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 I honestly think that some teams could benefit from both Irving and Durant, not both of them together because that would be a very very high value and very hard to pitch but seperately. These are not bad players, they do look like bad humans or at least not the type of players you want in your locker room thats for sure, I would rather have any other super star in my team than these guys, Durant is probably one of the most profilic scorers in the game today and Irving is one of the best shot creators so what they lack in character could be make up for the talent they have.

 Sure maybe they won't go well in Spurs for example, thats a team thats build around a spesific type of character and neither Irving nor Durant posses that, maybe not Celtics and maybe not even Lakers. However when you talk about teams like Nets, Knicks, Cavs, Suns, and teams like that, I think they would be superbly great. These teams already lack the superstardom in them and they need success a lot, even staying in Nets with whats going on, they could really make a difference next year, this team never became any good since they moved to Brooklyn so even with a horrible locker room and horrible things they could push just one season of success.

 In the end I feel like they belong to the league, no matter how hard it is to deal with them, they are so great that if it was a player that wasn't really good, you could just not hire them, look at melo, he was known as a selfish player and after his talents became not so well he had to sit out almost a full year without a team until Blazers got him, however Irving and Durant can't be like that, they are just too good to let them be, some team will want them eventually, maybe even Nets will keep them.

They cant waive these 2, this isnt the nfl.  They are guaranteed those contracts and will count against their salary cap.  If they "waive them" they will literally have peanuts to pay their starting players for the next 5 years.  They are crossing their fingers that's all they can do.  If they are injured they would have to package draft picks and other good players for some team to pick up their salary.  That is getting ahead of things it's still early.  Just saying, nets GM is sweating bullets right now

It's a no-brainer to think that no other teams will offer contracts to Durant and Irving if ever Nets will have a plan putting them on the trade list because of continuous injury. There is always a team willing to sign these two even they are prone to injury and that's not a stupid or dumb move. Not because they are superstars but they are capable of getting back in shape and most teams know that. Durant and Irving shooting percentage are one of the best in the whole league. They don't need to use much of their body strength in the future if they feel their body is not cooperating anymore with their physical offense on the inside.

Why the future of Brooklyn Nets now become predictable because of that Kyrie Irving injury? Kevin Durant doesn't even play yet. And to question, if he will still be the same as Durant before, we will just only know it once he came back. Sometimes talking about the future is too much. Let them recover fully. Irving has been through lots of injuries but never shown a sign of slowing down every time he came back and can still make good numbers. Durant has now plenty of rest and go through the latest Science of recovery.


You have a good point here and Klay Thompson even amazed at that improved Science of medication. People just concluding early that Irving and Durant are now out of the league if they will suffer more injuries.

Nets had a "do or die" mentality ever since day one, they were the ones who got very old players to go to playoffs to not make anything and then be horrible for many seasons just because of that season as well, Celtics literally recovered without tanking all thanks to them. Now they are doing the same mistake, this time it is not old but crazy players.

Durant and Irving are both amazing players and if they are healthy they play so well that the other three players do not even matter, a team with 100% Durant plus Irving could make it to playoffs and even go to finals just with talent (and they have decent other players as well). The trouble is, even if they are fully healthy, these players are locker room cancer and they always get hatred from the old teams they played in. So I assume this was another do or die move from nets and they failed at it once again.

Alright, alright. You are both correct but it is a different timeline now.
I think this also explains into why other teams would want Kyrie and Durant even with a huge payroll.
Remember how Stephen Smith rant about why the Knicks didn't offer anything to Durant.

This all goes about the medical technology.
Way different now. They can now fix an Achilles injury and it will almost like nothing happened.
 
Before, this kind of injuries will sure cut a lot of their 'per season' salary. i.e. Cousins.
But Durant had the money, the ring and so does Kyrie. These guys already proved themselves.
History and money for medical support. If you have that then offers will still be at a good number.
Injuries don't last for a long time anymore and we could see it. 1 season may be the farthest.
They will risk it for a big name.
Also consider how much tickets will be sold. 

As I was saying, if the reason why these players are traded is because they are easily injured, I don't think other teams will accept them.
Instead of being an asset, they'll become a liability of the team, and even if they are stars now, that doesn't mean they will still be the same players in the future especially when injury is the problem.

If you know Greg Oden, he was a 1st overall pick back in 2007 for the Blazers, played an impressive games before he was injured but after the injury, he wasn't back to his normal, so he become a wasted talent, and no team signs him with a good price if I am not mistaken.


It's better to talk about the future than the past, it's more relevant here in the discussion.
I am advance because I am just sharing my opinion on what could possibly happen to these two players that Nets paid for a max contract.

If you were able to understand everything I posted,.. I was using the word "IF", meaning it's just a possibility.

For sure there's team that will consider them being part of their squad. This two superstars have their own worth if being added to any teams Nets might not getting the benefits right now but considering them playing together after this season or if ever both are healthy once the team manage to stay at the second round. KD showed some practice videos and seems that it's working a lot to get in shape.

