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Quote from: Jating on January 17, 2025, 07:22:35 AM

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on January 16, 2025, 02:31:55 AM

NO Joel Embiid for the Sixers and not just that. The support Center of the team is also injured.
Its a good win for the Knicks but with 6 points is not enough as i want to result.
Its a healthy Knicks versus a no tower Philly. im expecting more from them.

Not sure what you mean but it's balance matchup considering both Embiid and KAT are not playing for their respective teams, and by looking on the game stats, Maxey and Brunson both stars of their teams played well, the game went to OT and NYK managed to win the game, with PG and Oubre helping Maxey sixers didn't gave easily.

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I am looking for a great match-up tomorrow with the CAVS vs OKC.
But unfortunately the big man of the OKC is also not playing. CHET and Hartenstein are out!

Yeah, this is a great match-up, a revenge for OKC while for Cavs it will be a good step up to make a game edge from the current over-all standing, if Cavs wins again they will move to 35-5 win/loss while if OKC wins it, they'll be able to tie the stats with 34-6 win/loss as they are currently 33-5 leading the west side.

Yeah, it's a balance match up as both didn't have their best scorer. But we all know how deep the Knicks are compare to the Sixers. Although they have Maxey, Paul George as still not playing the way we should expect of him.

Unfortunately, the Thunder really played good defense and not allow the Cavs to score just like in their first match. So it was a blow out win by them and no one expect it as we are picturing a close game between the top two teams in the league. Easy game for SGA who scored 40 points, and he shows why is the leading scorer right now in the NBA.

Yup, OKC managed to win the game at home completing their revenge against the top seeder from the east, it was a dominant win compared from their last meetings where the game was too close before Cavs pullover in the last dying minutes, OKC dominated the game and win with a double digit leads, giving those handicappers a decent amount of earnings after supporting then with this game, OKC also tied the tiop spot overall, looking forward to see them to continue their winning streaks again after this win.

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Quote from: redsun114 on January 17, 2025, 01:38:33 PM

Pistons being this good this season is the biggest shock of them all. There are few teams that got better over a season, like Rockets who finished 11th last season on the west, now being second place, Memphis certainly improved a ton compared to last season as well. However, none of them had a huge change like Pistons.

Because, Pistons literally broke the losing streak or something last season if I remember correctly, we have literally seen them be a mockery and they ended up being 50%+ this season so far, that is not something I expected to see. I assumed they would be a little bit better, like get maybe five or ten more wins this season, but going from 14 wins to now having 21 wins at half of the season is a huge success.

As a knicks fan i love detroits breakout. We traded our own pick for mikal bridges but own detroits 1st round pick thats protected 1-13. I need them to drop out of the lottery and the knicks get that pick. Would be huge for the knicks. I do like cade cunninghams game too. Kid is gonna be a superstar in this league. Detroit is on the right path, hopefully they make the playing over teams like philly or atlanta. Much more fun to watch.

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Pistons being this good this season is the biggest shock of them all. There are few teams that got better over a season, like Rockets who finished 11th last season on the west, now being second place, Memphis certainly improved a ton compared to last season as well. However, none of them had a huge change like Pistons.

Because, Pistons literally broke the losing streak or something last season if I remember correctly, we have literally seen them be a mockery and they ended up being 50%+ this season so far, that is not something I expected to see. I assumed they would be a little bit better, like get maybe five or ten more wins this season, but going from 14 wins to now having 21 wins at half of the season is a huge success.

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We also says that he is inconsistent, but in the last 5 games, he is unstoppable

Jalen Green is definitely inconsistent and that is one of his issues, but he is slowly growing into a star level player, at least at Rockets. They are second seed in West right now, and him, with a great center Alperen, and many other role players, they are really looking like a complete team and these days we do not really have that. These days most teams get either one or two superstars, and not that many good players aside from that, they just put quite bad players all around those.

