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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 16, 2023, 12:13:57 AM

Yeah, I remember Greg Oden some time back, had a lot of hype in this center, unfortunately, he was fragile as a china ware that his name becomes synonymous with NBA draft bust. It could have been great if they got KD as number 1 and probably the franchise might be different today. And if I remember it correctly, it was about the time that Brandon Roy is unwinding his career with the Blazers and Aldridge was blossoming as well. Lots of what if with Lillard and this players in Portland.

"China ware." Haha. Grin

Oh, and they had Rasheed Wallace too, iirc, then Rudy Fernandez. A lot of players could've been in their stardom if only they are surrounded by good players. Well, that's all in the past so I guess they should listen to what Lillard is trying to tell them for years now.

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What about a step-back three for the win from NIKOLA JOKIC?

Man! this guy is really something and the only missing from him is a championship ring, hope he gets it soon because no doubt he really deserves one.

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I think the Nuggets will be the next team to enter the NBA finals if they will remain healthy throughout the season, they cannot spoil this one because such kinds of season performances cannot be assumed to be the same next year, they really need to do something this year to stop their traditional playoff knockouts.

Joker! How many times has he done that step-back three? Sometimes it's a one-footer shot like Dirk. That guy is really special and there is no doubt about it anymore.
Another triple-double listed in his career, that's his 12th this season. He is one assist shy against the Suns last Thursday but he should've been on 4th game triple-double streak.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 16, 2023, 02:42:05 AM

What a game between the Lakers and the Sixers, I thought that the Lakers is going to win the game because have a chance when Joel missed the shot and Russ got the rebound. Unfortunately, he went 1:1 fumble the ball and then force his shot with Joel in front of him.

I have a ML bet on the Lakers, was so close for a win because they are the underdog in this game.

Not sure why they didn't call a timeout, I think they still have 1 and with 14 seconds to go, they could have execute a better play to them in order to get that huge win.

Miscalculation and I also agree that they can call a timeout and plan their offense instead of taking that force shot, maybe
Lakers coach just give his trust to Russ so he allows him to make his way to the basket.

Most of the time, coach will call a timeout knowing that they've got enough time to execute a play.

Not for you, mate, better to move forward and pick another game tomorrow. Grats to all those who take
the handicap, a close game for Lakers handicap, is fully covered.

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I think the Nuggets will be the next team to enter the NBA finals if they will remain healthy throughout the season, they cannot spoil this one because such kinds of season performances cannot be assumed to be the same next year, they really need to do something this year to stop their traditional playoff knockouts.

They could, but so the other teams in the west. There are lots of strong teams right now in the west it is hard to predict who will win the WCF. They have the right roster though and with luck they might get to the finals. We will see, we will see what happens after the trade deadline since some teams get boosted with a good trade during that time. Maybe the Nuggets can still get a good trade and boost their roster to win the WCF.

Seeing Denver having a hard game with Orlando magic makes me think that maybe they are just another team to choke during playoffs, worse if they choke on finals. Imagine if Jokic missed the winning 3-pointer earlier, Orlando will have the momentum to regain the lead and will win the game for sure. Another thing is there's no really a superstar in Orlando, they are being carried by a rookie Banchero. It's just a 3 point lead for denver with that crucial game, over a team with just a soon to be superstar rookie.

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Quote from: yazher on January 16, 2023, 01:23:43 AM

I think the Nuggets will be the next team to enter the NBA finals if they will remain healthy throughout the season, they cannot spoil this one because such kinds of season performances cannot be assumed to be the same next year, they really need to do something this year to stop their traditional playoff knockouts.

They could, but so the other teams in the west. There are lots of strong teams right now in the west it is hard to predict who will win the WCF. They have the right roster though and with luck they might get to the finals. We will see, we will see what happens after the trade deadline since some teams get boosted with a good trade during that time. Maybe the Nuggets can still get a good trade and boost their roster to win the WCF.

