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June 08, 2023, 08:31:46 PM
I think it wasn't an "obvious" game, I think Miami could have won this if Denver ended up with just a few more misses. People see the difference and they think that's how it was played, but a few shots missing here, causes a bit of lack of confidence there, and Miami hitting couple shots making a player hot and get some more etc and suddenly you look at exactly the reverse in scoring. When the game is so closely played, even the big difference could be tricky and it could all change within a single quarter. This is why I wouldn't say that Denver was dominant as much as people think they were and I do not regret my bet at all. This time around I bet they will do better and I think its going to be a lot more fighting involved, Miami will not give up so easily which was their trouble, I bet they will do nicely.
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June 08, 2023, 08:26:28 PM

Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.

I expect a strong performance from the team because I have no doubt in their abilities, especially after their victory in game 2. Although they had a disappointing game in game 3, it doesn't necessarily mean they will have a similar performance in game 4. Therefore, right from the beginning, I'll be betting on the Heat to win, specifically by placing a bet on them to win the first half. If, by any chance, they happen to lose, I might consider doubling down on a live bet with the Heat moneyline.
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June 08, 2023, 07:32:53 PM
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The Phoenix Suns plan to waive veteran guard Chris Paul, according to a report from Bleacher Report/TNT’s Chris Haynes.

Shams Charania of The Athletic reports that a trade could also be on the table, along with potentially waving and re-signing the 12-time All-Star this offseason.

https://www.nba.com/news/chris-paul-free-agency-phoenix-suns

Ok, so after the firing of their coach, it seems the new owner is making a big chances on the player side as they waived CP3 already and obviously, wanted to clear some space so that they can get a new player. And if they trade him, might be interesting which team and what will be the trading package. Who knows, maybe he can play with Lebron? What's your thoughts?
They might just need the cap space because Kevin Durant is expensive and they have Devin Booker and DeAndre Ayton who are also being paid well.
Chances with Lebron? I don't think a team will agree with that. Two veterans in one team mean you will use a slow pace type of game which is not the norm in today's NBA. Even Jokic is trying to do fast breaks on his own.
Wherever CP3 will go is a big question. I have no idea what team needed a veteran point guard to increase their chance for playoffs, or not because for the last few years, CP3 is damaged by a lot of injuries, and worst, the timing of the injuries is mostly in the playoffs.

Great win for the Denver Nuggets tonight. The revenge was successful and just like I thought, that face of Jokic after Game 2 says it all. He will come back stronger and he inputs another triple-double together with Jamal Murray. A very entertaining game and I wish Coach Spo has some answers on Game 4. What's his next move?
I just thought though that it will be Ayton who might be in the trading block as we have seen his performance on the playoffs and he was outmuscled in any way by Jokic. And then him not getting the max rookie max contract from the previous owner of the Suns. But since Monty is gone already, (I think him and Ayton might have some problems) it might make sense that they will have to let go of their leader in CP3, who is getting older and perhaps become more a liability in a gruelling 80 plus games.

Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.
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June 08, 2023, 05:55:39 PM
That Jokic game was even more impressive than I thought. The numbers were crazy, ya, but I didn’t realize this was the first 30/20/10 game in NBA Finals history. To do it against a defensive specialist like Bam too… Crazy. Jokic is really showing that he should have won the MVP. I hate that the voters always give guys the MVP before they deserve it and then snub them later when they do deserve it because they already got one (or two).

That's just how it works when it comes to MVP.  The year Derrick Rose won the MVP I was sure as shit happy, but he didn't truly deserve it, Lebron did. But, I believe Lebron had won at least the one right before it, if not the two before his..so they simply wanted to give it to the young gun who came out guns a blazing saying "why can't I be mvp".  It was the best story line for the NBA and they are always going to lean best story over who truly deserves it.  IMO anyhow.

So many trade scenarios being tossed around all the sudden. Usually this would wait until after the Finals. I guess without a major superstar in this year’s Finals people are going a little crazy. I’m reading that DeAndre Ayton is as good as gone out of Phoenix and they’re trying to get Damian Lillard or Draymond Green and Jordan Poole in return. Phoenix sounds like they’ll be the first team making big moves.