Look at Lakers for example, I would say Lebron and AD are great, but nobody else is great on that team, Reaves is trying a bit, but honestly, they have like about 8 terrible players who would be at the end of the bench at Rockets. What Rockets does is that they do not have that kind of star mentality, they are a complete team, and while Jalen Green plays amazing, he is still not acting like he is the star and requires that kind of attention, they just want to play together, which makes them win games.

Still lots of room to grow for Jalen since he's so young that guy need to mature and provably that we could see more from him. Although we can see some inconsistency from him but the he is somehow unstoppable player if he star to heat up. Their roster is good but I don't think they have a good chance to win a championship this season. But let see maybe this young team would surprise us and see something amazing from them this season.

Nope Lakers have good players. Its just maybe they have problem with their rotation or system that's why those skilled player out there didn't step up. They just need to have a good break but unfortunately Lakers are so focus on Lebron and AD.

If last year we have Anthony Edwards giving us highlight reel dunks and pushing his team to the playoffs, now it's the time of our very one Jalen Green. Just funny though when him and Russ has some few conversions, Russ said that Green used to play in his AAU team, “Don’t Talk To Me Like A Little Kid”, Lol. But yeah, he needs more consistency.

Perhaps some pressure on him right now since he is been on scoring streak and now they've lost to the Kings. For sure they will bounce back after this L and I'm still seeing him getting back into the groove the next time against the low team Portland and then they have Pistons before going back to back against the Cavs and the Celticcs. So tough schedule for them.

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Quote from: Jating on January 16, 2025, 08:40:34 AM

We also says that he is inconsistent, but in the last 5 games, he is unstoppable

Jalen Green is definitely inconsistent and that is one of his issues, but he is slowly growing into a star level player, at least at Rockets. They are second seed in West right now, and him, with a great center Alperen, and many other role players, they are really looking like a complete team and these days we do not really have that. These days most teams get either one or two superstars, and not that many good players aside from that, they just put quite bad players all around those.

Look at Lakers for example, I would say Lebron and AD are great, but nobody else is great on that team, Reaves is trying a bit, but honestly, they have like about 8 terrible players who would be at the end of the bench at Rockets. What Rockets does is that they do not have that kind of star mentality, they are a complete team, and while Jalen Green plays amazing, he is still not acting like he is the star and requires that kind of attention, they just want to play together, which makes them win games.

Still lots of room to grow for Jalen since he's so young that guy need to mature and provably that we could see more from him. Although we can see some inconsistency from him but the he is somehow unstoppable player if he star to heat up. Their roster is good but I don't think they have a good chance to win a championship this season. But let see maybe this young team would surprise us and see something amazing from them this season.

Nope Lakers have good players. Its just maybe they have problem with their rotation or system that's why those skilled player out there didn't step up. They just need to have a good break but unfortunately Lakers are so focus on Lebron and AD.

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Quote from: beerlover on January 17, 2025, 07:32:04 AM

Quote from: Jating on January 16, 2025, 08:40:34 AM

We also says that he is inconsistent, but in the last 5 games, he is unstoppable

Jalen Green is definitely inconsistent and that is one of his issues, but he is slowly growing into a star level player, at least at Rockets. They are second seed in West right now, and him, with a great center Alperen, and many other role players, they are really looking like a complete team and these days we do not really have that. These days most teams get either one or two superstars, and not that many good players aside from that, they just put quite bad players all around those.

Alperen Sengun is a great center he is not matched against a strong center like Sabonis. He clearly intimated and out of the tempo during the first half against Sabonis. He got confused on how to defense and offense when heavily guarded by a strong center.

Although he is good in general and has a lot to develop as he is still young however he is still not on a caliber of a prime center like Jokic or Sabonis.

Rockets on their match today is a little shaky because they are just following the rythm of Kings. They don’t have a good defense on first half. They just awaken on the 4th quarter when it’s already too late but nice game to watch.

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Quote from: Jating on January 16, 2025, 08:40:34 AM

We also says that he is inconsistent, but in the last 5 games, he is unstoppable

Jalen Green is definitely inconsistent and that is one of his issues, but he is slowly growing into a star level player, at least at Rockets. They are second seed in West right now, and him, with a great center Alperen, and many other role players, they are really looking like a complete team and these days we do not really have that. These days most teams get either one or two superstars, and not that many good players aside from that, they just put quite bad players all around those.

