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November 18, 2023, 01:18:12 AM
Rockets won 6 in a row and Clippers lost 6 in a row. Most people expect Rockets to win but I thought the exact opposite. This must be the game that both streaks are over. Rockets were close to win the game but Harden said the last word. He played like his Rockets days against Rockets ironically.
This Clippers should be in higher places, since that bad streak is over I believe they'll climb up fast. They promise so much with that roster. Harden is back to normal, Westbrook accepted his bench role, with Kawhi and George they should be in top 5 in the West.
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November 17, 2023, 08:20:20 PM
Watching this In-season tournament deal right now...just feel really odd.  Watching my Chicago Bulls facing off against the Orlando Magic.  The court is painted all red which is actually kind of cool. 

Might be one of the final games we see DeRozan, Vuc, Lavine and potentially others, so I'm going to try and enjoy it..but it is truly time to move on and they all could make for VERY nice fill in pieces elsewhere. Anti-up boys and girls, give my bulls some young talent!  Cheesy


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November 17, 2023, 07:35:44 PM
Caruso is definitely a must, it will help them, but in that case they are keeping AD, I mean they could just give some other players and get Caruso, that's not really impossible. They probably do not have any picks left, but that's why I said get some picks from OKC, or any other team really, if Chicago doesn't want players, Lakers could give the players to OKC and get picks and give that, that would still work, plus AD and you got yourself a whole team. I do agree that the ywon't get all three, and Derozan is getting older, so Lavine and Caruso together could be even better, but just one of these three doesn't seem like it would turn them into a title team, it would just make them slightly better, all three, or even two would make them quite strong. I really hope to see some big changes in the league, we haven't seen that much change aside from maybe Dame, that was the only one, and I am not sure how well that will go.
If the Lakers will pursue to make a trade with the Lakers, the best 2 players that they can get are Caruso and Lavine.

I don't know how they will make it without Davis being included in the trade package. Trading some role players plus some draft picks maybe, or include a 3rd team with the trade maybe. One thing's for sure though and that's LaVine is on the trading list already, and both already agreed on it. Getting LaVine on the team will boost them offensively because as of this moment, there is no player who's consistent offensively aside from Lebron. It's like him carrying the whole team "AGAIN" and he's f-ing tired of it already. If he will be using his Le-GM skills, he will do everything to get Caruso, and maybe LaVine.

As for the big changes, it already happened during the off-season, and at the start of the season, and that's the Dame and Harden trade. The next one will be at mid-season where we will see teams trading the players who aren't fit for their team. Speaking of not fit for their team, I remember a user here who is arguing that Jordan Poole will become an all-star, and might be a scoring champ. He's -16 on offense when he's on the court, and -15.5 in defense with a total combined of -31.5 (just saw it on YouTube). He can't handle the hype, he's trash, and he's all trash talk. He's becoming the next Dillon Brooks now. Cheesy
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November 17, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
Caruso is definitely a must, it will help them, but in that case they are keeping AD, I mean they could just give some other players and get Caruso, that's not really impossible. They probably do not have any picks left, but that's why I said get some picks from OKC, or any other team really, if Chicago doesn't want players, Lakers could give the players to OKC and get picks and give that, that would still work, plus AD and you got yourself a whole team. I do agree that the ywon't get all three, and Derozan is getting older, so Lavine and Caruso together could be even better, but just one of these three doesn't seem like it would turn them into a title team, it would just make them slightly better, all three, or even two would make them quite strong. I really hope to see some big changes in the league, we haven't seen that much change aside from maybe Dame, that was the only one, and I am not sure how well that will go.
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November 17, 2023, 07:17:25 PM
In a scenario where Lakers gave the farm, like all the picks they could possibly could give, AD and maybe some role players, and get Derozan, Caruso and Lavine, along with Lebron, I do not care who else they have left in that team, that four players alone would be more than enough to be a title contender EASILY. I am not saying they will, we all know that it would be very tough deal, Lakers could easily just trade away some players to get picks from third team, they could just knock on OKC's door, they have like 30+ picks in the next 7 years, they could just grap a few of them, OKC could definitely share some of it, and Lakers could use those along with their own picks they have and AD and role players, its not impossible, and one final push for Lebrons final ring would be possible. If not, this current team is barely playoff levels, would not win a title at all.

