an NBA enthusiast for almost 2 decades, I understand technically, generally, specifically, etc, etc. "the true distance between our favorite team to the stronger ones". No need to explain how small the chance of either Dallas or Denver to reach the finals.
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June 23, 2020, 06:04:29 PM

 You are free to support your team as much as you want, there is really nothing anyone can say that could change that, you are a supporter of a team and it is your right to think you will be the champions. Without that hype and without that excitement, it is like watching every game knowing you are a bad team and you are going to lose, which is a sad thing. Not that it never happens, remember the Sixers during their "process" period, they had multiple under 20 win seasons and every fan knew they were going to lose quite a lot. So there are times you hype about your team and there are times when you are upset about it.

 However lets be honest, ranking wise Lakers and Clippers are first seed and second seed, whereas Dallas is 7th seed, there is 11 GB difference between Lakers and Dallas and there is 5.5 GB difference between clippers and Dallas. Don't get me wrong it is still possible, as a Dallas fan you should know that 8th seed could beat first seed, Golden State Warriors managed to beat Dallas Mavericks as the 8th seed versus 1st seed, so anything is possible. However is it probable? I do not think so, its just as possible as a sport match could be possible about but thats about it.
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June 23, 2020, 05:05:21 PM
Dallas was once a champion too and if you look at their roster that year it was not that good.
An old Nowitzki, Kidd, Terry and Marion.
What team did they win against? Miami! Freaking strong Miami with Lebron, Wade and Bosh.
While I agree that Miami was a favorite to win and Dallas winning was a surprise, it was still a pretty good team, that finished 3rd in the west with 57-25, while Miami finished 2nd at the East with 58-24. So not a huge difference like it would be in this playoff, if Dallas meets Lakers/Clippers. Also, Nowitzki had a lot of experience, including playing in finals, when they lost against Miami back in 2006.
I could see Denver reaching Western finals, but both those teams? Hardly. Thought there is always a chance of course, especially now with Covid-19 virus around, so you never know how each team roster will look like. Imagine Kawhi or LJ getting virus? That would be the end  for their teams basically, so if there is a year when anything is possible, this could be 2020.


We respect that you are a fan of the LA teams but we have our own respected teams to support too.
I fully agree with that. If fans of Dallas/Nuggets don't believe their teams can reach the final,then what's the point? You gotta believe in your team and hope for the best, that's part of being a fan.
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June 23, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Look I am not saying Denver or Dallas is bad teams but you guys have to be dreaming if you think Dallas versus Denver west finals is even possible. I do not think neither of them will go to finals, these are some other level of teams that you are talking about. Los Angeles will be the finals for sure, as long as teams are healthy it will definitely be Lakers versus Clippers, and even in a case where it is not both of them, we have Utah and Rockets that are waiting to take that spot as well.

So, for Denver and Dallas to be at west finals you have to eliminate Lakers, eliminate clipplers, eliminate Utah and eliminate Rockets. You are expecting awfully a lot from one team that never been to playoffs together and another that is basically 2-3 years in playoff adventure versus teams with multiple championship fmvp players.

We respect that you are a fan of the LA teams but we have our own respected teams to support too.

Dallas was once a champion too and if you look at their roster that year it was not that good.
An old Nowitzki, Kidd, Terry and Marion.
What team did they win against? Miami! Freaking strong Miami with Lebron, Wade and Bosh.

You cannot foretell the future. You might have the better odds but anything can happen in a basketball court.
Note: They do have playoff experiences.
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June 23, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
Look I am not saying Denver or Dallas is bad teams but you guys have to be dreaming if you think Dallas versus Denver west finals is even possible. I do not think neither of them will go to finals, these are some other level of teams that you are talking about. Los Angeles will be the finals for sure, as long as teams are healthy it will definitely be Lakers versus Clippers, and even in a case where it is not both of them, we have Utah and Rockets that are waiting to take that spot as well.

So, for Denver and Dallas to be at west finals you have to eliminate Lakers, eliminate clipplers, eliminate Utah and eliminate Rockets. You are expecting awfully a lot from one team that never been to playoffs together and another that is basically 2-3 years in playoff adventure versus teams with multiple championship fmvp players.
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June 23, 2020, 11:29:13 AM
Now that fans aren't allowed to watch live. I wonder what 76ers upcoming games would be the outcome as more than half of their Road Games are loss.