You wouldn't call Jokic a major superstar?  I'm not so sure you can leave Butler off that list too after this season.  He was already right there, but this may have put him in to that conversation.
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June 08, 2023, 05:33:55 PM
So many trade scenarios being tossed around all the sudden. Usually this would wait until after the Finals. I guess without a major superstar in this year’s Finals people are going a little crazy. I’m reading that DeAndre Ayton is as good as gone out of Phoenix and they’re trying to get Damian Lillard or Draymond Green and Jordan Poole in return. Phoenix sounds like they’ll be the first team making big moves.
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June 08, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
That's sad news because they did really waive CP3. Well, who knows if his era is about to end but that's not what I am hearing from the rumors and the one that I'm hearing is about the Lakers eyeing him. It's possible that he gets to play with Lebron if ever he'll stay in the Lakers. I know that teams won't let it pass that if there's an opportunity to take CP3, they'll take him. He's able to help the Suns to get to where they've landed this season and that's commendable to him, he'll sure find another home.

Paul and James both have guaranteed contracts for next season. So my guess is that James will most likely stay with the Lakers, but Paul's situation isn't so clear-cut. I mean, Paul is quite an expensive asset for any team since his salary should be $30.8 million for next season. So if the Lakers really want to get Paul, it won't be an easy task for them because they have nothing to offer the Suns in such a deal.
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June 08, 2023, 01:22:52 PM
Let's see about that because it seems to me that the Lakers got their own plan to improve their roster next season. Even the rumored Dallas trade will not be happen because the Lakers front office already said that they are not interested about the offer, unless the Mavericks are willing to let go Luka in exchange for Lebron.
This season the Lakers have played well even though they didn't get maximum results but at least they have been better than the previous season.
It seems you are right that the Lakers will not be interested in the Dallas trade offer and I did read an update on this one rumor.
Luka is such a great player that it would be impossible for the Mavericks to just let him go.
If this exchange happened then he would lose quite a bit of power to his team.

Trading Luka just to get Lebron James is almost close to impossible even if we say that Lakers is adding another good player just to get the trade. The Dallas Mavericks already made an expensive mistake in getting Kyrie Irving and it will get more expensive if they will push this through because I know that LeBron is a one of a kind but the thing is, he is getting old and he is not really expected to do the heavy lifting in the team because of his situation. It's a wise thing to do for the Mavericks to forget about that trade and just see other options.
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June 08, 2023, 01:16:31 PM
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The Phoenix Suns plan to waive veteran guard Chris Paul, according to a report from Bleacher Report/TNT’s Chris Haynes.

Shams Charania of The Athletic reports that a trade could also be on the table, along with potentially waving and re-signing the 12-time All-Star this offseason.

https://www.nba.com/news/chris-paul-free-agency-phoenix-suns

Ok, so after the firing of their coach, it seems the new owner is making a big chances on the player side as they waived CP3 already and obviously, wanted to clear some space so that they can get a new player. And if they trade him, might be interesting which team and what will be the trading package. Who knows, maybe he can play with Lebron? What's your thoughts?

100%.  I don't know what lebrons future us but he has always wanted a true point guard and one with cp3s caliber.  Would be good for LeBron so he doesn't have to be the point forward anymore either to save on his wear and tear.  I can see cp3 in a Lakers uniform on a vet minimum contract.  At this point he knows his window is all but closed it cant be about money at this point.

I was just reading about this and I’m a bit surprised. Not that the Suns are getting rid of Chris Paul, he’s far from what he used to be and a terrible mentor because he’s a poor sport, but that they’re dumping him for nothing instead of a sign and trade. That basically means they couldn’t find anyone willing to offer anything for him. That surprises me a little. He’s free to play with Bron now though.

Or the Phoenix Suns just have another plan which is why they chose to rid Chris Paul instead of trading him to get a possible good player in return that could somehow be a good asset for the franchise. But I guess that you are right too because before publishing the news, I think it's safe to assume that they have already tried that scenario but nothing came back.
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June 08, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
We all have said that this match was going to be very important for both teams and both teams will also be very interested to win this match. But Nuggets got the advantage here.

Jokić and Murray absolutely dominated the match for the Nuggets. Jokić was very hard to stop for the Miami Heat. The Miami Heat will certainly need to rethink their strategy. They will also have to remember that they have to defend both Murray and Jokic. They cannot just defend Jokic and not care about Murray. And in the last match, we also did not see any defensive excellency from the Miami Heat as well.
I mean Miami got one at Denver too, so not like it is a 2-0 or 3-0 game, it is 2-1 only right now and the next game is at Miami as well. So we could potentially see another tie at 2-2 as well. If that were to happen I am pretty sure that it may go to 7 games as well. It would be a proof that teams are good enough to tie each other and not really dominate one over the other.