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What a game between the Lakers and the Sixers, I thought that the Lakers is going to win the game because have a chance when Joel missed the shot and Russ got the rebound. Unfortunately, he went 1:1 fumble the ball and then force his shot with Joel in front of him.

I have a ML bet on the Lakers, was so close for a win because they are the underdog in this game.

Not sure why they didn't call a timeout, I think they still have 1 and with 14 seconds to go, they could have execute a better play to them in order to get that huge win.

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What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

I agree. Not really aiming for a championship caliber. They had a lot of chances before with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. All are wasted.
1977. Their last championship. 92' their last conference championship with Clyde Drexler. After that, 1 conference finals appearance for Damian Lillard against the Warriors. It's a sad story.

They could have had a chance of winning a championship if Oden was not injured, that guy was a very dominant center, his career was just unfortunate. Lillard now is still leading the team, they are exciting to watch because they are an offensive team, unfortunately they always tank in the playoffs.

He barely played even in college dude broke his hand at Ohio state. The bigger story with that draft was the fact they passed on Kevin Durant for Oden. Drafting KD would have definitely changed the path of their franchise. But who knows during the draft what guys will end up like.

I guess the Blazers just did the right pick for Oden over KD on the NBA draft 2007. I remember how dominant Oden was in his rookie days, and they were supposed to be a threat in the West if Oden was durable enough to endure his injuries. Just like you said, nobody knows what these guys end up after a few years from their career. With Oden became more fragile, the Blazers just got unlucky with how their pick turned out.

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What about a step-back three for the win from NIKOLA JOKIC?

Man! this guy is really something and the only missing from him is a championship ring, hope he gets it soon because no doubt he really deserves one.

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I think the Nuggets will be the next team to enter the NBA finals if they will remain healthy throughout the season, they cannot spoil this one because such kinds of season performances cannot be assumed to be the same next year, they really need to do something this year to stop their traditional playoff knockouts.

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Dame is proud of his loyalty with the Trail Blazers, so I don't think we will see him in another team.

Lillard's statement here;

Damian Lillard Is Proud Of Loyalty To Trail Blazers, Says That Winning A Championship With Another Team Wouldn't Be As "Fulfilling"

Damian Lillard expresses to the Blazers before that if the team won't work out properly to improve the team, he might break that loyalty thing.

But several seasons have passed now and looks like Dame already accepts that Blazers won't do their very best to sign a Superstar level to join him.

What's the reason? For me, it's because the Blazers have nothing to offer such a huge contract to other Superstars as they go all-in for Dame.

Inspired by the late Kobe, Jerry West, Larry Bird and Dirk? Maybe that's the reason why Dame is very vocal right now regarding him staying with the Blazers and be loyal instead of him going out and find another team. If he really is genuine into what he is saying then we might see him staying with the Blazers.

Right now, they are at the bottom spot again of the standings but they've got a promising player in Simons. Having better players alongside Lillard and Simons might change the whole team. On the other hand, their chances of winning a title so far is close to zero. I mean we don't see any reasons for the team to win a title right. Cheesy

. Maybe lets just hope that they will enter at least the playoffs or the play-ins this season.

Those name won championship that's why they remain loyal to the franchise. Dame has not proved anything yet so we shouldn't compare his name with those great players.

Yes, Simons is good but I don't think it will be enough help for Dame. It's just CJ 2.0, and we all know that their partnership didn't end well, not even close to bring the team into the WCF.

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Quote from: harizen on January 15, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

I agree. Not really aiming for a championship caliber. They had a lot of chances before with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. All are wasted.
1977. Their last championship. 92' their last conference championship with Clyde Drexler. After that, 1 conference finals appearance for Damian Lillard against the Warriors. It's a sad story.

They could have had a chance of winning a championship if Oden was not injured, that guy was a very dominant center, his career was just unfortunate. Lillard now is still leading the team, they are exciting to watch because they are an offensive team, unfortunately they always tank in the playoffs.

