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February 22, 2023, 02:04:08 PM

Him for a bench player? That doesn't sound right at all hehe. I'm now curious about the contract they had which may justify signing a player to start from the bench. I've read that Pat had to choose between the Warriors and the Bulls. He chose the latter because he thought he could push for a playoff run. I don't know but that's kind of an aggressive statement. A guy like that wouldn't be satisfied

I doubt it will be long term.
They may just be operating an experiment here by acquiring PatBev. Just to let them know if they lack the defensive method or not.
It's possible thag theh both lack in both ends of the floor but had not realized it yet.
The combination of Zach Lavine and Demar Derozan doesnt work. Its all just a big fat lie and a trend when they went hot on the first 10 games.
Now, they need to win every game and I doubt it can be done even with PatBev around.
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February 22, 2023, 01:09:48 PM

Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.


He might be gonna used to preserve Leonard until they will gonna play in the NBA playoffs because they were in need of him back then and now he finally returned but they cannot use him in his full capacity as a player and that's where gonna be WB role to play and they will gonna test this and will let it be like that if he will gonna be effective for the team. If not, then they can experiment with him furthermore because the guys are still in shape to play intensive games that they really use to increase their defense especially when the game is close.

But I doubt that he can do that, I mean he is going to play instead of Leonard? they have been preserving him for a long time though, and the more they do it, the worst it can be. And that's why they are in the top 4 in the West because they allow him to play without any minutes restriction.

So I don't see the Clippers having that kind of mindset when they acquire Westbrook. He will be used sparingly as a point guard in my opinion because that's what he is known for. No need to experiment as well as we are already in the second half of the regular season, every game must count even if they are in the top in the West.

They need to bring whatever Russ can provide,

placing him in the point guard position is possible as Clippers traded Jackson
to Denver, giving him that space to play for the said position.

We can only conclude once we already see them playing together, right now, we are all speculating and providing our opinions
if how Clippers will manage to win games after acquiring Russ, expectation will be there when he starts playing.
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February 22, 2023, 09:24:55 AM
So the Chicago Bulls signed Patrick Beverly..and my only question about this is pretty simple...WHY?  I really don't understand that current state of my beloved Chicago Bulls.  It just doesn't seem like anything that they're doing lately is making any sense.  I was all in on Arturus when they hired him to be President of baskeball operations, and god knows anything would be better than Gar/Pax...but I just don't see his vision what so ever right now.  Again Patrick Beverly, no freaking thanks.
It's almost like a white flag.
The trade line opened and they are silent. Now, they took a bought out player and with so many options out there they choose PatBev. Not that I underestimate Pat, all respect for his defense.
But, is defense really what they need? They are struggling on both ends of the floor.
I think it is having to do with the fact that Lonzo is out for the rest of the season,........ All in all, PatBev would be a good bench player for them for this reason.
Understandable to find a replacement but probably not the likes of Pat Bev. Two different type of players.

Him for a bench player? That doesn't sound right at all hehe. I'm now curious about the contract they had which may justify signing a player to start from the bench. I've read that Pat had to choose between the Warriors and the Bulls. He chose the latter because he thought he could push for a playoff run. I don't know but that's kind of an aggressive statement. A guy like that wouldn't be satisfied
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February 22, 2023, 08:19:54 AM
So the Chicago Bulls signed Patrick Beverly..and my only question about this is pretty simple...WHY?  I really don't understand that current state of my beloved Chicago Bulls.  It just doesn't seem like anything that they're doing lately is making any sense.  I was all in on Arturus when they hired him to be President of baskeball operations, and god knows anything would be better than Gar/Pax...but I just don't see his vision what so ever right now.  Again Patrick Beverly, no freaking thanks.
It's almost like a white flag.
The trade line opened and they are silent. Now, they took a bought out player and with so many options out there they choose PatBev. Not that I underestimate Pat, all respect for his defense.
But, is defense really what they need? They are struggling on both ends of the floor.
I think it is having to do with the fact that Lonzo is out for the rest of the season, and there is a possibility that he could be out for good, his knees are gone just like Brandon Roy, anyone old enough to remember him would know that he was a great all-star level star of Portland, basically Dame before Dame, and he had to retire very early because of his knee injury, and basically the same with Lonzo who basically can't get any better for over a year now, and will be out for the rest of the season.