Look at Lakers for example, I would say Lebron and AD are great, but nobody else is great on that team, Reaves is trying a bit, but honestly, they have like about 8 terrible players who would be at the end of the bench at Rockets. What Rockets does is that they do not have that kind of star mentality, they are a complete team, and while Jalen Green plays amazing, he is still not acting like he is the star and requires that kind of attention, they just want to play together, which makes them win games.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 16, 2025, 04:57:33 AM

Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on January 16, 2025, 02:31:55 AM

NO Joel Embiid for the Sixers and not just that. The support Center of the team is also injured.
Its a good win for the Knicks but with 6 points is not enough as i want to result.
Its a healthy Knicks versus a no tower Philly. im expecting more from them.

Not sure what you mean but it's balance matchup considering both Embiid and KAT are not playing for their respective teams, and by looking on the game stats, Maxey and Brunson both stars of their teams played well, the game went to OT and NYK managed to win the game, with PG and Oubre helping Maxey sixers didn't gave easily.

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I am looking for a great match-up tomorrow with the CAVS vs OKC.
But unfortunately the big man of the OKC is also not playing. CHET and Hartenstein are out!

Yeah, this is a great match-up, a revenge for OKC while for Cavs it will be a good step up to make a game edge from the current over-all standing, if Cavs wins again they will move to 35-5 win/loss while if OKC wins it, they'll be able to tie the stats with 34-6 win/loss as they are currently 33-5 leading the west side.

Yeah, it's a balance match up as both didn't have their best scorer. But we all know how deep the Knicks are compare to the Sixers. Although they have Maxey, Paul George as still not playing the way we should expect of him.

Unfortunately, the Thunder really played good defense and not allow the Cavs to score just like in their first match. So it was a blow out win by them and no one expect it as we are picturing a close game between the top two teams in the league. Easy game for SGA who scored 40 points, and he shows why is the leading scorer right now in the NBA.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 16, 2025, 02:22:56 AM

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If you had gotten the bet right, you would have made a very high profit, in the last 8 games the Nets have managed to score more than 90 points in each game, strange that in this game they only managed to score 67 points and the Clippers have remained consistent when it comes to scoring above 100 points in most of the last games they have played, I think that for this game, you were just very unlucky, these are the kinds of situations that don't happen every time.

That's true. I think it's because the Clippers defended well even though the game was already a blowout in the 3rd quarter. The reason behind this is Kawhi Leonard is still in there playing and trying to gain more minutes to prepare him for their next game. Well, that's what I thought, but he didn't play against Portland. He took one more rest. Maybe in their next game we will see him.

I thought the Detroit Pistons were going to keep their winning streak but the Pacers really did a good job at defeating them.

The hyped game OKC Thunder versus the Cavaliers is not that much fun to watch. I was really hoping for a close game, a Finals-like game against the two top ranks of their conference. But, that's not what happened. SGA is a monster, he started hot with his perimeters and continued doing it until its a blowout. The Cavs only got the lead in the first quarter and never got close again.

Pacers defeated the Cavs and they are the one who snapped their winning streak. However, they are still very inconsistent, there were games that they look likes a contender and beating good teams. For the Cavs vs Thunder, OKC rested SGA in the 4th quarter as they have a big lead already going into the last quarter. And the defense of OKC holds Mitchell again, although in their games, even tough Mitchell didn't score that much, they have Allen and Mobley who did the damage. But this time, the 2 big men of the Cavs only combines for 18 points. Also some kind of upsets as the King beat the red hot Houston Rockets.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 17, 2025, 01:04:19 AM

Quote from: Slow death on January 16, 2025, 04:46:14 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 16, 2025, 02:22:56 AM

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If you had gotten the bet right, you would have made a very high profit, in the last 8 games the Nets have managed to score more than 90 points in each game, strange that in this game they only managed to score 67 points and the Clippers have remained consistent when it comes to scoring above 100 points in most of the last games they have played, I think that for this game, you were just very unlucky, these are the kinds of situations that don't happen every time.

