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February 22, 2024, 03:37:54 AM
I agree with everyone and I am missing those good old ASG games as well, but the game is not the same, so the result will not be the same either. You can keep saying that NBA had better defense as much as you want, but the reality is that it didn't, it didn't had that much of a great defense, it had some defensive rules that allowed harder defense to be made, but that also resulted with a lot more injuries as well. These days, defense is still being done, I guarantee you that any defensive player of the year in the past 10 years, could be taken on the year they won it, and put in the 90's and would be one of the best there too. We are just seeing entertainment, nothing more. If you want "real" games that is played tough, you can wait until the finals, that should be fine.

It's not even close.  You can't even hand check now.  The one rule I do like that they put in was sliding underneath a jump shooter after he shoots.  Countless ankles have gotten mangled from that dirty play.  But in general I think most of these tricky tack fouls have changed the game too much.  Last big man I liked to watch was shaq.  Dude straight mangled people in the paint lol.

They still occasionally hand check and refs are too stupid and can't decide if they want to blow the whistle or not, haha.
I miss the good old days when big trucks like Shaq, the mailman or David Robinson would power their way into the lane. Now it's all about looking fancy and shooting 3s.
I also miss the real trash talk. Now you are staring down your opponent and get a tech for it, when you complain about it you get another one and you are gone.
All these soft refs have ruined the game unfortunately.


We can't do much about it but to embrace the changes. It's not that the refs have become softer and softer, but the pace, athleticism of todays player, talents, and shooting abilities of the big men have also changed and I hate to admit it but today's player are much better than the old eras the except for the hard fouls and hard defense.
I think the NBA become soft because they want to protect their players, especially the superstars which gives them a good contribution to the league.
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February 21, 2024, 11:02:01 PM
I agree with everyone and I am missing those good old ASG games as well, but the game is not the same, so the result will not be the same either. You can keep saying that NBA had better defense as much as you want, but the reality is that it didn't, it didn't had that much of a great defense, it had some defensive rules that allowed harder defense to be made, but that also resulted with a lot more injuries as well. These days, defense is still being done, I guarantee you that any defensive player of the year in the past 10 years, could be taken on the year they won it, and put in the 90's and would be one of the best there too. We are just seeing entertainment, nothing more. If you want "real" games that is played tough, you can wait until the finals, that should be fine.

It's not even close.  You can't even hand check now.  The one rule I do like that they put in was sliding underneath a jump shooter after he shoots.  Countless ankles have gotten mangled from that dirty play.  But in general I think most of these tricky tack fouls have changed the game too much.  Last big man I liked to watch was shaq.  Dude straight mangled people in the paint lol.

They still occasionally hand check and refs are too stupid and can't decide if they want to blow the whistle or not, haha.
I miss the good old days when big trucks like Shaq, the mailman or David Robinson would power their way into the lane. Now it's all about looking fancy and shooting 3s.
I also miss the real trash talk. Now you are staring down your opponent and get a tech for it, when you complain about it you get another one and you are gone.
All these soft refs have ruined the game unfortunately.
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February 21, 2024, 06:45:37 PM
I agree with everyone and I am missing those good old ASG games as well, but the game is not the same, so the result will not be the same either. You can keep saying that NBA had better defense as much as you want, but the reality is that it didn't, it didn't had that much of a great defense, it had some defensive rules that allowed harder defense to be made, but that also resulted with a lot more injuries as well. These days, defense is still being done, I guarantee you that any defensive player of the year in the past 10 years, could be taken on the year they won it, and put in the 90's and would be one of the best there too. We are just seeing entertainment, nothing more. If you want "real" games that is played tough, you can wait until the finals, that should be fine.

It's not even close.  You can't even hand check now.  The one rule I do like that they put in was sliding underneath a jump shooter after he shoots.  Countless ankles have gotten mangled from that dirty play.  But in general I think most of these tricky tack fouls have changed the game too much.  Last big man I liked to watch was shaq.  Dude straight mangled people in the paint lol.
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February 21, 2024, 03:51:01 PM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.

