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February 23, 2023, 06:09:55 AM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.

Westbrook has damaged his legacy with the Lakers. You can't blame the fans for having high expectations from Westbrook, given that he was known for being a triple-double machine. However, it turns out his shooting has been at its worst. He was only somewhat useful when called on in the second unit, so the Clippers should think carefully about whether to start him, or at least give it a try.

I cannot blame these bettors anyways. There's a reason why the Lakers have been trying hard to unload Westbrook even before the start of the season due to his declining stats. Westbrook is really not that bad of a player, but his $46 million salary this year made him bad. The Clippers made a huge gamble because if Westbrook performs well, they will have the advantage of re-signing him again and they can also let him go next season if he becomes unwanted. At least the Clippers' gamble is only good for a year although still very costly.
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February 23, 2023, 05:35:46 AM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.

Before many fans hope that Westbrook addition can make Lakers a title contender but unfortunately it not ended up well since he's performance totally decline there. That's why many doubt because many fans that he will became a liability of Clippers the same on what happen to him on Lakers. But if Westbrook proves that he's still the Mr. tripple double machine and can get back on that shape or maybe a little bit closer maybe his status on clippers will became different.
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February 23, 2023, 05:32:03 AM
Plenty of reports that are saying we won’t see Durant on the floor for the Suns until at least Sunday, with a debut next Wednesday even a possibility. I want to see them in action, but with Booker just back in the lineup I can understand why they want to take it slow. I’m glad I’ll be able to see Durant play a lot more. Maybe even in person.
Booker is still not yet in his full performance. He had been hesitating his three point shots and so do his midrange. Perhaps, they are giving him a chance to be back on track before they put in another assassin in the game. I want to see how Chris Paul will manage this two shooters, it's not like they all have a history playing together, in fact they had been trash talking years ago.
I envy you bro, I wish I could see Durant in person too.

True, it won't help any, not that Pat is a bad player, but trying to replace Lonzo in the middle of the season with him is not a good choice in my opinion. Anyhow, Pat is a native Chicago so for sure he will be embrace by the fans and not expecting a big change for them for the better.

They are deep in the standings at 11th place and it will need a lot of effort from Lavine and DeRozan to move them. But I don't see them in the playoff for this season.
A big no to me too, I'd rather let Coby White or Caruso do the ball handling, they don't make a lot of mistakes in that section. No LaVine too, I have seen him made a lot of turnovers by handling the ball, he should become their catch and shoot type of guy. DeRozan might be better at protecting the ball than him.
Problem with Caruso is that he is also injury prone, Coby White can do it, however, I'm not sure about him, most of the games he will do well, but there are times that he doesn't have that push or choking in the close minutes of the games.

So that is the biggest problem of the Bulls, when Ball got injured, there are no solid backup for him.

And now that he will be out indefinitely, I don't think that Pat can cover him.
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February 23, 2023, 05:24:55 AM
Plenty of reports that are saying we won’t see Durant on the floor for the Suns until at least Sunday, with a debut next Wednesday even a possibility. I want to see them in action, but with Booker just back in the lineup I can understand why they want to take it slow. I’m glad I’ll be able to see Durant play a lot more. Maybe even in person.
Booker is still not yet in his full performance. He had been hesitating his three point shots and so do his midrange. Perhaps, they are giving him a chance to be back on track before they put in another assassin in the game. I want to see how Chris Paul will manage this two shooters, it's not like they all have a history playing together, in fact they had been trash talking years ago.
I envy you bro, I wish I could see Durant in person too.

True, it won't help any, not that Pat is a bad player, but trying to replace Lonzo in the middle of the season with him is not a good choice in my opinion. Anyhow, Pat is a native Chicago so for sure he will be embrace by the fans and not expecting a big change for them for the better.

They are deep in the standings at 11th place and it will need a lot of effort from Lavine and DeRozan to move them. But I don't see them in the playoff for this season.
A big no to me too, I'd rather let Coby White or Caruso do the ball handling, they don't make a lot of mistakes in that section. No LaVine too, I have seen him made a lot of turnovers by handling the ball, he should become their catch and shoot type of guy. DeRozan might be better at protecting the ball than him.
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February 23, 2023, 05:13:41 AM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.

Perhaps it was due to him becoming a "journey man", yes, I know it's a harsh term for Russ but that's how his career turn out to be after OKC. For sure, many bettors think that it was a bad decision and same here in the community.

We can't conclude yet until we see him play and see how the Clippers will do in the remaining games.