I hope that I will be right, I am going to bet the next game won by Miami and I think the one after that will be Denver, those are my two next bets, I do not know if it will happen or not, maybe I will be wrong but that is how it looks so far. I am pretty sure that people will not be certain what's going to happen until it happens so we just need to bet with our gut feeling on this case.
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June 08, 2023, 12:18:34 PM
Let's see about that because it seems to me that the Lakers got their own plan to improve their roster next season. Even the rumored Dallas trade will not be happen because the Lakers front office already said that they are not interested about the offer, unless the Mavericks are willing to let go Luka in exchange for Lebron.
This season the Lakers have played well even though they didn't get maximum results but at least they have been better than the previous season.
It seems you are right that the Lakers will not be interested in the Dallas trade offer and I did read an update on this one rumor.
Luka is such a great player that it would be impossible for the Mavericks to just let him go.
If this exchange happened then he would lose quite a bit of power to his team.

Or the Lakers is willing to let go of Lebron, I guess the contention is that we have seen Lebron and Kyrie do their handshake when they were still teammates and maybe that's where the rumour started. So it's interesting to see Kyrie being traded by the Dallas team in exchange of several players from the Lakers. However, it's more complicated now that we have heard that the Phoenix Suns is willing to let go of CP3 and so Lakers might be the first time that CP3 wanted to go because of Lebron. But we will see, for sure there will be other teams too willing to sacrifice and get the services of CP3 even though he is old.
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June 08, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
Let's see about that because it seems to me that the Lakers got their own plan to improve their roster next season. Even the rumored Dallas trade will not be happen because the Lakers front office already said that they are not interested about the offer, unless the Mavericks are willing to let go Luka in exchange for Lebron.
This season the Lakers have played well even though they didn't get maximum results but at least they have been better than the previous season.
It seems you are right that the Lakers will not be interested in the Dallas trade offer and I did read an update on this one rumor.
Luka is such a great player that it would be impossible for the Mavericks to just let him go.
If this exchange happened then he would lose quite a bit of power to his team.
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June 08, 2023, 10:56:33 AM

This means a 2-1 lead for Nuggets in the series of course which is an important advantage. Because Nuggets can use their upcoming court advantage really effectively. But even though Heat are a surprising team in this round they are still very dangerous. Nuggets need to continue to fight with all they have. Murray's help is crucial for the team as Jokic by himself has to carry the team otherwise.

Home court advantage isn't as important anymore because both teams have shown the ability to win on the road. With the series at 2-1, it will be tied if the Miami Heat can secure a victory in game 4, and I believe they will find a way to make it happen. Otherwise, there's a possibility that their journey will come to an end in game 5 on the Nuggets' home court. In this game, the Heat showcased their character, but they were simply outworked and outsmarted by the Nuggets. Similar to how the Nuggets made major adjustments after their loss in game 2, I'm confident that the Heat will also make significant adjustments to improve their performance.

Home court is as crucial as always.
Yes Denver lost game 2 at home, but they had the game under control and only lost because if a terrible 4th quarter.

Also, this was Denver's only home loss in the post season, so they own their home court!

Don't forget, Denver is called the mile high city.
A lot of NBA players stated they hate to play in Denver because of the high altitude. You can get gasses real quick if you are not used to these kind of conditions. So that gives Denver an extra edge at home.

What adjustments can Miami do? The only thing the can do is hit their shots. They shot bad in game 1 and 3, so they lost in convincing fashion. They shot well in game 2 and got a super close win. However you twist it, Denver will be (just as in game 3) the favourite to win game 4. And I think they will take a 3:1 lead back to Denver to close out the series at home.
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June 08, 2023, 10:39:03 AM

This means a 2-1 lead for Nuggets in the series of course which is an important advantage. Because Nuggets can use their upcoming court advantage really effectively. But even though Heat are a surprising team in this round they are still very dangerous. Nuggets need to continue to fight with all they have. Murray's help is crucial for the team as Jokic by himself has to carry the team otherwise.