In the case of Bucks, yeah, Giannis will be tested here specially in the playoffs, it's obvious that they are not the same team anymore. I mean they have added Dame, and it's good, but the chemistry is still in question right now. There are games that they look solid and championship team, but most of the time, they were defeated by a low caliber team.

And then they changes coaches in the middle of the season, and this could really help them in a bad way if they don't know how to keep on winning under coach Rivers. And assuming they reach the playoff, we all know that coach Rivers have history of choking.

Rivers has been getting hit pretty hard in the media this week. Especially after the JJ Redick comments. Add that to Dame leaving Giannis off his starting 5 if he could pick anyone and you have a recipe for some trouble brewing behind the scenes in Milwaukee. They have the talent to go all the way, but the chemistry needs work.
And there Pat Bev, defended his coach,



https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1760007741354193237

However, I don't trust JJ here, I mean he is in the media in the last couple of years, so he will have to make some controversial statement just to be on the spot light. And I think as far as doing his job? He is good. But we will see if Rivers can get back after the All-Star, fresh and restart everything for the Bucks. I do agree about the chemistry, it's a different team now, not like the same when they had their run on the championship a couple of years ago. So there's thing that Rivers have to work, not just their defense.
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February 21, 2024, 03:41:10 PM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.

In the case of Bucks, yeah, Giannis will be tested here specially in the playoffs, it's obvious that they are not the same team anymore. I mean they have added Dame, and it's good, but the chemistry is still in question right now. There are games that they look solid and championship team, but most of the time, they were defeated by a low caliber team.

And then they changes coaches in the middle of the season, and this could really help them in a bad way if they don't know how to keep on winning under coach Rivers. And assuming they reach the playoff, we all know that coach Rivers have history of choking.

Rivers has been getting hit pretty hard in the media this week. Especially after the JJ Redick comments. Add that to Dame leaving Giannis off his starting 5 if he could pick anyone and you have a recipe for some trouble brewing behind the scenes in Milwaukee. They have the talent to go all the way, but the chemistry needs work.
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February 21, 2024, 03:06:29 PM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.

In the case of Bucks, yeah, Giannis will be tested here specially in the playoffs, it's obvious that they are not the same team anymore. I mean they have added Dame, and it's good, but the chemistry is still in question right now. There are games that they look solid and championship team, but most of the time, they were defeated by a low caliber team.

And then they changes coaches in the middle of the season, and this could really help them in a bad way if they don't know how to keep on winning under coach Rivers. And assuming they reach the playoff, we all know that coach Rivers have history of choking.
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February 21, 2024, 02:54:37 PM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason.
This weekend was a break to all of them and Anthony Edwards did told that and they've just enjoyed it.

Nobody takes the all star game seriously anymore. I don’t blame the players for not giving it a good effort either. Nobody wants to get hurt during the game. It’s like playing basketball on vacation for them. I think they should focus more on 1v1 or skills challenges with winners of events getting a million dollars. That would have them competing and would limit injuries.
That's the reality for this past all star. An all star that has no defense, it's lovely to see how high the scores are but that's not what the fans like to see.

We're more into action with the set of balance of defense and offense. While these all stars are made for the players but they're forgetting that it's not all about the likes of these players but how they're giving back to their fans.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprise if soon there will be lesser audience when the all star comes because of how many were disappointed from this one.
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February 21, 2024, 01:48:25 PM
I agree with everyone and I am missing those good old ASG games as well, but the game is not the same, so the result will not be the same either. You can keep saying that NBA had better defense as much as you want, but the reality is that it didn't, it didn't had that much of a great defense, it had some defensive rules that allowed harder defense to be made, but that also resulted with a lot more injuries as well. These days, defense is still being done, I guarantee you that any defensive player of the year in the past 10 years, could be taken on the year they won it, and put in the 90's and would be one of the best there too. We are just seeing entertainment, nothing more. If you want "real" games that is played tough, you can wait until the finals, that should be fine.
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February 21, 2024, 01:34:32 PM
I do not even wake up for all-star anymore, I just wake up next day, watch the dunk contents, watch the three point contest, and on Mondays just watch the All-Star game itself. I do not even watch the full game on repeat anymore, I just watch the highlights and that's usually more than enough, I get bored even while watching the highlights so it is not like it is a good thing to watch anymore, not for me at least.