LaVine and even Derozan will cost some first-round draft picks which the Lakers do not have. AD in the last few years has been showing signs of being injury-prone, so it'll be very costly in terms of assets to trade him with those Chicago players.

OKC has a lot of future picks but I doubt they'll give up even a single first-round draft at the moment without receiving something worth it. OKC is getting better and it seems they are a serious playoffs team in the next few years. So they might only start trading their future first-round picks when some of its young players mature a bit. Or when someone in their starting position isn't compatible with the rest of the players.

DO the Lakers have any first round picks left? I mean they gave away a lot in the previous years. Maybe the next picks the have are in like 5 years or something.
I don't think they really need Lavine, they are ok at scoring, what they need is support from the bench and some defense. Lavine won't change that.
Getting Caruso back would be a good move for example. He is a solid defends, can be a spark on offense and already have a good connection to some players of the team.
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November 17, 2023, 05:57:03 PM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

They should be thankful because this is just the start of the season and they can still review and fix where they have gone wrong if they cannot win against some easy teams without Curry, then it would be hard for them to gather as many wins without exhausting their star players whenever they play and this will result in a high chance of injuries. They need to change their strategies obviously and I'm sure they will be able to develop some new hope to make their team a great competitor once again.

They had a promising start, and I thought they were for real, especially with CP3 on board and the trade involving Poole. However, it seems to be messing up the Wizards' chemistry now. Just like what we witnessed last season, their persistent lack of inside presence has been a problem. They're getting dominated inside, and to make it worse, their 3-point shooting has dropped significantly.

As we can see, the Warriors are now only rank number 7 in 3 point percentage.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-point-rate
Of course it is understandable even if the biggest stars have a bad game but Klay was desperately needed by his team and he just didn't perform at all. He should have stepped up more when he was needed. I don't expect Warriors can accomplish anything this season. Then maybe they will have a rebuilding(and get rid of Draymond hopefully). Warriors was a blast to witness in this last decade but every good thing needs to come to an end. Especially after seeing Poole also not doing so good(I know he was traded but still), I feel like time for Warriors is over. Unless something miraculous comes from Curry, I don't expect them to be good at all.

Maybe we can safely say that small ball era is already end since to many teams already find solution on how to defeat them so they need to adjust with current trend like getting big man who can defend on paint and can shoot 3s. If they continue to insist that small ball still working for them then for sure that they encounter huge defeat just like what's happening on their past games.

And they reall need Klay also Wiggins to step up since Warriors need offensive threat on rainbow country if Steph is out since if they can't do for sure they will be badly beaten by big guys on court since for sure they might struggle to penetrate inside.
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November 17, 2023, 05:12:11 PM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

They should be thankful because this is just the start of the season and they can still review and fix where they have gone wrong if they cannot win against some easy teams without Curry, then it would be hard for them to gather as many wins without exhausting their star players whenever they play and this will result in a high chance of injuries. They need to change their strategies obviously and I'm sure they will be able to develop some new hope to make their team a great competitor once again.

They had a promising start, and I thought they were for real, especially with CP3 on board and the trade involving Poole. However, it seems to be messing up the Wizards' chemistry now. Just like what we witnessed last season, their persistent lack of inside presence has been a problem. They're getting dominated inside, and to make it worse, their 3-point shooting has dropped significantly.