He will surely try to make a comeback eventually, but I am pretty sure he won't be able to, it is not going to work. All in all, PatBev would be a good bench player for them for this reason.
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February 22, 2023, 08:09:27 AM
Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.
Yes, Westbrook and PG have already played together before, and they had a good run as they always qualified for the playoffs. It's just sad that PG did not stay with the OKC. Now with the Clippers, if we look at their lineup, we can tell that they are a team full of firepower. However, just like other teams where we expected them to dominate, we cannot be too confident here. We just have to wait and see if they can develop the necessary chemistry to win.
At OKC, Russ and PG had a satisfactory season together. Even though Russ usually has the ball, PG was able to become more effective with his shots and was even one of the MVP nominees that season. He probably was not happy that he was only the second man and was performing as the best player on the team. The Clippers will make the most of Russ without compromising the effectiveness of Klaw and PG. Alternately, Russ will be seated on the bench. However, if Russ can keep improving as a shooter, he might make the starting lineup.

Probably he can give some quality minutes on the floor and he will be given more chance let's say closing a game because he has that experience. But we don't what him to be the closer like shooting from the outside as it might be painful to watch.  Smiley
Getting quality minutes from Westbrook is easy, but given that he is a former MVP, I think starting him is necessary.
Not on the off chance that Russ holds the ball for a long period of time making his teamates in the court including PG and Klaw to make space for him.
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February 22, 2023, 06:36:18 AM

Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.


He might be gonna used to preserve Leonard until they will gonna play in the NBA playoffs because they were in need of him back then and now he finally returned but they cannot use him in his full capacity as a player and that's where gonna be WB role to play and they will gonna test this and will let it be like that if he will gonna be effective for the team. If not, then they can experiment with him furthermore because the guys are still in shape to play intensive games that they really use to increase their defense especially when the game is close.

But I doubt that he can do that, I mean he is going to play instead of Leonard? they have been preserving him for a long time though, and the more they do it, the worst it can be. And that's why they are in the top 4 in the West because they allow him to play without any minutes restriction.

So I don't see the Clippers having that kind of mindset when they acquire Westbrook. He will be used sparingly as a point guard in my opinion because that's what he is known for. No need to experiment as well as we are already in the second half of the regular season, every game must count even if they are in the top in the West.
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February 22, 2023, 06:10:27 AM

Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.


He might be gonna used to preserve Leonard until they will gonna play in the NBA playoffs because they were in need of him back then and now he finally returned but they cannot use him in his full capacity as a player and that's where gonna be WB role to play and they will gonna test this and will let it be like that if he will gonna be effective for the team. If not, then they can experiment with him furthermore because the guys are still in shape to play intensive games that they really use to increase their defense especially when the game is close.
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February 22, 2023, 04:17:38 AM
Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.
Yes, Westbrook and PG have already played together before, and they had a good run as they always qualified for the playoffs. It's just sad that PG did not stay with the OKC. Now with the Clippers, if we look at their lineup, we can tell that they are a team full of firepower. However, just like other teams where we expected them to dominate, we cannot be too confident here. We just have to wait and see if they can develop the necessary chemistry to win.


Probably he can give some quality minutes on the floor and he will be given more chance let's say closing a game because he has that experience. But we don't what him to be the closer like shooting from the outside as it might be painful to watch.  Smiley
Getting quality minutes from Westbrook is easy, but given that he is a former MVP, I think starting him is necessary.
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February 22, 2023, 04:02:16 AM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

LOL, that strategy wouldn't work for the Clippers since it would be too predictable. Westbrook is still capable of shooting; he just needs to focus more on passing and rebounding. Of course, he should take the shot if he has an opening. With Westbrook's athleticism, he can easily draw fouls and get more free throws. His weakness is in jump shooting, particularly from beyond the arc, so as long as he drives the ball, that should work in his favor.

There will be plenty of adjustments that need to be made as the role Westbrook played on his previous team may not necessarily apply to his new team. It's important for the Clippers to utilize Westbrook effectively, especially considering the investment they made in him. With Leonard as their main star, as long as both PG and Westbrook can work together, I believe any issues can be resolved.