I have always been quite against the situation as much as possible and because of this I feel like it is going to not be all that crazy. Just assume that it is going to be something rough, so we need to end up with a good return one way or another, and we could maybe see it change eventually, hopefully they will figure something out.
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February 21, 2024, 11:30:04 AM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.

That's likely because the Bucks are struggling now, while the Sixers don't have Embiid anymore and might likely miss the remainder of the season. Their biggest rival now is the Miami Heat as they still can't figure out how to defeat this team. The last time they met, they were dominated and lost big time on their home court, and that's considering Jimmy Butler was out. You can't question Boston in the regular season since they are clearly dominating, but every team has its kryptonite, and it seems like the Heat were theirs.
TBH, I'm just hoping that the Celtics will win the title this season already.
I think they've been one step away from it for the past 2 years. Last season, they almost made an impossible 0-3 deficit comeback against the Heat. If only Tatum didn't get injured in the first minute of the game, the outcome might be different. 2 years ago, they were up against the Warriors in the NBA Finals, and lost in 6 games. Now that their roster is better, I'm hoping they can conquer the East, and win that title.

The Bucks are struggling, the Sixers might have some problems as well, and I don't see the Cavaliers as a competitor as well. The Knicks for me is their main problem just by looking at their new roster. As for the West, the Nuggets might be at the 4th spot, but they're still the defending champion, and nothing much change has happened to the team so I expect that they'll be the same as they were last year. Thunder? Timberwolves? Nah they're too young of a team to compete in the playoffs. The Clippers might have a better chance of winning at least.

I'm a Warrior fan, but I'm predicting that it will be Nuggets Vs. Celtics in the NBA Finals.
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February 21, 2024, 09:54:01 AM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.

That's likely because the Bucks are struggling now, while the Sixers don't have Embiid anymore and might likely miss the remainder of the season. Their biggest rival now is the Miami Heat as they still can't figure out how to defeat this team. The last time they met, they were dominated and lost big time on their home court, and that's considering Jimmy Butler was out. You can't question Boston in the regular season since they are clearly dominating, but every team has its kryptonite, and it seems like the Heat were theirs.
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February 21, 2024, 09:44:21 AM
Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.

Looks like most of the teams in the NBA don't need any additions to their rosters and they just gonna fix their rotations instead of adding more players to disrupt their chemistry, especially those star players. So far, the teams that we expect to reach the playoff tree are doing good and they also dominate the league this season like the Boston Celtics, I wonder if they could keep that up and make some more wins until the end of the season games. Also, they are expected to reach the NBA finals this year since the Bucks are likely to be choked because they chose an incompetent coach instead of adding more role players to help them win more games.
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February 21, 2024, 07:31:19 AM
I do agree, the coach is the first head to roll if teams are not looking good, except maybe in the case of Adrian Griffin, has a winning record with the Bucks, but still he was fired from his position.

So yeah, there's no security tenure for this coach, and it's like they really have to live day by day coaching and making the team great. And there are cases too that players might have demanded the management to fire this coach and hire a new one.
I know of someone who did that, and it was LeBron James. He was the reason why Coach David Blatt was fired despite having a good record. LeBron was criticized for that, but it turns out it was a good decision, as in that season, they won a championship under Coach Ty Lue. Also, there was a rumor before that LeBron wanted Coach Spoelstra to get fired, but the management didn't agree, and that caused LeBron to go back to Cleveland.

That's how big the influence of a superstar like him is. He won't be called King James for no reason, so you've got to accept the reality that a player could dictate the management of a team, especially in deciding who to hire as a coach, especially with the quality of LeBron, who is a special player.

