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June 09, 2023, 09:33:37 AM
We’ve reached that point where the NBA Finals could more or less be decided tonight. If Denver wins, they’re up 3-1 and in a position that only 1 team has ever managed to lose. With no LeBron in the Finals this year I think it’s safe to say that Miami has their back against the wall in a must win position tonight. I’m want them to lose, but wouldn’t mind seeing them extend the series a bit more.
If they extend the series by winning Game 4, there's a possibility that we will see a Game 7. That is the only way this series will become more exciting to watch because in every game, it seems like people believe the Heat have no chance of winning. However, the Heat have proven themselves by winning Game 2. If we have a Game 7, the debate will be settled, and people will have respect for the Heat, considering they can win on the road, just as they did against the Celtics in Game 7.
I think people already have plenty of respect for the Heat honestly. They are an 8 seed in the NBA Finals. They beat the Bucks, Celtics, and the Knicks. That's #1, #2, and #5 in the East. They also did more than half that losing 1 of their best players in Tyler Herro. They have earned some respect for sure at this point.
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June 09, 2023, 08:38:04 AM
We’ve reached that point where the NBA Finals could more or less be decided tonight. If Denver wins, they’re up 3-1 and in a position that only 1 team has ever managed to lose. With no LeBron in the Finals this year I think it’s safe to say that Miami has their back against the wall in a must win position tonight. I’m want them to lose, but wouldn’t mind seeing them extend the series a bit more.
If they extend the series by winning Game 4, there's a possibility that we will see a Game 7. That is the only way this series will become more exciting to watch because in every game, it seems like people believe the Heat have no chance of winning. However, the Heat have proven themselves by winning Game 2. If we have a Game 7, the debate will be settled, and people will have respect for the Heat, considering they can win on the road, just as they did against the Celtics in Game 7.
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June 09, 2023, 08:33:55 AM
We all have said that this match was going to be very important for both teams and both teams will also be very interested to win this match. But Nuggets got the advantage here.
Jokić and Murray absolutely dominated the match for the Nuggets. Jokić was very hard to stop for the Miami Heat. The Miami Heat will certainly need to rethink their strategy. They will also have to remember that they have to defend both Murray and Jokic. They cannot just defend Jokic and not care about Murray. And in the last match, we also did not see any defensive excellency from the Miami Heat as well.
I mean Miami got one at Denver too, so not like it is a 2-0 or 3-0 game, it is 2-1 only right now and the next game is at Miami as well. So we could potentially see another tie at 2-2 as well. If that were to happen I am pretty sure that it may go to 7 games as well. It would be a proof that teams are good enough to tie each other and not really dominate one over the other.
I hope that I will be right, I am going to bet the next game won by Miami and I think the one after that will be Denver, those are my two next bets, I do not know if it will happen or not, maybe I will be wrong but that is how it looks so far. I am pretty sure that people will not be certain what's going to happen until it happens so we just need to bet with our gut feeling on this case.

Well, I absolutely agree. It’s not like everything is over for the Miami Heat. But it is certainly a big setback for them. Miami Heat will have to be careful that this does not get out of hand and they will have to make sure that they win the next game. Otherwise, it will certainly look like going out of hand for the Miami Heat.

Jokic want to prove or want to tell us that this season is his era, means he is a very dangerous player cause not only in the inside Miami need to defend him but also in there point line becsuse jokic is a very good in three point line means he is very good in handling the ball and once he got doubled team then the ball can pass to Jamal Murray which is very good in there point line as well .