Too bad, they are at disadvantage after the resume (statistically based).
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June 23, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
I was searching for players who would opt out of the NBA 2019-2020 restart.

Here's what I gathered from NBA.com (some on the list were already mentioned in other comments):
  • Mav's Lee
  • Wizard's Bertans
  • Blazer's Ariza

Anyone else you might know?

They have until Wednesday to inform their teams but I was expecting to see more players to come forward by now and officially say they are out especially after all the talks on #BLM. Maybe the idea of not getting paid for missing games is also bothering them.

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legendary
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June 23, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
More intrigued with his speed and agility.
Did he gain some of those during the lockdown period solo practices?
Yeah, it's just for only 2 months and he gained that weight loss. He just looks like Porzingis.

His only problem is fatigue, but if he puts some muscle next year, we'll see a Giannis (jk).
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June 23, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
Teams are getting ready to get back into shape. Would we see another D. Lillard scoring 50 point-game streak? Cheesy
We might.  Wink

He may only have limited minutes with the Dallas Mavericks but he is for sure very useful in the playoffs as he has a lot of experience in the playoffs already. I checked his stats and he has played in different teams already. I'm not sure but I think the highlights of his career was when he was playing with the Memphis when this team was still a good playoff contender.
True! We will still miss him.  Grin
I mean, he is still another good addition, especially on the defensive end. We know veterans, they are good at that when they are full of experiences.

The Jokic transformation is somewhat tempting and there's a possibility of dominance because of it but I'll doubt if ever will make it to the Finals same goes to Dallas team. I'm always rooting it's somehow the two LA teams will be the one that'll head to head on the finals and I'm rooting Clippers will ever make it.
More intrigued with his speed and agility.
Did he gain some of those during the lockdown period solo practices?
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June 23, 2020, 07:41:44 AM
How about Dallas vs Denver going against each other in the West Final, is it possible?
I like to see if the transformation of Jokic would be a big factor to help his team, yay! so excited for the resumption of the NBA.
The Jokic transformation is somewhat tempting and there's a possibility of dominance because of it but I'll doubt if ever will make it to the Finals same goes to Dallas team. I'm always rooting it's somehow the two LA teams will be the one that'll head to head on the finals and I'm rooting Clippers will ever make it.
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June 23, 2020, 07:36:09 AM
Meanwhile @Reid @harizen one of your buddy in Dallas:
10 hours ago: Lee sustained a calf injury while working out during the NBA's hiatus and underwent surgery, Mark Stein of The New York Times reports.


Bad news for him but I think Dallas would not be affected a lot with this injury since they have a lot of bench players ,Courtney Lee's statistics this season is not that good, he only average 4.5 PPG, so it's not a lot to fill from whoever would fill it.

Let's look at his stats here https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeco01.html

He may only have limited minutes with the Dallas Mavericks but he is for sure very useful in the playoffs as he has a lot of experience in the playoffs already. I checked his stats and he has played in different teams already. I'm not sure but I think the highlights of his career was when he was playing with the Memphis when this team was still a good playoff contender.
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June 23, 2020, 07:20:11 AM
Meanwhile @Reid @harizen one of your buddy in Dallas:
10 hours ago: Lee sustained a calf injury while working out during the NBA's hiatus and underwent surgery, Mark Stein of The New York Times reports.


Bad news for him but I think Dallas would not be affected a lot with this injury since they have a lot of bench players ,Courtney Lee's statistics this season is not that good, he only average 4.5 PPG, so it's not a lot to fill from whoever would fill it.

Let's look at his stats here https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeco01.html
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June 23, 2020, 04:58:43 AM
you can check the odds in https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/Basketball/NBA%20-%20Futures

It's also tempting me to take this odds now. What do you guys think?

I'm biased. My friends know that I'm a Dallas Maverick for a long-time so whatever the odds I'm placing a bet with them. Honestly, even at low odds playing around @0.3 to 0.4 I still picking them risking a decent amount to somehow feel the profit in return. I shared some of my bets here if I'm not mistaken. Of course, I'm doing it alongside my own analysis and not just simply placing a bet. During their championship season, they have a good record but they aren't even on the list of expected teams to become a champion that season. Not saying it will happen again but I'm just a biased lol.