As we can see, the Warriors are now only rank number 7 in 3 point percentage.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-point-rate
Of course it is understandable even if the biggest stars have a bad game but Klay was desperately needed by his team and he just didn't perform at all. He should have stepped up more when he was needed. I don't expect Warriors can accomplish anything this season. Then maybe they will have a rebuilding(and get rid of Draymond hopefully). Warriors was a blast to witness in this last decade but every good thing needs to come to an end. Especially after seeing Poole also not doing so good(I know he was traded but still), I feel like time for Warriors is over. Unless something miraculous comes from Curry, I don't expect them to be good at all.
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November 17, 2023, 03:40:17 PM
In a scenario where Lakers gave the farm, like all the picks they could possibly could give, AD and maybe some role players, and get Derozan, Caruso and Lavine, along with Lebron, I do not care who else they have left in that team, that four players alone would be more than enough to be a title contender EASILY. I am not saying they will, we all know that it would be very tough deal, Lakers could easily just trade away some players to get picks from third team, they could just knock on OKC's door, they have like 30+ picks in the next 7 years, they could just grap a few of them, OKC could definitely share some of it, and Lakers could use those along with their own picks they have and AD and role players, its not impossible, and one final push for Lebrons final ring would be possible. If not, this current team is barely playoff levels, would not win a title at all.

LaVine and even Derozan will cost some first-round draft picks which the Lakers do not have. AD in the last few years has been showing signs of being injury-prone, so it'll be very costly in terms of assets to trade him with those Chicago players.

Yeah, I think it will cost more than just a player swap for the Lakers, and teams right now are also very intelligent to request first round picks if they are going to trade some of their superstars in this case Lavine and DeRozan.

OKC has a lot of future picks but I doubt they'll give up even a single first-round draft at the moment without receiving something worth it. OKC is getting better and it seems they are a serious playoffs team in the next few years. So they might only start trading their future first-round picks when some of its young players mature a bit. Or when someone in their starting position isn't compatible with the rest of the players.

That's their benefits when they have traded the likes of WB before and then some with CP3 and Paul George as well. And it seems that it has been paying off already, they have good picks recently and the team looks solid this season. They will have to just get the needed experience to go the playoffs to make this young player hardened and become tough players.
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November 17, 2023, 02:56:30 PM
Some interesting games on tonight all in season playoff games.  Interested to see how all this plays out.  As a knicks fan unsure how they proceed since they already lost to the Bucks.  I guess if they run it out and Bucks lose a couple or they are a top wild card they can make it?

For the wild card only the top two none group winning teams make it out.  What happens if 3 teams end up with the same record?  Since there isn't head to head how do they put two forward?
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November 17, 2023, 02:22:10 PM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.
That's why they need to find a solution for their team since if GSW will heavily rely on Curry then they will be in huge trouble for more games if Steph is out of the game. They already have those shooters so they should maximize this guy and make them play hard so that once Steph is out they have other guys to step up for them.

They are having a good start earlier but suddenly they fall short and I think they are losing some morale for current happening on their team.

I really thought earlier that they are fine even if Steph is out but SGA and the rest of the gang prove that they are not so easy and they give a huge problem to more stronger team then show how good their current roster this season.
I feel like in normal situations Klay will not play this badly, this was one of those worst games of my life type of situations for him and normally he will play much better than this. OKC got to have this win because Klay played terribly, they needed GSW to have curry out, draymond out and klay missing bunch of shots all at the same game to get this win, if GSW was full squad and playing alright? They would get an easy win without a doubt.

I think it is important to remember that Curry has always been the most important piece of this team, they got CP3 to make sure that their second unit was good enough, now using him as started because Curry is missing, when the time comes and they are all 100% healthy, they will be a great team.
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November 17, 2023, 12:46:56 PM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

Unless Stephen Curry is there, I think GSW is not a good team. The team has already been able to achieve success for years thanks to his energy, but now this situation seems to be over. Klay Thompson couldn't score any points, and Wiggins couldn't provide enough support. It was an easy game for OKC, they are playing well this season Smiley
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November 17, 2023, 12:24:25 PM
In a scenario where Lakers gave the farm, like all the picks they could possibly could give, AD and maybe some role players, and get Derozan, Caruso and Lavine, along with Lebron, I do not care who else they have left in that team, that four players alone would be more than enough to be a title contender EASILY. I am not saying they will, we all know that it would be very tough deal, Lakers could easily just trade away some players to get picks from third team, they could just knock on OKC's door, they have like 30+ picks in the next 7 years, they could just grap a few of them, OKC could definitely share some of it, and Lakers could use those along with their own picks they have and AD and role players, its not impossible, and one final push for Lebrons final ring would be possible. If not, this current team is barely playoff levels, would not win a title at all.