Miami Heat has a job in their hand. And this job is certainly going to be tough. It is going to be really hard for them to actually contain both Murray and Jokić. I think it is really hard. I also think that the best defense is offense. Maybe that is the way Miami Heat should approach.
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June 09, 2023, 07:38:42 AM
We’ve reached that point where the NBA Finals could more or less be decided tonight. If Denver wins, they’re up 3-1 and in a position that only 1 team has ever managed to lose. With no LeBron in the Finals this year I think it’s safe to say that Miami has their back against the wall in a must win position tonight. I’m want them to lose, but wouldn’t mind seeing them extend the series a bit more.
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June 09, 2023, 07:11:28 AM
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On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
If they had decided to call Tyler Herro back to play he would have 100% recovered from his injury.
I'm sure if Tyler Herro hadn't fully recovered from injury they would never have taken the risk of calling him back.
But even though he has recovered and everything is normal, Tyler Herro still needs to adjust his game again and cannot play as well as before.
Let's wait whether this surprise will actually happen or not.
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June 09, 2023, 06:32:32 AM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
I'm sure Coach Spoelstra will not allow him to become a burden to the team. If he does return, it doesn't necessarily mean he will stay longer if he is not delivering as expected. I would even be surprised if he gains plenty of minutes like he used to. It's the chemistry that matters now, and inserting Herro into the lineup is always a big risk. But, you know, as long as they know how to manage that risk, it's going to work.

I absolutely agree. At this moment it is all about risk versus reward. All they have to think about is that is it actually worth taking the risk. It is a big risk, to be honest. They will risk the team not having good chemistry. At least not at the best of what they can do. Herro is a good player. The thing is whatever they do they will have to decide fast. Because otherwise an already behind and the final will slip away from them. I also think that he should be playing, but if he is not doing good, then he should be taken off.


It is already confirmed that Tyler Herro will not play so there is no need to discuss about that matter any longer.  Grin

Also I have reasonable doubt he would actually be able to help. Playing the finals is a lot of pressure and coming of an injury being thrown back in the mix and having to deliver right away is tough on that stage.

Also you never know how the injury is reacting on the action, so it is much better to play it safe and keep him on the sideline.

Jamal Murray also has a minor injury in his left hand now, this might become a small chance for Miami.

Edit: Natalim was faster with the Herro update.  Cheesy
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June 09, 2023, 06:29:30 AM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
I'm sure Coach Spoelstra will not allow him to become a burden to the team. If he does return, it doesn't necessarily mean he will stay longer if he is not delivering as expected. I would even be surprised if he gains plenty of minutes like he used to. It's the chemistry that matters now, and inserting Herro into the lineup is always a big risk. But, you know, as long as they know how to manage that risk, it's going to work.

I absolutely agree. At this moment it is all about risk versus reward. All they have to think about is that is it actually worth taking the risk. It is a big risk, to be honest. They will risk the team not having good chemistry. At least not at the best of what they can do. Herro is a good player. The thing is whatever they do they will have to decide fast. Because otherwise an already behind and the final will slip away from them. I also think that he should be playing, but if he is not doing good, then he should be taken off.


Stop speculating about his return as it was already reported that he's been ruled out in game 4.

Tyler Herro (hand) ruled out for Game 4

So it's the same lineup that played in Game 3. The Heat just need to make a big adjustment in how they play to have a chance for a win. There's a reason why they are just a slight underdog. If people really thought they would be dominated again, the spread would not be +3.5 only; it should be higher than that. But regardless, this is the NBA Finals, and every game is very important, especially for the team that is behind in the series.
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June 09, 2023, 05:40:38 AM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
I'm sure Coach Spoelstra will not allow him to become a burden to the team. If he does return, it doesn't necessarily mean he will stay longer if he is not delivering as expected. I would even be surprised if he gains plenty of minutes like he used to. It's the chemistry that matters now, and inserting Herro into the lineup is always a big risk. But, you know, as long as they know how to manage that risk, it's going to work.