A team could hire a different coach, as there are many coaches out there. They can learn to improve their coaching skills, but a player like LeBron already possesses that talent since he was still young.
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February 21, 2024, 06:38:09 AM
I do agree, the coach is the first head to roll if teams are not looking good, except maybe in the case of Adrian Griffin, has a winning record with the Bucks, but still he was fired from his position.

So yeah, there's no security tenure for this coach, and it's like they really have to live day by day coaching and making the team great. And there are cases too that players might have demanded the management to fire this coach and hire a new one.
I know of someone who did that, and it was LeBron James. He was the reason why Coach David Blatt was fired despite having a good record. LeBron was criticized for that, but it turns out it was a good decision, as in that season, they won a championship under Coach Ty Lue. Also, there was a rumor before that LeBron wanted Coach Spoelstra to get fired, but the management didn't agree, and that caused LeBron to go back to Cleveland.
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February 21, 2024, 05:29:10 AM
I just saw an interview with Trae Young where he said that Donovan Mitchell had the idea to save the all star game with an emcee. The way they do at Rucker Park in New York. I think guys would be pumped to hear an emcee commentating the game live for everyone. It’s the best idea I’ve heard how to save the all star game.

It could be a good idea, it could be as Rucker games are one of the most anticipated games by fans and we have seen NBA players on that field. But I guess it's that everything has evolved already, and we have to accept that fact.

Now it's all shooting from the logo and who's going to shoot the farthest, Dame or Curry or Luka. And most of the players are taking it the way it is, a All-Star Break. I think in the Slam Dunk they can still improved it by putting players that give us electrifying dunks in the the first half of the season. And not just taking someone, like in the case of Jaylen Brown or Toppin.
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February 21, 2024, 05:16:45 AM
Speaking of coaches, have your heard about the Nets coach Jacque Vaughn, being fired?

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Jacque Vaughn was fired as head coach of the NBA’s Brooklyn Nets and it appears his plan on moulding the team’s offensive identity around Ben Simmons may have played a role in that decision.

That is according to NBA insider Shams Charania, who claimed “multiple players” — including Spencer Dinwiddie and Mikal Bridges — had been “pretty vocal behind the scenes for months now about how the offence was running”.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/nba-2024-brooklyn-nets-fire-jacque-vaughn-as-head-coach-mikal-bridges-voices-concern-around-offence-built-around-ben-simmons/news-story/8d4abed8e28f888be0661c5b81c30954

So as a NBA coach, there is no security of tenure, even if the Nets give him a 4 year contract as far as I know, they still fire him as they don't like what the team is going this season. Really just sad how a couple of years ago, they have Nash as coach and with their own big 3. And then just for them getting KD, Kyrie and Harden, they gave up so many future picks and now we've seen that the risk didn't pay-off i the end.


That's the difference between a coach and a player because when a player suddenly doesn't play well after getting a huge contract, he will only be in the trading block. A good example of that is Jordan Poole, who wasn't contributing to his current team and still enjoying a good salary.

For coaches, they don't receive as much compared to the players, but they have no security as to how long they'll stay. I hope the NBA will change this because you never know what's the politics inside. At least give them some security since they aren't paid as much as some high-earning NBA players.

I do agree, the coach is the first head to roll if teams are not looking good, except maybe in the case of Adrian Griffin, has a winning record with the Bucks, but still he was fired from his position.

So yeah, there's no security tenure for this coach, and it's like they really have to live day by day coaching and making the team great. And there are cases too that players might have demanded the management to fire this coach and hire a new one.
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February 21, 2024, 05:04:18 AM
I have seen a good suggestion to make it better. I have seen that maybe it should turn into USA vs World players next season to make it fun, and I think that is a wonderful idea. Maybe during the game players may not act like they care, but after a few wins from one side, the other side will care about it a lot for sure lol. Think about a team with Luka, Giannis, Jokic playing together, those guys would represent their own flags on their jerseys as well, and they will do their best without a doubt.