But let's put it this way, they are in the 4th position right now, so let's wait till the regular season and see what spot they ended with Westbrook on their lineup.
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February 23, 2023, 05:00:57 AM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.

Yes most of them do, maybe because when they expected Westbrook will gonna help LBJ for another championship in the Lakers but instead he messed it up and he seem not to find his rhythms there. Now that he is in the Clippers, there is no hype for him anymore because they thought the same thing will happen to him there and he will gonna once more messed it up again. But I think it's not really good that we conclude his fate just because of how we see him perform in the other team, maybe he will gonna be different there because he will get to use his teammates and the coach will gonna use a different approach for him so that he will be effective inside the court.
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February 23, 2023, 01:39:18 AM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.

Westbrook has damaged his legacy with the Lakers. You can't blame the fans for having high expectations from Westbrook, given that he was known for being a triple-double machine. However, it turns out his shooting has been at its worst. He was only somewhat useful when called on in the second unit, so the Clippers should think carefully about whether to start him, or at least give it a try.
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February 22, 2023, 11:24:26 PM
LOL! Do people really believe that the Clippers will not benefit from acquiring Westbrook, and instead will struggle?

The odds should increase, not decline, but from what we are seeing, it seems like the bettors do not appreciate the decision of the Clippers to acquire Westbrook. Well, it's too early to conclude just yet. Let him play first, and then we will decide. As for me, I have a feeling that Westbrook will not be criticized with the Clippers; the opposite may happen.
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February 22, 2023, 10:52:18 PM
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I wouldn't call Westbrook as a superstar now, although he would be useful in most teams he's not even in All-Star level anymore.

According to @betonline_ag, the LA Clippers' championship odds got WORSE after the addition of Russell Westbrook.

https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1627784796759007234

That looks harsh. I think he will be a good addition to the Clippers. I don't think they are better than Denver or Memphis in the West anyway, with or without Westbrook.
It seems like how he played in the Lakers really had an effect on to which team he will land, eh? Cheesy
Many believe that he will be a burden to the team that will sign him thus, the odds got worse. Too harsh indeed, but that's how bettors see him. A burden to a team.

Anyway, many "analysts" are thinking that he will be a good fit for the team. Well, on paper he is, but the question is how he be fit for a team that's really good already even without him. Compare to Denver, they are miles away from them, but against Memphis, they have a shot TBH. The Grizzlies aren't playing well on their last games and that might continue in the remaining games. Anyway, I think Westbrook knows that this is his only opportunity to redeem himself, so he will not waste it.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

What kind of strategy is that? WB is not Ben Simmons. He is still good for 15 Points, 6 rebounds per game. He is not afraid to shoot and that is a good thing. He is still 41 FG%. Clippers have a good roster of shooters and that will open up the lane for WB to drive hard into the basket, which is his bread and butter. Maybe he can take less 3's since there are other outside shooters in the Clippers but WB is still good for perimeter shots. 
Nope I'm not saying that Westbrook = Simmons, and do you think Westbrook will not shoot the ball?
Yes he will because he knows that he can shoot. Only the haters think that he can't. I know that he can shoot the ball as well. It's just that, he is better when he focuses more on playmaking, and passing rather than being more offensive, and make shots.
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February 22, 2023, 07:37:53 PM
Plenty of reports that are saying we won’t see Durant on the floor for the Suns until at least Sunday, with a debut next Wednesday even a possibility. I want to see them in action, but with Booker just back in the lineup I can understand why they want to take it slow. I’m glad I’ll be able to see Durant play a lot more. Maybe even in person.
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February 22, 2023, 06:46:46 PM
I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

What kind of strategy is that? WB is not Ben Simmons. He is still good for 15 Points, 6 rebounds per game. He is not afraid to shoot and that is a good thing. He is still 41 FG%. Clippers have a good roster of shooters and that will open up the lane for WB to drive hard into the basket, which is his bread and butter. Maybe he can take less 3's since there are other outside shooters in the Clippers but WB is still good for perimeter shots.

Probably he can give some quality minutes on the floor and he will be given more chance let's say closing a game because he has that experience. But we don't what him to be the closer like shooting from the outside as it might be painful to watch.  Smiley
Getting quality minutes from Westbrook is easy, but given that he is a former MVP, I think starting him is necessary.

I don't think so. It will depend on his performance. I think it is better to start Mann and let WB come from the bench. Being a former MVP does not translate to an automatic starter. If he can show that he deserves to start then I believe the coach will start him. Ty Lue is experienced enough to handle Westbrook.
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February 22, 2023, 06:13:27 PM

I do not like it either. I think Mann is really doing good lately and he deserves to start with the Clippers. But I think WB role in the team was discussed during his meeting with Kawhi and PG. So, if they have agreed that WB will start, then that would be it. Hopefully, it will be a good decision.