I absolutely agree. At this moment it is all about risk versus reward. All they have to think about is that is it actually worth taking the risk. It is a big risk, to be honest. They will risk the team not having good chemistry. At least not at the best of what they can do. Herro is a good player. The thing is whatever they do they will have to decide fast. Because otherwise an already behind and the final will slip away from them. I also think that he should be playing, but if he is not doing good, then he should be taken off.
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June 09, 2023, 05:28:23 AM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
I'm sure Coach Spoelstra will not allow him to become a burden to the team. If he does return, it doesn't necessarily mean he will stay longer if he is not delivering as expected. I would even be surprised if he gains plenty of minutes like he used to. It's the chemistry that matters now, and inserting Herro into the lineup is always a big risk. But, you know, as long as they know how to manage that risk, it's going to work.

Yes, it's going to be a big decision for coach Spo whether to insert Herro in the line up again, because as we have seen already, they starting line up is very effective already or at least his rotation that sometimes Kyle Lowry will start or Kevin Love.

And now that Herro is healthy as reported and maybe he wants to help the team. But then again, he may disrupt what the new members is already used to. But this is the finals so every bit of help is needed specially that they've lost the last game. So it's going to be a big decision for coach Spo whether to do it or not.
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June 08, 2023, 09:55:06 PM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
I'm sure Coach Spoelstra will not allow him to become a burden to the team. If he does return, it doesn't necessarily mean he will stay longer if he is not delivering as expected. I would even be surprised if he gains plenty of minutes like he used to. It's the chemistry that matters now, and inserting Herro into the lineup is always a big risk. But, you know, as long as they know how to manage that risk, it's going to work.
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June 08, 2023, 09:29:31 PM
=snip=
On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
That's a big question now, and it's likely the big surprise the Heat could provide if they bring back Tyler Herro. However, the question still remains: is he 100% healthy and capable of contributing his usual numbers before the injury? If he returns but struggles to make an adjustment, he may become a burden for the team, and it's more likely that the Heat will lose again.
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June 08, 2023, 08:54:04 PM

Another magic indeed.
I like how he started Kevin Love on Game 2, then, used Robinson to make more space for everyone. It worked big time, and perhaps he should look at the Game 2 tape again and see for himself what he did right that suddenly went wrong in Game 3.
Jimmy Butler should also be a provider for his team. In game 2 he had 9 assists while in Game 3 he only had 4. IMO, they didn't play as hard as the previous one.
The problem with the Heat in Game 3 is their 3-point shooting. They can't find clean shots because the Nuggets are easy to rotate on defense. That's the kind of adjustment the Nuggets made, and I'm pretty sure the Heat will not follow the same play they had in Game 3. The Heat will probably surprise the Nuggets in Game 4. However, in case the Heat lose, I'm not expecting a blowout loss like what happened in Game 3.

On the other hand, is it time to bring back Tyler Herro?
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June 08, 2023, 08:51:14 PM
So many trade scenarios being tossed around all the sudden. Usually this would wait until after the Finals. I guess without a major superstar in this year’s Finals people are going a little crazy. I’m reading that DeAndre Ayton is as good as gone out of Phoenix and they’re trying to get Damian Lillard or Draymond Green and Jordan Poole in return. Phoenix sounds like they’ll be the first team making big moves.
NO MAJOR SUPERSTAR IN THIS YEAR'S FINALS? Wait wait wait!!! Am I reading it right? Or do I need an eye glass to read it thrice?
Jokic? Not a major superstar? Butler? Not an all-star this season yes, but look at his performance during the whole playoffs. Murray? He really is an underrated assassin who can lift up his team if needed? Aren't they superstars in their own teams? I guess you typed it wrong, and you don't mean it at all. Smiley

Anyway, the Suns like I said in my previous posts are making a huge roster change, and they will build around KD, and Booker. They waived CP3 already, they will be trading Ayton for a better center, or they might develop Landale. I expect more changes in the Suns team in this upcoming off-season. They have a new coach in Frank Vogel who specializes in defense, so I expect more defensive players that are coming.


Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.