And in return, USA players would have to care, because if they lose then they are already in the USA, and they wouldn't want fans to hate them. This is actually a good idea that will make teams fight again, they will play defense, they will try to win for sure.
I think that's a good idea also. Not perfect and not going to definitely save the all star but it sure can give an excitement. iI recent years, the games have turned into a ridiculous show. Everything has turned into a strange show where there is no contact, no struggle, no sense of competition. The nonsense has evolved into something completely different this year. 211-186 was a ridiculous score.

I am pretty sure the NBA will consider some changes after a lot of people aren't happy with what the All-Star has become. Even former NBA legends and players are also airing their sides which mostly aren't satisfied. It's just crazy, what the hell with the shooting, layups, and dunks unguarded even to the slightest level?

A Team USA against the world is another great idea. I think this was done before and they should do it again. I remember there was also Team Lebron playing against Team KD that then.
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February 21, 2024, 05:00:12 AM
These are the only names that came out before and after the All-Star event.

https://www.nba.com/players/transactions
So yeah, not much of a movement.


Unexpectedly, the Bucks decided to sign Gallinari, although there were rumors earlier that teams like the Clippers, Suns, and Bulls were interested in him. It's worth noting that his performance has worsened in recent years after that ACL injury, but I think he can still do something on the court and will probably be useful to the Bucks.
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February 21, 2024, 04:03:11 AM
I just saw an interview with Trae Young where he said that Donovan Mitchell had the idea to save the all star game with an emcee. The way they do at Rucker Park in New York. I think guys would be pumped to hear an emcee commentating the game live for everyone. It’s the best idea I’ve heard how to save the all star game.
Oh, another good idea. I like that too. Maybe a comedian would do good as an emcee.

Gone are the days when everyone is waiting for the all star. As if it's more than the finals of the NBA. Too many exhibitions we see and players are taking it seriously.

Now, it's not the same anymore. Too many players take it as something just for the fun of the fans and not with the players as if they're forced to be there.

The pride, glory and honor of being part of it is what most of the players have been wanting just to be part of it. But now, those that haven't selected to be part of it might just have some thoughts that they're glad they were not part of it.
I agree. That's why we should not expect too much so that we won't be frustrated if another bad All-Star comes. What Michael Malone said last year was already a wake-up call for the NBA management. They won't play defense anymore like it's just a show of their dunks and three-point skills.
I don't know if next time a player will be proud when he is selected by the people to join the event because it seems like so many fans are not happy with it anymore.
It's okay to have fun but it's better to show some competitive spirit in a sport especially when a lot of kids are watching. Now, it has become a tradition that they won't play hard during this event which has become the norm, and worse it is being passed to the next era.

Two more days until the return of NBA basketball. I think I’m going through withdrawals. There haven’t been many moves as far as signing players either. Hopefully the players return refreshed and healthy to make a run into the postseason. I expected the Warriors to make some signings or something. Weird there aren’t more free agents finding homes.
These are the only names that came out before and after the All-Star event.

https://www.nba.com/players/transactions
So yeah, not much of a movement.
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But probably the biggest attraction is going to be the Lakers versus Warriors game on the 23rd February. I don't think anyone is going to miss that game.

By the way, I find it a little interesting that in the last match, the Warriors were able to win even though Stephen Curry did not score a lot of points but the match before that I think he got 40+ but they still ended up losing that game.

Curry doesn't need to score that high when his teammates are stepping up. If I recall correctly, that was a back-to-back game for them, so he might be a little tired after playing so hard in the game against the Clippers. Unfortunately, they melted down in the 4th quarter and lost to the Leonard-less Clippers.

The last time they played the Lakers, the game went to OT, and they lost by only 1 point. The line was -1.5 for the Warriors at that time; this time, it's -4.5. Obviously, bookies see their significant improvement, making them a high favorite. However, the Lakers have improved since signing Dinwiddie, so maybe it will be a close game again. I'm hoping the Warriors will avenge their previous loss though.
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