It could not be a great decision for the Los Angeles Clippers to get a near-retiring Russell WestBrick, but right now I am seeing WestBrick making a great assisting play even though he is not scoring that much if Kawhi and Paul George have spoken his role for the Clippers then I think it is already settled and Russell WestBrick will surely debut for the LA Clippers on Friday,


This is Westbrook's last chance in redeeming himself and his NBA career. If he fails to deliver and help the Clippers and be a burden to a team, it might be the beginning of the end for his NBA career.

Forget about scoring if it's for Westbrook. The dude can't even shoot the ball. That's why he called Westbrick because he can't shoot the ball. Let the scoring be done by other players. They have Kawhi, PG13, Mann, Gordon, and some bigs as well that. I would love to see Westbrook to be a better player now that he's on a different team already. I'm a bit disappointed on how his career went down from the main star of the Thunder, to the 2nd best player in the Wizards, and he went to the Lakers, he's just an average player and worse, he became a bench player.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

I guess there's only one way left to find out and that is to see him playing with the Clippers with the likes of PG and Kawhi who is surely the baller and the alphas of the team. Adding Westbrook to the team may have a difference this time but his role will be the same and that is to give space and assist, just hopefully, this time he can do correctly because I agree, this will be his last chance to redeem himself. If not, then it's safe to assume that he will be in free agency with no teams getting interested.

Yes, coach Ty Lue has a big burden now, hehehe, he has 3 superstars and he needs to balance everything and see where Westbrook will fit in the Clippers rotation. He will be more fitting for that role, being the point guard and distributing the ball the way he did before.

He will still have the full reason to rectify and make himself look good and maybe he will be extended by the Clippers over next season. So he knows what is in stake with his new team and he should take that responsibility to help and contribute.

Problem with this does Westbrook can accept his new role? He might struggle to be the third guy in the team but for him to prove to that he can adjust for betterment of the team and shut up his many haters he need to accept what his new role so that he can blend well in Clippers.

Westbrook has so many things to prove since if he still fail on Clippers people will laugh at him and might he will not have a trade value anymore since many team might avoid him.
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February 22, 2023, 05:59:01 PM
Yes, coach Ty Lue has a big burden now, hehehe, he has 3 superstars and he needs to balance everything and see where Westbrook will fit in the Clippers rotation. He will be more fitting for that role, being the point guard and distributing the ball the way he did before.

He will still have the full reason to rectify and make himself look good and maybe he will be extended by the Clippers over next season. So he knows what is in stake with his new team and he should take that responsibility to help and contribute.

I wouldn't call Westbrook as a superstar now, although he would be useful in most teams he's not even in All-Star level anymore.

According to @betonline_ag, the LA Clippers' championship odds got WORSE after the addition of Russell Westbrook.

https://twitter.com/TomerAzarly/status/1627784796759007234

That looks harsh. I think he will be a good addition to the Clippers. I don't think they are better than Denver or Memphis in the West anyway, with or without Westbrook.
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February 22, 2023, 05:24:39 PM

I do not like it either. I think Mann is really doing good lately and he deserves to start with the Clippers. But I think WB role in the team was discussed during his meeting with Kawhi and PG. So, if they have agreed that WB will start, then that would be it. Hopefully, it will be a good decision.


It could not be a great decision for the Los Angeles Clippers to get a near-retiring Russell WestBrick, but right now I am seeing WestBrick making a great assisting play even though he is not scoring that much if Kawhi and Paul George have spoken his role for the Clippers then I think it is already settled and Russell WestBrick will surely debut for the LA Clippers on Friday,


This is Westbrook's last chance in redeeming himself and his NBA career. If he fails to deliver and help the Clippers and be a burden to a team, it might be the beginning of the end for his NBA career.

Forget about scoring if it's for Westbrook. The dude can't even shoot the ball. That's why he called Westbrick because he can't shoot the ball. Let the scoring be done by other players. They have Kawhi, PG13, Mann, Gordon, and some bigs as well that. I would love to see Westbrook to be a better player now that he's on a different team already. I'm a bit disappointed on how his career went down from the main star of the Thunder, to the 2nd best player in the Wizards, and he went to the Lakers, he's just an average player and worse, he became a bench player.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

I guess there's only one way left to find out and that is to see him playing with the Clippers with the likes of PG and Kawhi who is surely the baller and the alphas of the team. Adding Westbrook to the team may have a difference this time but his role will be the same and that is to give space and assist, just hopefully, this time he can do correctly because I agree, this will be his last chance to redeem himself. If not, then it's safe to assume that he will be in free agency with no teams getting interested.