He barely played even in college dude broke his hand at Ohio state. The bigger story with that draft was the fact they passed on Kevin Durant for Oden. Drafting KD would have definitely changed the path of their franchise. But who knows during the draft what guys will end up like.

Yeah, I remember Greg Oden some time back, had a lot of hype in this center, unfortunately, he was fragile as a china ware that his name becomes synonymous with NBA draft bust. It could have been great if they got KD as number 1 and probably the franchise might be different today. And if I remember it correctly, it was about the time that Brandon Roy is unwinding his career with the Blazers and Aldridge was blossoming as well. Lots of what if with Lillard and this players in Portland.

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Quote from: harizen on January 15, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

I agree. Not really aiming for a championship caliber. They had a lot of chances before with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. All are wasted.
1977. Their last championship. 92' their last conference championship with Clyde Drexler. After that, 1 conference finals appearance for Damian Lillard against the Warriors. It's a sad story.

They could have had a chance of winning a championship if Oden was not injured, that guy was a very dominant center, his career was just unfortunate. Lillard now is still leading the team, they are exciting to watch because they are an offensive team, unfortunately they always tank in the playoffs.

He barely played even in college dude broke his hand at Ohio state. The bigger story with that draft was the fact they passed on Kevin Durant for Oden. Drafting KD would have definitely changed the path of their franchise. But who knows during the draft what guys will end up like.

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Quote from: harizen on January 15, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

I agree. Not really aiming for a championship caliber. They had a lot of chances before with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. All are wasted.
1977. Their last championship. 92' their last conference championship with Clyde Drexler. After that, 1 conference finals appearance for Damian Lillard against the Warriors. It's a sad story.

They could have had a chance of winning a championship if Oden was not injured, that guy was a very dominant center, his career was just unfortunate. Lillard now is still leading the team, they are exciting to watch because they are an offensive team, unfortunately they always tank in the playoffs.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 15, 2023, 05:33:52 PM

Hopefully they reconsider their moves (JC and his agent) very carefully because they might regret this decision that they are trying to force the Jazz.

I hope so too, for the greater good of the whole team and not for selfish reasons.
The Jazz is in good shape now, all they need is more experience and chemistry, they even started a good trend in the first 10 games of the season and they became the discussion of being a top contender despite being a young team. The success of the rebuild team will be to satisfy each player by giving them enough salary to stay and not ask for trades.

Quote from: harizen on January 15, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

I agree. Not really aiming for a championship caliber. They had a lot of chances before with Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. All are wasted.
1977. Their last championship. 92' their last conference championship with Clyde Drexler. After that, 1 conference finals appearance for Damian Lillard against the Warriors. It's a sad story.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 15, 2023, 06:59:17 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on January 15, 2023, 08:53:33 AM

Dame is proud of his loyalty with the Trail Blazers, so I don't think we will see him in another team.

Lillard's statement here;

Damian Lillard Is Proud Of Loyalty To Trail Blazers, Says That Winning A Championship With Another Team Wouldn't Be As "Fulfilling"

Damian Lillard expresses to the Blazers before that if the team won't work out properly to improve the team, he might break that loyalty thing.

But several seasons have passed now and looks like Dame already accepts that Blazers won't do their very best to sign a Superstar level to join him.

What's the reason? For me, it's because the Blazers have nothing to offer such a huge contract to other Superstars as they go all-in for Dame.

Inspired by the late Kobe, Jerry West, Larry Bird and Dirk? Maybe that's the reason why Dame is very vocal right now regarding him staying with the Blazers and be loyal instead of him going out and find another team. If he really is genuine into what he is saying then we might see him staying with the Blazers.

Right now, they are at the bottom spot again of the standings but they've got a promising player in Simons. Having better players alongside Lillard and Simons might change the whole team. On the other hand, their chances of winning a title so far is close to zero. I mean we don't see any reasons for the team to win a title right. Cheesy

. Maybe lets just hope that they will enter at least the playoffs or the play-ins this season.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 15, 2023, 06:59:17 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on January 15, 2023, 08:53:33 AM

Dame is proud of his loyalty with the Trail Blazers, so I don't think we will see him in another team.