Home court advantage isn't as important anymore because both teams have shown the ability to win on the road. With the series at 2-1, it will be tied if the Miami Heat can secure a victory in game 4, and I believe they will find a way to make it happen. Otherwise, there's a possibility that their journey will come to an end in game 5 on the Nuggets' home court. In this game, the Heat showcased their character, but they were simply outworked and outsmarted by the Nuggets. Similar to how the Nuggets made major adjustments after their loss in game 2, I'm confident that the Heat will also make significant adjustments to improve their performance.
Miami shot 11-35 on 3 pointers last night, 17-35 in game 2, and 13-39 in game 1. They lost games 1 and 3 with less 3 pointers going in, so that shows ya they live and die by the 3 in this series. They will need 15+ 3 pointers in each game to have a shot at winning along with Jokic and Murray to have poor performances. They need too much to happen for them to win the series. They won 1 game an d might win a 2nd in the series but I think that's it.

Exactly, Jimmy and Adebayo are both on point on this game but they are still short on this game which they should be winning already if they are against Boston. It only show how Nuggets overpower Miami Heat when both team is performing well. Good adjustment too for coach Malone for cutting Porter Jr. time and convert it to Braun since the young man shows a lot of effort in both offense and defense since game 1.

Imaging how the hell Porter Jr. will lose to Gabe Vincent on Jump Ball while he has a clear height advantage. He seems so lazy since his shot is always missing since game 2. He is also the reason why Nuggets keep losing on 4th quarter since the player he is guarding keeps making a shot since he is not defending. KCP might be the next to remove if he will not improve and switch to other players that very eager on defense since they are not helping anymore on offense. Murray and Jokic is it all.
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June 08, 2023, 10:21:14 AM

Coach Spoelstra though admitted that they lost a lot of the 50/50 battles which costs them the game. And it makes sense, Miami actually had 92 attempts but only made 34 compared to Denver's 41/80. The firepower and accuracy of Denver is just too much in this game but if Miami shoots better then they can still make this series close.

That's what they have to improve because they are supposed to shoot better at home compared to on the road. Although they remain the underdogs in Game 4, I trust them to win and even the series because Game 3 was a fully dominant win by the Nuggets. The Heat didn't even win a single quarter.

The undrafted players aren't playing well, unlike in Game 2 where Vincent and Strus were a big factor. However, in Game 3, they only tallied a combined total of 10 points due to a very poor shooting night.

Heat needs their productions, without them converting those shots, the chance of winning got lesser.

With poor performances from their role players, Bam and Jimmy can't handle the solid forces of Denver, especially if your two
main superstars are producing huge numbers that really bring the spark for the rest of the squad to work and help to whatever
extend that they can bring to the team.
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June 08, 2023, 10:10:26 AM
Anyone see this news?

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The Phoenix Suns plan to waive veteran guard Chris Paul, according to a report from Bleacher Report/TNT’s Chris Haynes.

Shams Charania of The Athletic reports that a trade could also be on the table, along with potentially waving and re-signing the 12-time All-Star this offseason.

https://www.nba.com/news/chris-paul-free-agency-phoenix-suns

Ok, so after the firing of their coach, it seems the new owner is making a big chances on the player side as they waived CP3 already and obviously, wanted to clear some space so that they can get a new player. And if they trade him, might be interesting which team and what will be the trading package. Who knows, maybe he can play with Lebron? What's your thoughts?

I'd say that it is already time to let Chris Paul go because even if he can still play and help the team, it's still not enough because he's already prone to injury especially when it comes to playoffs.

Aside from choking in every intense games, his body cannot handle the weight anymore to play in an intensive games where strengths and continuous practice is a must. It's time for the younger generation to be in the light and unfortunately, I think it's already too late for him to win a chip.