Yes, coach Ty Lue has a big burden now, hehehe, he has 3 superstars and he needs to balance everything and see where Westbrook will fit in the Clippers rotation. He will be more fitting for that role, being the point guard and distributing the ball the way he did before.

He will still have the full reason to rectify and make himself look good and maybe he will be extended by the Clippers over next season. So he knows what is in stake with his new team and he should take that responsibility to help and contribute.
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February 22, 2023, 03:49:15 PM
Him for a bench player? That doesn't sound right at all hehe. I'm now curious about the contract they had which may justify signing a player to start from the bench. I've read that Pat had to choose between the Warriors and the Bulls. He chose the latter because he thought he could push for a playoff run. I don't know but that's kind of an aggressive statement. A guy like that wouldn't be satisfied

I doubt it will be long term.
They may just be operating an experiment here by acquiring PatBev. Just to let them know if they lack the defensive method or not.
It's possible thag theh both lack in both ends of the floor but had not realized it yet.
The combination of Zach Lavine and Demar Derozan doesnt work. Its all just a big fat lie and a trend when they went hot on the first 10 games.
Now, they need to win every game and I doubt it can be done even with PatBev around.

They had to get Patrick Beverly because Lonzo Ball appears that he might be out for a very, very long time.  Doctors around the country have been saying that his knee injury is like nothing they've ever seen before, according to today's reports.  This doesn't bode well for the Bulls, as Lonzo was a major piece of their defensive unit.  I assume this is why they brough in Patrick Beverly, who is mostly a defensive specialist.  He might be a downgrade to Lonzo, but he's the best thing they could find at the moment to try and address a major need.  I like this signing now that the Lonzo news is out, but I still think Chicago lacks what it takes to get beyond the first round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.

True, it won't help any, not that Pat is a bad player, but trying to replace Lonzo in the middle of the season with him is not a good choice in my opinion. Anyhow, Pat is a native Chicago so for sure he will be embrace by the fans and not expecting a big change for them for the better.

They are deep in the standings at 11th place and it will need a lot of effort from Lavine and DeRozan to move them. But I don't see them in the playoff for this season.
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February 22, 2023, 03:33:57 PM

I do not like it either. I think Mann is really doing good lately and he deserves to start with the Clippers. But I think WB role in the team was discussed during his meeting with Kawhi and PG. So, if they have agreed that WB will start, then that would be it. Hopefully, it will be a good decision.


It could not be a great decision for the Los Angeles Clippers to get a near-retiring Russell WestBrick, but right now I am seeing WestBrick making a great assisting play even though he is not scoring that much if Kawhi and Paul George have spoken his role for the Clippers then I think it is already settled and Russell WestBrick will surely debut for the LA Clippers on Friday,


This is Westbrook's last chance in redeeming himself and his NBA career. If he fails to deliver and help the Clippers and be a burden to a team, it might be the beginning of the end for his NBA career.

Forget about scoring if it's for Westbrook. The dude can't even shoot the ball. That's why he called Westbrick because he can't shoot the ball. Let the scoring be done by other players. They have Kawhi, PG13, Mann, Gordon, and some bigs as well that. I would love to see Westbrook to be a better player now that he's on a different team already. I'm a bit disappointed on how his career went down from the main star of the Thunder, to the 2nd best player in the Wizards, and he went to the Lakers, he's just an average player and worse, he became a bench player.

I hope that Coach Ty Lue already said to Westbrook that you must not shoot the ball, and just focus on assisting and playmaking.

I guess there's only one way left to find out and that is to see him playing with the Clippers with the likes of PG and Kawhi who is surely the baller and the alphas of the team. Adding Westbrook to the team may have a difference this time but his role will be the same and that is to give space and assist, just hopefully, this time he can do correctly because I agree, this will be his last chance to redeem himself. If not, then it's safe to assume that he will be in free agency with no teams getting interested.
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February 22, 2023, 03:10:17 PM
Him for a bench player? That doesn't sound right at all hehe. I'm now curious about the contract they had which may justify signing a player to start from the bench. I've read that Pat had to choose between the Warriors and the Bulls. He chose the latter because he thought he could push for a playoff run. I don't know but that's kind of an aggressive statement. A guy like that wouldn't be satisfied

I doubt it will be long term.
They may just be operating an experiment here by acquiring PatBev. Just to let them know if they lack the defensive method or not.
It's possible thag theh both lack in both ends of the floor but had not realized it yet.
The combination of Zach Lavine and Demar Derozan doesnt work. Its all just a big fat lie and a trend when they went hot on the first 10 games.
Now, they need to win every game and I doubt it can be done even with PatBev around.