Russ and PG has work together in OKC, and so we already know if they can blend or not. And so it's hard to see how the Clippers are going to utilized WB to be honest, they already had offensive powers like Kahwi and PG and so the perfect fit will be for Russ will be where he is known off, assists department.

Probably he can give some quality minutes on the floor and he will be given more chance let's say closing a game because he has that experience. But we don't what him to be the closer like shooting from the outside as it might be painful to watch.  Smiley
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February 22, 2023, 03:50:22 AM
^^ I agree with Pat Bev's case with the Bulls,  the only thing that I can think of is having Pat's tenacity and intensity in defense because that's what they are lacking late in the game. They can stay with a team have a close game, but they usually choke because it seems that their defense are falling once they are in the last couple of games. And maybe adding Bev will get them the needed boost and experience playing defense on those closing minutes of the game. Maybe Bev can provide that as what he did to the Lakers.
Maybe. I hope so. It's not like one man can make a big change out of a team that had been playing at their worst this past few games.
And, it looks like Lonzo Ball won't be going back until the end of the season so a playmaker will be a better choice than a defender. Because they are playing individually instead of being a team and isolation games are not really a good choice of play right now especially if it can easily be defended. It's not like they have a KD who can score easily.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.
Man, that will be a difficult task for the Coach. Because once WB found an opening and there's no choice, he will undoubtedly shoot it and I know he can still shoot it. Actually, let him shoot more will be the better idea to bring his confidence back.
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February 22, 2023, 03:44:23 AM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.
LOL, that strategy wouldn't work for the Clippers since it would be too predictable. Westbrook is still capable of shooting; he just needs to focus more on passing and rebounding. Of course, he should take the shot if he has an opening. With Westbrook's athleticism, he can easily draw fouls and get more free throws. His weakness is in jump shooting, particularly from beyond the arc, so as long as he drives the ball, that should work in his favor.
He can drive the ball on the paint and if he pass it outside he can rely on George or Leonard or other shooters on the team. Though, I regret of letting go of Kennard, that guy is a good shooter they had though Batum, Morris, and Gordon are good behind the arcs too. I think Brody knows what he lacks or his weakness maybe he's just self centered or something and that's not a good one.
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February 22, 2023, 03:33:26 AM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

LOL, that strategy wouldn't work for the Clippers since it would be too predictable. Westbrook is still capable of shooting; he just needs to focus more on passing and rebounding. Of course, he should take the shot if he has an opening. With Westbrook's athleticism, he can easily draw fouls and get more free throws. His weakness is in jump shooting, particularly from beyond the arc, so as long as he drives the ball, that should work in his favor.

There will be plenty of adjustments that need to be made as the role Westbrook played on his previous team may not necessarily apply to his new team. It's important for the Clippers to utilize Westbrook effectively, especially considering the investment they made in him. With Leonard as their main star, as long as both PG and Westbrook can work together, I believe any issues can be resolved.

Maybe Russ already understanding that in his case he's the one who needed to adjust the time of his prime way back with OKC is not
longer applicable to his current state.

He needs to work in every possible way to blend with both Kawhi and PG, if they'll create the running
gun with these three 2-way stars, it can develop a deeper core for this franchise.
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February 22, 2023, 03:26:29 AM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

LOL, that strategy wouldn't work for the Clippers since it would be too predictable. Westbrook is still capable of shooting; he just needs to focus more on passing and rebounding. Of course, he should take the shot if he has an opening. With Westbrook's athleticism, he can easily draw fouls and get more free throws. His weakness is in jump shooting, particularly from beyond the arc, so as long as he drives the ball, that should work in his favor.

There will be plenty of adjustments that need to be made as the role Westbrook played on his previous team may not necessarily apply to his new team. It's important for the Clippers to utilize Westbrook effectively, especially considering the investment they made in him. With Leonard as their main star, as long as both PG and Westbrook can work together, I believe any issues can be resolved.
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February 22, 2023, 02:45:10 AM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

LOL, that strategy wouldn't work for the Clippers since it would be too predictable. Westbrook is still capable of shooting; he just needs to focus more on passing and rebounding. Of course, he should take the shot if he has an opening. With Westbrook's athleticism, he can easily draw fouls and get more free throws. His weakness is in jump shooting, particularly from beyond the arc, so as long as he drives the ball, that should work in his favor.
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February 22, 2023, 02:19:35 AM

I do not like it either. I think Mann is really doing good lately and he deserves to start with the Clippers. But I think WB role in the team was discussed during his meeting with Kawhi and PG. So, if they have agreed that WB will start, then that would be it. Hopefully, it will be a good decision.