So if I have to answer your question, YES "disregarding" those dominant teams.

But for the majority sports analyst, obviously, Mavericks isn't on their list to becomes a champion. I'm also with them but still, I will consider placing for the Mavericks Futures. So yeah, decision making will be based on your own view. Smiley


Well said, if we like the team, we can be bias and just like what you did, even knowing that Dallas has a pretty small chance based on experts analysis but you still back them, that's why makes it every exiting knowing that you also bet on your team while you are cheering them to win the competition.

Too early, maybe if they are in the playoffs, one series at a time, winning the first round might pump up the excitement more.

Indeed. I am also biased here.
Actually I am worse than that.
I am betting for 2 Western teams.  Grin
Denver and Dallas.
It is not about being fooled or about the odds. It is about support and being a pure fan.
Stats of Doncic could have soared but yeah it doesn't mean they will win the Finals.
But who knows? If suddenly Lakers and Clippers will have a consecutive bad night and Dallas and Denver will have good ones then it can be a win.
With little profits but a big smile.

How about Dallas vs Denver going against each other in the West Final, is it possible?
I like to see if the transformation of Jokic would be a big factor to help his team, yay! so excited for the resumption of the NBA.

Teams are getting ready to get back into shape. Would we see another D. Lillard scoring 50 point-game streak? Cheesy

Interested... I thought he will not play. lol... if he will, yes 50 is just a usual number for him.
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legendary
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June 23, 2020, 03:56:50 AM
Meanwhile @Reid @harizen one of your buddy in Dallas:
10 hours ago: Lee sustained a calf injury while working out during the NBA's hiatus and underwent surgery, Mark Stein of The New York Times reports.

Lakers latest news:
Danny Green gets the steal on LeBron in a Lakers practice.

Portland latest news:
social distancing

Teams are getting ready to get back into shape. Would we see another D. Lillard scoring 50 point-game streak? Cheesy
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June 23, 2020, 03:25:18 AM
you can check the odds in https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/Basketball/NBA%20-%20Futures

It's also tempting me to take this odds now. What do you guys think?

I'm biased. My friends know that I'm a Dallas Maverick for a long-time so whatever the odds I'm placing a bet with them. Honestly, even at low odds playing around @0.3 to 0.4 I still picking them risking a decent amount to somehow feel the profit in return. I shared some of my bets here if I'm not mistaken. Of course, I'm doing it alongside my own analysis and not just simply placing a bet. During their championship season, they have a good record but they aren't even on the list of expected teams to become a champion that season. Not saying it will happen again but I'm just a biased lol.

So if I have to answer your question, YES "disregarding" those dominant teams.

But for the majority sports analyst, obviously, Mavericks isn't on their list to becomes a champion. I'm also with them but still, I will consider placing for the Mavericks Futures. So yeah, decision making will be based on your own view. Smiley


Well said, if we like the team, we can be bias and just like what you did, even knowing that Dallas has a pretty small chance based on experts analysis but you still back them, that's why makes it every exiting knowing that you also bet on your team while you are cheering them to win the competition.

Too early, maybe if they are in the playoffs, one series at a time, winning the first round might pump up the excitement more.

Indeed. I am also biased here.
Actually I am worse than that.
I am betting for 2 Western teams.  Grin
Denver and Dallas.
It is not about being fooled or about the odds. It is about support and being a pure fan.
Stats of Doncic could have soared but yeah it doesn't mean they will win the Finals.
But who knows? If suddenly Lakers and Clippers will have a consecutive bad night and Dallas and Denver will have good ones then it can be a win.
With little profits but a big smile.
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June 23, 2020, 01:03:50 AM
you can check the odds in https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/Basketball/NBA%20-%20Futures

It's also tempting me to take this odds now. What do you guys think?