Lillard's statement here;

Damian Lillard Is Proud Of Loyalty To Trail Blazers, Says That Winning A Championship With Another Team Wouldn't Be As "Fulfilling"

Damian Lillard expresses to the Blazers before that if the team won't work out properly to improve the team, he might break that loyalty thing.

But several seasons have passed now and looks like Dame already accepts that Blazers won't do their very best to sign a Superstar level to join him.

What's the reason? For me, it's because the Blazers have nothing to offer such a huge contract to other Superstars as they go all-in for Dame.

Portland just isn't an interesting landing spot for any big star. They're not a bad team, just bad geographically speaking. Dame won't get a ring there.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 15, 2023, 08:53:33 AM

Dame is proud of his loyalty with the Trail Blazers, so I don't think we will see him in another team.

Lillard's statement here;

Damian Lillard Is Proud Of Loyalty To Trail Blazers, Says That Winning A Championship With Another Team Wouldn't Be As "Fulfilling"

Damian Lillard expresses to the Blazers before that if the team won't work out properly to improve the team, he might break that loyalty thing.

But several seasons have passed now and looks like Dame already accepts that Blazers won't do their very best to sign a Superstar level to join him.

What's the reason? For me, it's because the Blazers have nothing to offer such a huge contract to other Superstars as they go all-in for Dame.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 15, 2023, 04:17:06 PM

I mean even if Dame wanted to stay, but if the management decided to ship him out, he can't do anything about it.

Didn't you know that referring specifically to Damian Lillard, he will like that move? Cheesy

It's been several times already where he voiced out to the whole Blazers organization that what the fuck*ed is happening on their team on each of their playoffs exits.

As I mentioned before, the Portland Trail Blazers was suck*ed since then in acquiring a big fish either through direct trades, off-season activities, or hunting high-profile players that will enter the free agency that will somehow be considered as a consistent guy working alongside with Lillard.

What I see in this Blazers team ever since is, they will just wait for that "promising" guy that they will be able to pick in the yearly rookie draft and expect that guy to become the next "big deal" for the team like on what happened to Damian Lillard.

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 15, 2023, 04:17:06 PM

I'm sorry to say but I don't think there is such loyalty with this teams. I mean even if Dame wanted to stay, but if the management decided to ship him out, he can't do anything about it. Only few players remain loyal to their team and retired with them but they bring championship to that franchise. If Dame can't do it, then obviously management will have to go to rebuilding phase. And when you are out of your prime, then most likely the team will not value you anymore, just saying.

Well, Dame has been vocal about his commitment and loyalty to the team so it will all depend on the management. He still has a contract up to Season 2024 so he is guaranteed to be paid until then. If Dame wants to chase a ring, he should go somewhere else. Since CJ was shipped out, he has no help anymore to make a title run in Portland. He is aging and soon his value will drop. If he cannot bring a ring to Portland because of the lack of support from management, he should get it somewhere else.

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I can't believe, Clarkson is again playing like an all star, he scored 38 points against the 76ers. But it's just unfortunate that they lose the game, but it's a 1 point lose only. The level of accuracy and the high level of confidence, that's what Clarkson is now, I believe the management are really pressured because they cannot give the demand of Clarkson, but they want him to stay.

Clarkson really wanted to win this match. It's unbelievable to score 38 points. It would certainly be beneficial for the team if a player with such talent and scoring so many points stays in the team. But it is very important that this performance is consistent and that it contributes to the team in a similar way in every match. It was a sad loss for the Utah Jazz, they lost the game by only 1 point

What a great performance Clarkson put on in his last game. I was surprised with his performance and it's clear that I have no doubts that he intends to become an allstar.
I confess that I was kinda sad with the defeat of the Jazz in the last game with only 1 point, but the Philadelphia 76ers stood out and managed to win the match.
I'll be curious to see if this great performance from Clarkson will hold up... he's been playing very well in a few games lately.