It could not be a great decision for the Los Angeles Clippers to get a near-retiring Russell WestBrick, but right now I am seeing WestBrick making a great assisting play even though he is not scoring that much if Kawhi and Paul George have spoken his role for the Clippers then I think it is already settled and Russell WestBrick will surely debut for the LA Clippers on Friday,


This is Westbrook's last chance in redeeming himself and his NBA career. If he fails to deliver and help the Clippers and be a burden to a team, it might be the beginning of the end for his NBA career.

Forget about scoring if it's for Westbrook. The dude can't even shoot the ball. That's why he called Westbrick because he can't shoot the ball. Let the scoring be done by other players. They have Kawhi, PG13, Mann, Gordon, and some bigs as well that. I would love to see Westbrook to be a better player now that he's on a different team already. I'm a bit disappointed on how his career went down from the main star of the Thunder, to the 2nd best player in the Wizards, and he went to the Lakers, he's just an average player and worse, he became a bench player.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.
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February 22, 2023, 01:04:07 AM
East vs West wasn't any better than this neither by the last years, go rewatch the highlights of those games and you will see that this was actually done to make it a bit better, and it didn't work, got even worse but that's the reason why we have this picking style thing, and the whole new point system is a bit weird, I think it would be better if we just had regular points and not this system.

All in all, like doncic said, they don't want to injure anyone, and that is the reason why we are getting these pure offense stuff, all those wide open layups are things they all agreed upon, and not going to end up risking that unless we have some reason for them to do. There needs to be a very solid reason to make them play defense again.

I surely agree with the players and coaches that they can not afford to injure players mostly their main players for the all-star games because it will be crucial for them in the regular games, well that is why we are seeing just having fun players with style offense and yeah not much defense or maybe there is defense but players they mind giving efforts on defense so they are not  prone in getting injured but I really love the way, Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, play their part and slightly challenging themselves and having a great time,


I do not like it either. I think Mann is really doing good lately and he deserves to start with the Clippers. But I think WB role in the team was discussed during his meeting with Kawhi and PG. So, if they have agreed that WB will start, then that would be it. Hopefully, it will be a good decision.


It could not be a great decision for the Los Angeles Clippers to get a near-retiring Russell WestBrick, but right now I am seeing WestBrick making a great assisting play even though he is not scoring that much if Kawhi and Paul George have spoken his role for the Clippers then I think it is already settled and Russell WestBrick will surely debut for the LA Clippers on Friday,

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February 22, 2023, 12:28:38 AM
Maybe not a starter but if he can lead the 2nd team then it's still all good for the Clippers. As long as he can contribute and maybe if they are on the lead, preserve it while Kawhi and the starters are taking their rest. WB and Hyland, that will be a scary fast-paced game with both players attacking the rim.

Honestly, Westbrook is so lucky that he landed on this team and L.A Clippers has been doing great this season and with his addition to the team, I'm sure he can contribute more and push their performance into something new high-level play. If he can do well here, I guess this is their chance to play more aggressively and sufficiently to get through the NBA finals. I'm so excited to see what kind of roles he will take it that team and how will they look forward to beating the Nuggets, Grizzlies, and Mavericks.

You can never be sure honestly, Westbrook was expected to contribute with the LA Lakers and yet he failed our expectations. It's better not to expect so much, Westbrook does have the talent, the problem is the chemistry with his teammates, so hopefully, he will finally fit with the Clippers.

He might also get a problem on LA Clippers since Kawhi is there and George they are the primary option on the rotation of Clippers so I don't think Westbrook will still fit in that knowing that he used to be the main guy on the team. We already see his performance decline so bad on Lakers and this might go repeat in Clippers if he can't adjust on his new role. This is big challenge for Clippers on how they can work out with Westbrook if this deal will finalized.