LaVine and even Derozan will cost some first-round draft picks which the Lakers do not have. AD in the last few years has been showing signs of being injury-prone, so it'll be very costly in terms of assets to trade him with those Chicago players.

OKC has a lot of future picks but I doubt they'll give up even a single first-round draft at the moment without receiving something worth it. OKC is getting better and it seems they are a serious playoffs team in the next few years. So they might only start trading their future first-round picks when some of its young players mature a bit. Or when someone in their starting position isn't compatible with the rest of the players.


I agree with you, I think OKC will keep their squad and will continue developing their young core
SGA as alpha and the rest will give him the support that he needs to continue being competitive.

Just allow them to grow together and hopefully they will learn from the mistakes that they made before, keeping the young core
and making sure to established trust and good companionship.
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November 17, 2023, 11:42:20 AM
NBA fines Paul George $35K for criticizing refs after Clippers' 6th straight loss
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We heard this kind of cry before and it came from Chris Paul back when he was a Clipper too but I never heard him fined with such an amount even if he talks.
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"I thought we played great," George said. "It's tough, the adversity of playing against the extra three [officials]. I thought they were awful. But, [against the] defending champs, we got to play better. There's a lot to be positive about. I'm not one for moral victories, but I thought we showed more of a sign of a team tonight that's close to getting it over the hump."
C'mon, that's just emotion pouring especially after a 6th streak loss.
This is the only time I heard PG13 talk like that and I doubt he meant it in a bad way. He has a point but the referees took it back by not calling that traveling that was too obvious and even the fans know that their hands are signing a traveling violation.
This is how referees do their work, if they miss one call on one end then they will try to get it back on the other end. I guess the NBA just wants to protect the official too and what he said might ruin their reputation so a fine must be done against PG13 just to make it straight.

I actually lost my bet there because of that. If the refs called it a travel then I might have covered my spreads for the Nuggets.
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November 17, 2023, 08:45:52 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

Warriors are in big trouble now, they could not pull a come back and OKC is still leading the game at the end of 3rd quarter. I don't think this undermanned team would be able to have a fourt quarter run to beat the OKC, you maybe right, OKC might win by 20+ points here. Kuminga is unexpectedly leading the team, what happened to Klay Thompson?

Yet Warriors manage to denied the 20+ score spread against them which many bettor might be upset with this result. I'm surprised that Warriors suffer with only this kind deficit against hype OKC while they are only playing with bench players and out of tune Thompson, CP3 and Wiggins. Warriors has no defense and offense with this kind of line-up.

They need Thompson to step up badly since he is the only one capable on shooting on the perimeter accurately when he is hot just like before.

We just hope he'll get back to his old form, but this season hasn't been going well for him. Klay Thompson is averaging 13.8 points per game, significantly lower than last season's 21.9. It seems like he has lost confidence in shooting, and I don't know what happened to him. Perhaps the side effects of sitting out a whole season due to his injury are affecting him now. It's not the best timing for him, considering he'll become an unrestricted free agent next year. So, he really needs an impressive season this year to secure a good contract.
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November 17, 2023, 08:18:53 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

Warriors are in big trouble now, they could not pull a come back and OKC is still leading the game at the end of 3rd quarter. I don't think this undermanned team would be able to have a fourt quarter run to beat the OKC, you maybe right, OKC might win by 20+ points here. Kuminga is unexpectedly leading the team, what happened to Klay Thompson?

Yet Warriors manage to denied the 20+ score spread against them which many bettor might be upset with this result. I'm surprised that Warriors suffer with only this kind deficit against hype OKC while they are only playing with bench players and out of tune Thompson, CP3 and Wiggins. Warriors has no defense and offense with this kind of line-up.

They need Thompson to step up badly since he is the only one capable on shooting on the perimeter accurately when he is hot just like before.
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November 17, 2023, 08:05:24 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

They should be thankful because this is just the start of the season and they can still review and fix where they have gone wrong if they cannot win against some easy teams without Curry, then it would be hard for them to gather as many wins without exhausting their star players whenever they play and this will result in a high chance of injuries. They need to change their strategies obviously and I'm sure they will be able to develop some new hope to make their team a great competitor once again.