They had to get Patrick Beverly because Lonzo Ball appears that he might be out for a very, very long time.  Doctors around the country have been saying that his knee injury is like nothing they've ever seen before, according to today's reports.  This doesn't bode well for the Bulls, as Lonzo was a major piece of their defensive unit.  I assume this is why they brough in Patrick Beverly, who is mostly a defensive specialist.  He might be a downgrade to Lonzo, but he's the best thing they could find at the moment to try and address a major need.  I like this signing now that the Lonzo news is out, but I still think Chicago lacks what it takes to get beyond the first round of the playoffs, if they make it that far.
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February 22, 2023, 02:24:25 PM
I think it is having to do with the fact that Lonzo is out for the rest of the season, and there is a possibility that he could be out for good, his knees are gone just like Brandon Roy, anyone old enough to remember him would know that he was a great all-star level star of Portland, basically Dame before Dame, and he had to retire very early because of his knee injury, and basically the same with Lonzo who basically can't get any better for over a year now, and will be out for the rest of the season.

He will surely try to make a comeback eventually, but I am pretty sure he won't be able to, it is not going to work. All in all, PatBev would be a good bench player for them for this reason.

Yep, Brandon Roy performed great in the 08/09 season, especially in the playoffs. At that time, he had huge potential, which, unfortunately, he never unleashed. His knees started to fail him, and it ruined his career in just a couple of seasons. I hope Lonzo will recover sufficiently from injury to avoid repeating Roy's fate.
As for Beverley, points and assists are his weakness, but he's good on defense, and I think he'll be able to at least partially make up for Lonzo's absence.
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February 22, 2023, 02:23:09 PM
Maybe not a starter but if he can lead the 2nd team then it's still all good for the Clippers. As long as he can contribute and maybe if they are on the lead, preserve it while Kawhi and the starters are taking their rest. WB and Hyland, that will be a scary fast-paced game with both players attacking the rim.

Honestly, Westbrook is so lucky that he landed on this team and L.A Clippers has been doing great this season and with his addition to the team, I'm sure he can contribute more and push their performance into something new high-level play. If he can do well here, I guess this is their chance to play more aggressively and sufficiently to get through the NBA finals. I'm so excited to see what kind of roles he will take it that team and how will they look forward to beating the Nuggets, Grizzlies, and Mavericks.

You can never be sure honestly, Westbrook was expected to contribute with the LA Lakers and yet he failed our expectations. It's better not to expect so much, Westbrook does have the talent, the problem is the chemistry with his teammates, so hopefully, he will finally fit with the Clippers.

He might also get a problem on LA Clippers since Kawhi is there and George they are the primary option on the rotation of Clippers so I don't think Westbrook will still fit in that knowing that he used to be the main guy on the team. We already see his performance decline so bad on Lakers and this might go repeat in Clippers if he can't adjust on his new role. This is big challenge for Clippers on how they can work out with Westbrook if this deal will finalized.

They might just have the right spot for Westbrook to fully utilize his skills because I believe the Clippers will not be this interested to get him land on their roster if they are not that sure how to make use of him or if he is not the right one that needed for the team right now. But looking at it right now, it is sure that it wasn't the case because the Clippers acquired him in the middle of their campaign to participate in the upcoming playoffs.
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February 22, 2023, 02:16:46 PM
I think another Los Angeles team getting WB is already a slap for the Lakers, much more they are more of a contender that them.

But the problem is that Clippers is already loaded with talents, and it's funny to think that WB's once team, Reggie Jackson on OKC was once a Clipper and now he will replace him in somewhat in that position.

Not sure how he can spread the floor though, WB is know for his passing ability and not his outside shot.
More of a slap I guess, but it might be a win-win situation for both LA teams.
The Lakers got rid of the player who technically ruined the whole roster because of how many players the Lakers traded just to get him and on the other hand, the Clippers got a facilitator, an athletic guard who can be a good point guard still.

Yes, it is indeed a win-win case for both LA teams because the Lakers somehow got their team messed up when they acquired broody straight from Wizards with high salary only to see and have a WB shooting bricks at his first season wearing the purple-and-gold jersey. While the Clippers somehow got their selves some good additional because WB was once again showing signs positive signs, although, let's just accept that the OKC WB is now long gone.
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