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Who knows, maybe he can play with Lebron? What's your thoughts?
Let's see about that because it seems to me that the Lakers got their own plan to improve their roster next season. Even the rumored Dallas trade will not be happen because the Lakers front office already said that they are not interested about the offer, unless the Mavericks are willing to let go Luka in exchange for Lebron.
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June 08, 2023, 09:54:48 AM
That Jokic game was even more impressive than I thought. The numbers were crazy, ya, but I didn’t realize this was the first 30/20/10 game in NBA Finals history. To do it against a defensive specialist like Bam too… Crazy. Jokic is really showing that he should have won the MVP. I hate that the voters always give guys the MVP before they deserve it and then snub them later when they do deserve it because they already got one (or two).
Jokic is already a GOAT without saying. Bam Adebayo was monster on that game too but it hasn't translated to a win even in their home court. I wonder now if they will let Herro play in game 4 but Martin was having a pretty decent minutes this game 3 but his stat really isn't that nice compare on what he played on the ECF. I think Jokic do really deserves that MVP if ever they finish this job with the Heat.
If Jokic gets help from his teammates and from bench like last game they will win the series. But there is a really big possibility that they will have a day off like game 2.
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June 08, 2023, 09:25:23 AM
That Jokic game was even more impressive than I thought. The numbers were crazy, ya, but I didn’t realize this was the first 30/20/10 game in NBA Finals history. To do it against a defensive specialist like Bam too… Crazy. Jokic is really showing that he should have won the MVP. I hate that the voters always give guys the MVP before they deserve it and then snub them later when they do deserve it because they already got one (or two).
Jokic is already a GOAT without saying. Bam Adebayo was monster on that game too but it hasn't translated to a win even in their home court. I wonder now if they will let Herro play in game 4 but Martin was having a pretty decent minutes this game 3 but his stat really isn't that nice compare on what he played on the ECF. I think Jokic do really deserves that MVP if ever they finish this job with the Heat.
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June 08, 2023, 09:13:24 AM
That Jokic game was even more impressive than I thought. The numbers were crazy, ya, but I didn’t realize this was the first 30/20/10 game in NBA Finals history. To do it against a defensive specialist like Bam too… Crazy. Jokic is really showing that he should have won the MVP. I hate that the voters always give guys the MVP before they deserve it and then snub them later when they do deserve it because they already got one (or two).
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June 08, 2023, 08:58:00 AM
To big challenges to face of by Heat organization since for sure right now they are struggling to find ways to guard up Jokic and his teammates because all of them is really successfully working on their role. For sure Nuggets will not drop the game 4 because they are eager to win their first championship on their organization this season.
It's not a struggle, but rather a matter of strategy. The Heat didn't necessarily need to completely stop Jokic, as he was truly unstoppable. However, their focus should be on limiting Murray, as they can't afford to let another player produce a monster triple-double performance like he did in Game 3. By limiting Murray's impact, they will have a better chance of winning. Additionally, their 3-point shooting should improve to enhance their chances of success.
It doesn't matter how we perceive it, but Jokic is undeniably a major problem for the Heat. Once he is near the paint, it's practically a guaranteed score because of his precision, and he remains composed even in physical games. There were instances in Game 3 where they allowed Jokic to shoot 3-pointers, and although his shooting wasn't consistently on target, he still managed to make some shots.

The challenge lies in the fact that Jokic is not only unstoppable inside but also dangerous from the outside.

The Heat need to exhaust him early, force him into committing fouls, and frustrate him. However, in that particular game, we didn't witness that strategy effectively implemented, and Jokic went on to produce another triple-double performance.

We all have said that this match was going to be very important for both teams and both teams will also be very interested to win this match. But Nuggets got the advantage here.

Jokić and Murray absolutely dominated the match for the Nuggets. Jokić was very hard to stop for the Miami Heat. The Miami Heat will certainly need to rethink their strategy. They will also have to remember that they have to defend both Murray and Jokic. They cannot just defend Jokic and not care about Murray. And in the last match, we also did not see any defensive excellency from the Miami Heat as well.
Jokic want to prove or want to tell us that this season is his era, means he is a very dangerous player cause not only in the inside Miami need to defend him but also in there point line becsuse jokic is a very good in three point line means he is very good in handling the ball and once he got doubled team then the ball can pass to Jamal Murray which is very good in there point line as well .
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June 08, 2023, 07:53:58 AM

Coach Spoelstra though admitted that they lost a lot of the 50/50 battles which costs them the game. And it makes sense, Miami actually had 92 attempts but only made 34 compared to Denver's 41/80. The firepower and accuracy of Denver is just too much in this game but if Miami shoots better then they can still make this series close.

That's what they have to improve because they are supposed to shoot better at home compared to on the road. Although they remain the underdogs in Game 4, I trust them to win and even the series because Game 3 was a fully dominant win by the Nuggets. The Heat didn't even win a single quarter.

The undrafted players aren't playing well, unlike in Game 2 where Vincent and Strus were a big factor. However, in Game 3, they only tallied a combined total of 10 points due to a very poor shooting night.
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