I expect a strong performance from the team because I have no doubt in their abilities, especially after their victory in game 2. Although they had a disappointing game in game 3, it doesn't necessarily mean they will have a similar performance in game 4. Therefore, right from the beginning, I'll be betting on the Heat to win, specifically by placing a bet on them to win the first half. If, by any chance, they happen to lose, I might consider doubling down on a live bet with the Heat moneyline.
They need to do something except for the Zone that they did in Game 2 that's why they won in the 4th quarter thus, winning the game BY 3 POINTS.

They have one of the best coaches right now in the league, so I expect many adjustments for this Heat team. They don't want to end up their home stint with 2 losses, or they will be out. Doubling down on Heat money line? That would be a good idea if the Heat have somebody that can stop either Jokic or Murray at the start of the game. Without that, I don't think that's a good idea. TBH, I will stick with Nuggets in 5, and it's a bold guess for me, but I might bet on the Nuggets in this one. Cheesy
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June 08, 2023, 08:33:44 PM
I just thought though that it will be Ayton who might be in the trading block as we have seen his performance on the playoffs and he was outmuscled in any way by Jokic. And then him not getting the max rookie max contract from the previous owner of the Suns. But since Monty is gone already, (I think him and Ayton might have some problems) it might make sense that they will have to let go of their leader in CP3, who is getting older and perhaps become more a liability in a gruelling 80 plus games.
Yeah, I thought so too but that's under exploration for now. Phoenix Suns new head coach Frank Vogel though has a different view, he is expecting DeAndre Ayton to have an important key role in their roster. They are still strong but a playmaker should always be available if they want Ayton to be more effective on the offensive end.
Without CP3, I doubt he can make shots on his own unless it's an open perimeter jump, but his post up game is not that good. The assists made by CP3 though is what made him look better. On my list he is one of the top centers in the league but he needs a pair and I doubt Booker will suddenly become a passer. Don't expect anything from KD too.  Grin
Let's see what Frank Vogel can do to change that, perhaps he has a big plan already written especially for him.

Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.
Another magic indeed.
I like how he started Kevin Love on Game 2, then, used Robinson to make more space for everyone. It worked big time, and perhaps he should look at the Game 2 tape again and see for himself what he did right that suddenly went wrong in Game 3.
Jimmy Butler should also be a provider for his team. In game 2 he had 9 assists while in Game 3 he only had 4. IMO, they didn't play as hard as the previous one.
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June 08, 2023, 08:31:46 PM
I think it wasn't an "obvious" game, I think Miami could have won this if Denver ended up with just a few more misses. People see the difference and they think that's how it was played, but a few shots missing here, causes a bit of lack of confidence there, and Miami hitting couple shots making a player hot and get some more etc and suddenly you look at exactly the reverse in scoring. When the game is so closely played, even the big difference could be tricky and it could all change within a single quarter. This is why I wouldn't say that Denver was dominant as much as people think they were and I do not regret my bet at all. This time around I bet they will do better and I think its going to be a lot more fighting involved, Miami will not give up so easily which was their trouble, I bet they will do nicely.
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June 08, 2023, 08:26:28 PM

Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.

I expect a strong performance from the team because I have no doubt in their abilities, especially after their victory in game 2. Although they had a disappointing game in game 3, it doesn't necessarily mean they will have a similar performance in game 4. Therefore, right from the beginning, I'll be betting on the Heat to win, specifically by placing a bet on them to win the first half. If, by any chance, they happen to lose, I might consider doubling down on a live bet with the Heat moneyline.
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June 08, 2023, 07:32:53 PM
Anyone see this news?

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The Phoenix Suns plan to waive veteran guard Chris Paul, according to a report from Bleacher Report/TNT’s Chris Haynes.