I'm biased. My friends know that I'm a Dallas Maverick for a long-time so whatever the odds I'm placing a bet with them. Honestly, even at low odds playing around @0.3 to 0.4 I still picking them risking a decent amount to somehow feel the profit in return. I shared some of my bets here if I'm not mistaken. Of course, I'm doing it alongside my own analysis and not just simply placing a bet. During their championship season, they have a good record but they aren't even on the list of expected teams to become a champion that season. Not saying it will happen again but I'm just a biased lol.

So if I have to answer your question, YES "disregarding" those dominant teams.

But for the majority sports analyst, obviously, Mavericks isn't on their list to becomes a champion. I'm also with them but still, I will consider placing for the Mavericks Futures. So yeah, decision making will be based on your own view. Smiley


Well said, if we like the team, we can be bias and just like what you did, even knowing that Dallas has a pretty small chance based on experts analysis but you still back them, that's why makes it every exiting knowing that you also bet on your team while you are cheering them to win the competition.

Too early, maybe if they are in the playoffs, one series at a time, winning the first round might pump up the excitement more.
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June 22, 2020, 07:51:56 PM
you can check the odds in https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/Basketball/NBA%20-%20Futures

It's also tempting me to take this odds now. What do you guys think?

I'm biased. My friends know that I'm a Dallas Maverick for a long-time so whatever the odds I'm placing a bet with them. Honestly, even at low odds playing around @0.3 to 0.4 I still picking them risking a decent amount to somehow feel the profit in return. I shared some of my bets here if I'm not mistaken. Of course, I'm doing it alongside my own analysis and not just simply placing a bet. During their championship season, they have a good record but they aren't even on the list of expected teams to become a champion that season. Not saying it will happen again but I'm just a biased lol.

So if I have to answer your question, YES "disregarding" those dominant teams.

But for the majority sports analyst, obviously, Mavericks isn't on their list to becomes a champion. I'm also with them but still, I will consider placing for the Mavericks Futures. So yeah, decision making will be based on your own view. Smiley
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June 22, 2020, 07:30:31 PM
Bubble restart around the corner, less than 40 days left.
Tomorrow/today is the deadline for players to make up their mind and report to teams whether or not they are going to play in Orlando.

We have two players, Trevor Ariza (POR) and Davis Bertans (WAS) who announced today that they will opt-out of playing.
sources: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1275181721613406208
              https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1275074936197885959


I expect to see a lot more players drop out for a variety of reasons, those coming off serious injuries, players in contract years, or players preoccupied with the social injustice talk. Not to mention that teams have to start testing their players, if it's anything like the NFL or College Football there will be lots of positive tests.
"23 Clemson football players test positive for coronavirus".
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June 22, 2020, 06:46:18 PM
I would say do not bet on Mavericks just yet. Sure they might become a team that will challenge for a title in few seasons but not right now, not this soon.
With that odds I can bet, but I won't expect that they have a big chance of winning and even going into the NBA finals.
This is just like a lottery bet though, only bet what you can afford to lose, just to have some excitement while watching, I think that would help.

Same here, I might take that odds but I will not expect hard that I will win, maybe we can bet like $10 or $100 for that, depending on your budge actually. For a +3700 odds, if you bet $100, the return of your money if you win is $3700, that's a huge amount, right?

Worth taking a shot IMO.


You might see Luka's stats and get fooled and you might think just because they managed to be in playoffs after a rebuild so quickly they might upset some teams however even if they go to finals which is a big if and won't happen there is still the team from the east as well.

So, they need to beat 4 better teams and that doesn't happen, you might get lucky with one, you might just pull it off with the second one but not 4 teams on 7 game series. Most likely outcome right now is either first round exit or a second round exit, that's it. However in few years I do see them becoming contenders, just like how Giannis took Bucks to a whole new level, I am sure Luka will too.

Nothing is impossible though the chance is small, we are not just talking about Luka here but the entire Dallas Mavericks roster, they are all capable of winning and they are hungry that's why you can bet on them.

That's why you should only bet a small amount so you can just forget it if that would result to a losing bet.
In the playoffs, it's a different kind of game, who knows we will see a smarter and a better Dallas Mavericks team who could compete with the heavy favorites in the league.

Based on the odds from a particular sportsbook shared in the previous page.

Top favorites are ; 1) LA Lakers 2) Bucks 3) LA Clippers
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