They had a promising start, and I thought they were for real, especially with CP3 on board and the trade involving Poole. However, it seems to be messing up the Wizards' chemistry now. Just like what we witnessed last season, their persistent lack of inside presence has been a problem. They're getting dominated inside, and to make it worse, their 3-point shooting has dropped significantly.

As we can see, the Warriors are now only rank number 7 in 3 point percentage.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-point-rate
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November 17, 2023, 06:50:59 AM
In a scenario where Lakers gave the farm, like all the picks they could possibly could give, AD and maybe some role players, and get Derozan, Caruso and Lavine, along with Lebron, I do not care who else they have left in that team, that four players alone would be more than enough to be a title contender EASILY. I am not saying they will, we all know that it would be very tough deal, Lakers could easily just trade away some players to get picks from third team, they could just knock on OKC's door, they have like 30+ picks in the next 7 years, they could just grap a few of them, OKC could definitely share some of it, and Lakers could use those along with their own picks they have and AD and role players, its not impossible, and one final push for Lebrons final ring would be possible. If not, this current team is barely playoff levels, would not win a title at all.

LaVine and even Derozan will cost some first-round draft picks which the Lakers do not have. AD in the last few years has been showing signs of being injury-prone, so it'll be very costly in terms of assets to trade him with those Chicago players.

OKC has a lot of future picks but I doubt they'll give up even a single first-round draft at the moment without receiving something worth it. OKC is getting better and it seems they are a serious playoffs team in the next few years. So they might only start trading their future first-round picks when some of its young players mature a bit. Or when someone in their starting position isn't compatible with the rest of the players.
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November 17, 2023, 05:55:30 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

They should be thankful because this is just the start of the season and they can still review and fix where they have gone wrong if they cannot win against some easy teams without Curry, then it would be hard for them to gather as many wins without exhausting their star players whenever they play and this will result in a high chance of injuries. They need to change their strategies obviously and I'm sure they will be able to develop some new hope to make their team a great competitor once again.
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November 17, 2023, 03:49:17 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

That's why they need to find a solution for their team since if GSW will heavily rely on Curry then they will be in huge trouble for more games if Steph is out of the game. They already have those shooters so they should maximize this guy and make them play hard so that once Steph is out they have other guys to step up for them.

They are having a good start earlier but suddenly they fall short and I think they are losing some morale for current happening on their team.

I really thought earlier that they are fine even if Steph is out but SGA and the rest of the gang prove that they are not so easy and they give a huge problem to more stronger team then show how good their current roster this season.
Yes, same here I thought that the Warriors even as underdog have a big chance to win this game at home because they have still have the other half of the Splash Brothers. But it seems that Klay doesn't have a good start of the season. And we know that his contract is up, so he better produce big numbers so that the Warriors will have to retain him, otherwise, their championship core might break and this could be his last season if he doesn't have that numbers that they are expecting of him.

Steve Kerr will have to make a lot of adjustments right now if they will have a lot of players that is going to be in the injury list. There's so much hype with them when they got rid of Poole and get CP3, however, we can't see the injuries on Curry and Thompson's dismal performance.
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November 17, 2023, 02:57:00 AM
Easy game for Thunder. Warriors without Curry is already tasteless, they don't have Green as well. Klay plays awful and Payton is injured now. Warriors can only score with Looney and Kuminga, which is quite contradictional for them. Warriors can't compete against Thunder with only points in the paint. SGA started good, I expect an early Thunder win by 20+ points margin.

That's why they need to find a solution for their team since if GSW will heavily rely on Curry then they will be in huge trouble for more games if Steph is out of the game. They already have those shooters so they should maximize this guy and make them play hard so that once Steph is out they have other guys to step up for them.

They are having a good start earlier but suddenly they fall short and I think they are losing some morale for current happening on their team.

I really thought earlier that they are fine even if Steph is out but SGA and the rest of the gang prove that they are not so easy and they give a huge problem to more stronger team then show how good their current roster this season.
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