That's true. I think it's because the Clippers defended well even though the game was already a blowout in the 3rd quarter. The reason behind this is Kawhi Leonard is still in there playing and trying to gain more minutes to prepare him for their next game. Well, that's what I thought, but he didn't play against Portland. He took one more rest. Maybe in their next game we will see him.

I thought the Detroit Pistons were going to keep their winning streak but the Pacers really did a good job at defeating them.

The hyped game OKC Thunder versus the Cavaliers is not that much fun to watch. I was really hoping for a close game, a Finals-like game against the two top ranks of their conference. But, that's not what happened. SGA is a monster, he started hot with his perimeters and continued doing it until its a blowout. The Cavs only got the lead in the first quarter and never got close again.

Yes, I was expecting similar to their first game, wherein it was really close. But then again, this is payback for OKC and it looks like they take this game personally. As they humble the Cavs and win with a huge blowout, 20 point win.

SGA lead the way for the Thunder and they don't want to disappoint their fans, scoring 40 points. I think there's no doubt that his name should be in the discussion for the MVP for this season. And I do not know anyone can get close to him as far as offense is.

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Quote from: Slow death on January 16, 2025, 04:46:14 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on January 16, 2025, 02:22:56 AM

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If you had gotten the bet right, you would have made a very high profit, in the last 8 games the Nets have managed to score more than 90 points in each game, strange that in this game they only managed to score 67 points and the Clippers have remained consistent when it comes to scoring above 100 points in most of the last games they have played, I think that for this game, you were just very unlucky, these are the kinds of situations that don't happen every time.

That's true. I think it's because the Clippers defended well even though the game was already a blowout in the 3rd quarter. The reason behind this is Kawhi Leonard is still in there playing and trying to gain more minutes to prepare him for their next game. Well, that's what I thought, but he didn't play against Portland. He took one more rest. Maybe in their next game we will see him.

I thought the Detroit Pistons were going to keep their winning streak but the Pacers really did a good job at defeating them.

The hyped game OKC Thunder versus the Cavaliers is not that much fun to watch. I was really hoping for a close game, a Finals-like game against the two top ranks of their conference. But, that's not what happened. SGA is a monster, he started hot with his perimeters and continued doing it until its a blowout. The Cavs only got the lead in the first quarter and never got close again.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 16, 2025, 12:06:34 PM

I agree that keeping Zion is crazy. He's going to have injury problems his entire career because of his size, so I doubt he'll ever even give his team the opportunity to see him in the Finals, even if they somehow managed to get there. I'd be dumping him for whoever I could get on a long term contract if it were me, and I think Zion was potentially the best basketball player in the league...

Since Zion's current contract will expire only after the 27/28 season, I think Pelicans management will ~~suffer~~ be patient and keep him at least until the last season of his contract. After all, Zion is potentially a very valuable asset for any team, and it's understandable why the Pelicans management doesn't want to trade him yet, even despite his systematic injuries.

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Quote from: The Long Run on January 16, 2025, 12:16:22 PM

Quote from: bitgolden on January 16, 2025, 09:51:02 AM

There are still a lot of games left, most teams did not even play half of the games yet, so we have a lot of games left, deciding how a team is doing couldn't be right at the moment, we need to wait and see how they will finish the season. This applies to Warriors but it also applies to every other team as well. We need to wait and see how teams will shape and there are still trades possible, so we can't really know what's going to happen with what we have at the moment, we need to wait and see.

One thing I have in mind though, is that these players are getting injured too much, so instead of making the league start that late, they should reconsider starting early September, even late august, that way they could have 2+ months vacation, while also having 82 games played very spread, and could benefit them a lot. Plus it would be financially better too, and everyone would feel more rested and the league would gain a lot more attention yet again.

The finals currently go until mid-June every year, so "late August" would be way too early. Starting the regular season in very late-Sept or early October could possibly reduce injuries and create more TV revenue with featured games on the extra weekends.