Shams Charania of The Athletic reports that a trade could also be on the table, along with potentially waving and re-signing the 12-time All-Star this offseason.

https://www.nba.com/news/chris-paul-free-agency-phoenix-suns

Ok, so after the firing of their coach, it seems the new owner is making a big chances on the player side as they waived CP3 already and obviously, wanted to clear some space so that they can get a new player. And if they trade him, might be interesting which team and what will be the trading package. Who knows, maybe he can play with Lebron? What's your thoughts?
They might just need the cap space because Kevin Durant is expensive and they have Devin Booker and DeAndre Ayton who are also being paid well.
Chances with Lebron? I don't think a team will agree with that. Two veterans in one team mean you will use a slow pace type of game which is not the norm in today's NBA. Even Jokic is trying to do fast breaks on his own.
Wherever CP3 will go is a big question. I have no idea what team needed a veteran point guard to increase their chance for playoffs, or not because for the last few years, CP3 is damaged by a lot of injuries, and worst, the timing of the injuries is mostly in the playoffs.

Great win for the Denver Nuggets tonight. The revenge was successful and just like I thought, that face of Jokic after Game 2 says it all. He will come back stronger and he inputs another triple-double together with Jamal Murray. A very entertaining game and I wish Coach Spo has some answers on Game 4. What's his next move?
I just thought though that it will be Ayton who might be in the trading block as we have seen his performance on the playoffs and he was outmuscled in any way by Jokic. And then him not getting the max rookie max contract from the previous owner of the Suns. But since Monty is gone already, (I think him and Ayton might have some problems) it might make sense that they will have to let go of their leader in CP3, who is getting older and perhaps become more a liability in a gruelling 80 plus games.

Knowing coach Spo who is the master of adjustments, for sure he might have to do another magic in game 4 to tie the series at least and not let the Nuggets takes a huge 3-1 lead.
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June 08, 2023, 05:55:39 PM
That Jokic game was even more impressive than I thought. The numbers were crazy, ya, but I didn’t realize this was the first 30/20/10 game in NBA Finals history. To do it against a defensive specialist like Bam too… Crazy. Jokic is really showing that he should have won the MVP. I hate that the voters always give guys the MVP before they deserve it and then snub them later when they do deserve it because they already got one (or two).

That's just how it works when it comes to MVP.  The year Derrick Rose won the MVP I was sure as shit happy, but he didn't truly deserve it, Lebron did. But, I believe Lebron had won at least the one right before it, if not the two before his..so they simply wanted to give it to the young gun who came out guns a blazing saying "why can't I be mvp".  It was the best story line for the NBA and they are always going to lean best story over who truly deserves it.  IMO anyhow.

So many trade scenarios being tossed around all the sudden. Usually this would wait until after the Finals. I guess without a major superstar in this year’s Finals people are going a little crazy. I’m reading that DeAndre Ayton is as good as gone out of Phoenix and they’re trying to get Damian Lillard or Draymond Green and Jordan Poole in return. Phoenix sounds like they’ll be the first team making big moves.

You wouldn't call Jokic a major superstar?  I'm not so sure you can leave Butler off that list too after this season.  He was already right there, but this may have put him in to that conversation.
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June 08, 2023, 05:33:55 PM
So many trade scenarios being tossed around all the sudden. Usually this would wait until after the Finals. I guess without a major superstar in this year’s Finals people are going a little crazy. I’m reading that DeAndre Ayton is as good as gone out of Phoenix and they’re trying to get Damian Lillard or Draymond Green and Jordan Poole in return. Phoenix sounds like they’ll be the first team making big moves.
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June 08, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
That's sad news because they did really waive CP3. Well, who knows if his era is about to end but that's not what I am hearing from the rumors and the one that I'm hearing is about the Lakers eyeing him. It's possible that he gets to play with Lebron if ever he'll stay in the Lakers. I know that teams won't let it pass that if there's an opportunity to take CP3, they'll take him. He's able to help the Suns to get to where they've landed this season and that's commendable to him, he'll sure find another home.

Paul and James both have guaranteed contracts for next season. So my guess is that James will most likely stay with the Lakers, but Paul's situation isn't so clear-cut. I mean, Paul is quite an expensive asset for any team since his salary should be $30.8 million for next season. So if the Lakers really want to get Paul, it won't be an easy task for them because they have nothing to offer the Suns in such a deal.
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