Refer to my other post after that. I said that Nets might consider trading those 2 if they will continue to be injured. No teams will show interest to them? How sure you are? If Nets decided to trade them, lets say next season or two, for sure there are teams that will acquire them. Durant and Kyrie for low price? Why not? Didn't you know that Nets can work on buyout or waived these players.

Its just their first year with the Nets. Why so advanced? The main point here is the Nets decision to take the risks and someone said they will regret in the future which I think not. Thats why I said, Nets are already aware of the risks so they gambled for it without regret. If they are not ready for these why they signed Durant while on the bed with a serious injury, why they signed Kyrie even these guy was out the almost the whole season in his 1st year with the Celtics and not effective when he came back the 2nd year. Its a max contract and that contract value can't just be offered without consideration.

Anyway these are only IF. Like most NBA fans want to see, I hope Nets comeback next year in a full healthy lineup with Durant and Irving leading the team.

This article below is dated MARCH 12, 2013, but it still says about his injury.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1563024-is-kyrie-already-irving-injury-prone-or-does-he-just-have-bad-luck

I don't really follow the injury updates of Irving all the time but as an avid fan of the sport, I notice that he is not available most of the time, although we can say that the injury is not that serious since he can still come back and play and produce good numbers, but its really annoying to miss one of the best players in NBA not getting the opportunity to carry his team.

I really thought it was just the knee injury that came from colliding with Bradley Beal.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/02/01/kyrie-irving-leaves-sprained-right-knee

This shoulder injury of him is really killing the entertainment of watching Brooklyn.
Last time he made 50 points and I really enjoyed that. Which I also thought is the clue that he is already fine and healthy.
He could stay that long playing the game without any sign of pain.
Now this.
They still have some good role players though. They will need to hold that line on the 7th spot. Wizards is not that far away with just 5 wins differential.

As it goes longer it will also change their market value, if Nets aren't interested with the two, it would be stupid for the other team to get them if they can't help the team based on their expectation. Who would like Irving that can't complete a season and this season, he hasn't played much too, and Durant is still uncertain if he will be back to his old self since the injury was really serious.

Of course, they were signed to compete for the team lol. I'm not saying that the trade value is what the Nets up for. But if these 2 players will keep getting injured then no choice but to consider trading them before they reached the final year of the contract since both have player options. You have the point that their trade value might become low but that value will not decline overnight for the likes of Irving and Durant.

And the Nets offered max contracts without knowing the risks of getting these 2? They already know that so no regret on their part. They have a plan for that, if things go wrong, then consider doing a trade, but as much as possible, since they pay a max contract, they are hoping for the best. Like I said we can just see the full power of Nets once their superstars now finally team up on the floor.

They are paying max contracts I dont think they paid those 2 just to trade them.  If they keep getting injured their trade value will be low because of their contracts and if they are playing well they wont want to trade them because that's why they signed them...to compete.  So trade value is not what they are looking for

I'm not really expecting to Brooklyn Nets this season even with a healthy Kyrie.

We will just see the full power of the Nets next season once Durant comes back.

And with the competition in the East, even without Kyrie, I think they can manage to sit at 7 to 8th spot until the season ends.


Nets already anticipate that and they already know the problem they will face about these 2. Both Irving and Durant, even with their injuries are still a big fish that other teams want to get. Nets will have a good benefit once they deal with the 2 on the trading market.

Indefinitely just means they dont have a timeline.  The nets season is a wash but I was even thinking in the years to come on their contracts.  It might be a case of where each of them end up playing 40 games a year with nagging injuries.  I hope not because I love watching durant play.

But they might miss this season, and if not, I am afraid they'll have and early exit as they don't has a good winning experience in playoffs.
Durant is out for this season for sure, Irving out indefinitely per his status, so I think we can expect he'll be out for the season too. 

For once I am glad the knicks didnt sign them 2 actually.  I know durant in theory should come back and be a monster, but the dude blew out his Achilles, as tall as he is and the rigors of the nba he will prob be on and off again injured too.  A little too early to tell but nets might end up regretting this.

Irving is different, he was dealing with that shoulder injury ever since, especially when he was still playing with the Celtics and probably that was the reason why he wasn't sign by the Celtics and look at the Celtics now, they are more better without Irving.

That is the problem. They could just close out a game with a free throw, and I don't think that is something people would be looking for. The problem is that they can't just put "no foul will called in the last minute of the game" since that could be abused by some of the players. Maybe they could stick to something like the last points should be done with a field goal, a dunk, a three-point, a layup, a fadeaway anything that is not a free throw.

A statue in front of the Staples Center, I think is close to happening compared to the NBA logo or changing the stadium name. It's a great tribute. Shaq already has one.

Also mentioned by the above post, every year, we will now hear Kobe's name at the All-Star MVP trophy announcement. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that the award was followed to an NBA player so that's already a big honor to Kobe as renaming it wasn't considered before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Kobe_Bryant_Most_Valuable_Player