I do agree, doesn't make sense to change the schedule, they even have pre camp that players got injured, or pre-NBA, that takes Chet out as he had a season ending that time. My point is as much as this players doesn't want to be injured, there are a lot of accidents that can happen to serious cause career or season ending injuries and I do not know if we can avoid it by changing the schedule to give them more rest and time to recover.

That's how the NBA has been, a grueling 82 games before the playoffs and then the finals. There are players who didn't get injured throughout their careers, but there are some that is really very fragile and can't adjust on the NBA style of play.

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I agree that keeping Zion is crazy. He's going to have injury problems his entire career because of his size, so I doubt he'll ever even give his team the opportunity to see him in the Finals, even if they somehow managed to get there. I'd be dumping him for whoever I could get on a long term contract if it were me, and I think Zion was potentially the best basketball player in the league...

The Suns have no choice with Beal except to send him to the Lakers. He has a no trade clause in his contract and already said LA is where he wants to be. This could help the Lakers get some assets to trade, but probably not considering they don't even have assets to acquire Beal. You can be sure with Beal wanting to go to the Lakers and Jimmy wanting to go to the Suns, the Heat/Suns/Lakers are definitely in talks every day.

You know sometimes, a player only unleashes his true potential once he got traded. I'm not saying that it will happen to Zion, but let's not be surprised if there will be some team out there that are willing to risk it all, get Zion and develop him to be a better player, and when I mean a better player, I mean a healthy diet. Cheesy

Like you, I don't even know why the Pelicans are risking it all and keeping him instead of just trade all of their star players and rebuild the team. I'm thinking that they will tank for this season to get a high pick in the next draft season (which is very stacked if you will ask me), and from there, they will trade all of their assets depending on the pick that they will be getting.

As for the Lakers, do you think that the Lakers are even interested in getting a player that has a contract of around $50M a year? Like what you said, the Lakers doesn't have assets to get Beal and if they will get Beal, that means they will sacrifice a lot of developing players like Hachimura, Reaves, and some role players as well. Beal wants to be a Laker, but the Lakers doesn't want him. As for Butler, I guess it would be better if other teams will just get him as a free agent next season. Less risky for them.

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Okay wait a minute... 126 TO 67!? That looks like one of the biggest gaps in a game I have seen in a long time, and not only that ,but I do not really remember the last time we had a team that scored only 67 points in a game. I know they are tanking and all, but 67 points?

In this space of NBA, to do something like that, you have to shoot so badly that you would have to miss shots that even I would have missed. Like at that point, you could randomly pick the most athletic 10 players from the fans, and just make them play, they would have as much of a chance to score 67 points as this team would. I always remember that "white mamba" story and how Scalabrine ended up beating randos, but 67 points? Feels like they were seriously terrible.

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Quote from: bitgolden on January 16, 2025, 09:51:02 AM

There are still a lot of games left, most teams did not even play half of the games yet, so we have a lot of games left, deciding how a team is doing couldn't be right at the moment, we need to wait and see how they will finish the season. This applies to Warriors but it also applies to every other team as well. We need to wait and see how teams will shape and there are still trades possible, so we can't really know what's going to happen with what we have at the moment, we need to wait and see.

One thing I have in mind though, is that these players are getting injured too much, so instead of making the league start that late, they should reconsider starting early September, even late august, that way they could have 2+ months vacation, while also having 82 games played very spread, and could benefit them a lot. Plus it would be financially better too, and everyone would feel more rested and the league would gain a lot more attention yet again.

The finals currently go until mid-June every year, so "late August" would be way too early. Starting the regular season in very late-Sept or early October could possibly reduce injuries and create more TV revenue with featured games on the extra weekends.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2025, 01:38:20 PM

A ton of interesting trades being talked about recently. I think the Miami Heat, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Lakers, & Phoenix Suns are all set to possibly make some big splashes in the next month. I’m hearing the Pelicans might dump everyone but Zion, the Suns might dump Beal, the Heat have to trade Jimmy, and Los Angeles is desperate for anything.