Maybe it'll work out for the Clippers as they were always better than the Lakers since the Lakers decided to disband the championship team. The Clippers WB acquisition will either prove the Lakers were the problem or WB himself. Though there were changes with the Lakers offensive and defensive capability over their last couple of games, but that doesn't yet to show how the Lakers have been changed since the WB departure.
On the brighter end with WB this year, he just secure himself a playoff contender team, while the Lakers will have to work triple their way to secure a play-in spot lol.
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February 21, 2023, 10:50:27 PM
^^ I agree with Pat Bev's case with the Bulls,  the only thing that I can think of is having Pat's tenacity and intensity in defense because that's what they are lacking late in the game. They can stay with a team have a close game, but they usually choke because it seems that their defense are falling once they are in the last couple of games. And maybe adding Bev will get them the needed boost and experience playing defense on those closing minutes of the game. Maybe Bev can provide that as what he did to the Lakers.
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February 21, 2023, 09:35:38 PM
If I am the Clippers management I won't waste time and money looking at the 10 day contract. This could be the best solution they could offer.

Is he offered just a 10 day contract or 1 year veteran minimum? I am yet to see how long is the contract of westbrook from any reliable sports news.
No, I mean rather than looking for 10 day contract players, this is better with Westbrook.
I go with you, Clippers can use Russ better than Wall. He got the height and the quickness which can be a good threat for their offense but also with their defense.

Proper adjustments and good rotation might be the key once they started to bring Russ
with George and Leonard.

If all the stars will build good chemistries this Clippers team will have a good competitive
chance to chase for the title,.
Yeah, I agree. Steve Ballmer must be really happy now with the way his roster ended with good players. He got Gordon, Hyland, and Plumlee who had been aggressively contributing for the team. All they need is that little chemistry and they will be better. Strong starters plus strong bench, they are truly a championship caliber for this year.

So the Chicago Bulls signed Patrick Beverly..and my only question about this is pretty simple...WHY?  I really don't understand that current state of my beloved Chicago Bulls.  It just doesn't seem like anything that they're doing lately is making any sense.  I was all in on Arturus when they hired him to be President of baskeball operations, and god knows anything would be better than Gar/Pax...but I just don't see his vision what so ever right now.  Again Patrick Beverly, no freaking thanks.
It's almost like a white flag.
The trade line opened and they are silent. Now, they took a bought out player and with so many options out there they choose PatBev. Not that I underestimate Pat, all respect for his defense.
But, is defense really what they need? They are struggling on both ends of the floor.
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February 21, 2023, 08:07:55 PM
I think another Los Angeles team getting WB is already a slap for the Lakers, much more they are more of a contender that them.

But the problem is that Clippers is already loaded with talents, and it's funny to think that WB's once team, Reggie Jackson on OKC was once a Clipper and now he will replace him in somewhat in that position.

Not sure how he can spread the floor though, WB is know for his passing ability and not his outside shot.
More of a slap I guess, but it might be a win-win situation for both LA teams.
The Lakers got rid of the player who technically ruined the whole roster because of how many players the Lakers traded just to get him and on the other hand, the Clippers got a facilitator, an athletic guard who can be a good point guard still.

Clippers are already loaded with talents I agree because they have Kawhi, PG13, and an emerging big in Zubac, but the risk that the Clippers gave is minimal. I mean if Westbrook will not be a good fit for the team, they can just bench him and give lesser minutes and there's no burden with the team whatsoever because the Clippers are already good even without him. It's a win-win for both Clippers and Russ. The Clippers might got a very good facilitator and on the other hand, Russ has another chance to redeem himself "again" because he will (as per Woj) be a starter when he plays on a Clippers uniform.

So the Chicago Bulls signed Patrick Beverly..and my only question about this is pretty simple...WHY?  I really don't understand that current state of my beloved Chicago Bulls.  It just doesn't seem like anything that they're doing lately is making any sense.  I was all in on Arturus when they hired him to be President of baskeball operations, and god knows anything would be better than Gar/Pax...but I just don't see his vision what so ever right now.  Again Patrick Beverly, no freaking thanks.
They simply needed it.

I look at their roster, and I don't see any players there who is an elite defender (probably because they aren't popular). His energy inside the court might affect the whole team because looking at their last game against the Bucks, it seems like they are lacking of energy. Add also the fact that Ball will not play the remainder of the season because of the injury that he got before the season starts, they need at least a ball handler and Beverley can do it though isn't that good at it. Still a good pick by the Bulls for me.
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