Aside from some moments when he is squaring up some players, I think he is performing consistently this year. I think all players wanted to be included in all-star list and Clarkson definitely wants to be included. But it will all depend on the votes. So if you want to see him play in all star, you should vote for him.

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Quote from: xzone on January 15, 2023, 11:29:47 AM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on January 15, 2023, 03:07:46 AM

I can't believe, Clarkson is again playing like an all star, he scored 38 points against the 76ers. But it's just unfortunate that they lose the game, but it's a 1 point lose only. The level of accuracy and the high level of confidence, that's what Clarkson is now, I believe the management are really pressured because they cannot give the demand of Clarkson, but they want him to stay.

Clarkson really wanted to win this match. It's unbelievable to score 38 points. It would certainly be beneficial for the team if a player with such talent and scoring so many points stays in the team. But it is very important that this performance is consistent and that it contributes to the team in a similar way in every match. It was a sad loss for the Utah Jazz, they lost the game by only 1 point

What a great performance Clarkson put on in his last game. I was surprised with his performance and it's clear that I have no doubts that he intends to become an allstar.
I confess that I was kinda sad with the defeat of the Jazz in the last game with only 1 point, but the Philadelphia 76ers stood out and managed to win the match.
I'll be curious to see if this great performance from Clarkson will hold up... he's been playing very well in a few games lately.

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....Jazz will miss the opportunity to have a player that will make the team better if they will let go of Clarkson,

Clarkson is good and their current best player but he is not some generational talent that would make Jazz management keep him until he retires or build a team around. Donovan is still better and would have been that "franchise player" for them but they still traded him.

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I guess he would stay if they will give him his desired range.

I agree that he deserves a better pay with the way he's playing now. The question is how much is his desired range? He's probably asking a franchise player level kind of deal that's why Jazz management couldn't give it to him.

Yes. They are trying to rebuild so they will need that cap to maximize their opportunity to create a duo or trio and pay them at a level they can afford and still be able to surround them with good players for a deeper bench.
Now, if Clarkson's agent will force the issue of having a salary like Steph, Kawhi, or those at the same level as them it might be difficult for the Utah Jazz to make it a better team.
He may be at his highest peak but he won't go anywhere without teammates to reflect his greatness. It will not end very well for the Utah Jazz and they learned their lesson from their past duo.

This is what I'm saying. Kawhi, before he achieved that salary that he's receiving right now, posted a championship win and MVP for the Spurs in 2014. Clarkson hasn't really carried the team anywhere and they're already looking for a massive bump in his salary. Not really arguing that JC is a great all-rounder, but as a franchise you have to consider that you must also build your team around your current star player, and if all the budget is maxed out on just the star player alone, you will eventually see your team failing to achieve wins and attain records.

Hopefully they reconsider their moves (JC and his agent) very carefully because they might regret this decision that they are trying to force the Jazz.

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Quote from: Yogee on January 15, 2023, 10:58:03 AM

Quote from: mirakal on January 15, 2023, 10:23:31 AM

....Jazz will miss the opportunity to have a player that will make the team better if they will let go of Clarkson,

Clarkson is good and their current best player but he is not some generational talent that would make Jazz management keep him until he retires or build a team around. Donovan is still better and would have been that "franchise player" for them but they still traded him.

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I guess he would stay if they will give him his desired range.

I agree that he deserves a better pay with the way he's playing now. The question is how much is his desired range? He's probably asking a franchise player level kind of deal that's why Jazz management couldn't give it to him.

Yes. They are trying to rebuild so they will need that cap to maximize their opportunity to create a duo or trio and pay them at a level they can afford and still be able to surround them with good players for a deeper bench.
Now, if Clarkson's agent will force the issue of having a salary like Steph, Kawhi, or those at the same level as them it might be difficult for the Utah Jazz to make it a better team.
He may be at his highest peak but he won't go anywhere without teammates to reflect his greatness. It will not end very well for the Utah Jazz and they learned their lesson from their past duo.

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