Everyone but Zion? Are the Pelicans' management crazy? I mean don't get me wrong, but ever since he's been a Pelican, dude didn't help the team at all. Yes, he has the potential, but he can't even make himself healthy for the whole season. I'd rather keep Murray and/or Ingram if you will ask me.

As for the Suns dumping Beal, they're just waiting for him to waive the no-trade clause, and to do that, they put him into the bench which is a bit experimental for them, but let's see how this will work with the team. I don't know who's interested in Beal though especially that ridiculous contract. The Heat will try and shop Butler, but the question is which team wants him? The Warriors don't want him anymore, and the Rockets aren't interested as well. If I'm Butler, I'd go with a team that has a huge cap space so that they can sign him to a max contract. Cheesy

As for the Lakers, whenever there's trade rumors, the Lakers are still on the list so... no surprise that they want everything, but the question is, do they have the assets to get what they want? Cheesy

I agree that keeping Zion is crazy. He's going to have injury problems his entire career because of his size, so I doubt he'll ever even give his team the opportunity to see him in the Finals, even if they somehow managed to get there. I'd be dumping him for whoever I could get on a long term contract if it were me, and I think Zion was potentially the best basketball player in the league...

The Suns have no choice with Beal except to send him to the Lakers. He has a no trade clause in his contract and already said LA is where he wants to be. This could help the Lakers get some assets to trade, but probably not considering they don't even have assets to acquire Beal. You can be sure with Beal wanting to go to the Lakers and Jimmy wanting to go to the Suns, the Heat/Suns/Lakers are definitely in talks every day.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 15, 2025, 01:38:20 PM

A ton of interesting trades being talked about recently. I think the Miami Heat, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Lakers, & Phoenix Suns are all set to possibly make some big splashes in the next month. I’m hearing the Pelicans might dump everyone but Zion, the Suns might dump Beal, the Heat have to trade Jimmy, and Los Angeles is desperate for anything.

Everyone but Zion? Are the Pelicans' management crazy? I mean don't get me wrong, but ever since he's been a Pelican, dude didn't help the team at all. Yes, he has the potential, but he can't even make himself healthy for the whole season. I'd rather keep Murray and/or Ingram if you will ask me.

As for the Suns dumping Beal, they're just waiting for him to waive the no-trade clause, and to do that, they put him into the bench which is a bit experimental for them, but let's see how this will work with the team. I don't know who's interested in Beal though especially that ridiculous contract. The Heat will try and shop Butler, but the question is which team wants him? The Warriors don't want him anymore, and the Rockets aren't interested as well. If I'm Butler, I'd go with a team that has a huge cap space so that they can sign him to a max contract. Cheesy

As for the Lakers, whenever there's trade rumors, the Lakers are still on the list so... no surprise that they want everything, but the question is, do they have the assets to get what they want? Cheesy

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There are still a lot of games left, most teams did not even play half of the games yet, so we have a lot of games left, deciding how a team is doing couldn't be right at the moment, we need to wait and see how they will finish the season. This applies to Warriors but it also applies to every other team as well. We need to wait and see how teams will shape and there are still trades possible, so we can't really know what's going to happen with what we have at the moment, we need to wait and see.

One thing I have in mind though, is that these players are getting injured too much, so instead of making the league start that late, they should reconsider starting early September, even late august, that way they could have 2+ months vacation, while also having 82 games played very spread, and could benefit them a lot. Plus it would be financially better too, and everyone would feel more rested and the league would gain a lot more attention yet again.

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And then this posterized dunk of Jalen Green,

We also says that he is inconsistent, but in the last 5 games, he is unstoppable,

34 PTS - 1 REB - 5 AST - 62% FG
42 PTS - 3 REB - 4 AST - 72% FG
27 PTS - 2 REB - 3 AST - 52% FG
29 PTS - 8 REB - 2 AST - 45% FG
33 PTS - 6 REB - 4 AST - 50% FG

And obviously he is the main reason and to everyone's surprises, why they are in the second spot on the Western conference, with a 5 game winning streak.

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