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December 08, 2022, 04:08:36 PM
I've been hearing the prospect about this kid, Wenbanyama. Where he's possibly going to be when he's going to enter the NBA? There's the picking/draft round but there's also the other ways of acquiring him by most teams through possible exclusive contract or buying his contract to the current league he's in.
Is he really that like a future or just an overhyped? I don't wish him to end up but I don't also want people to expect a lot just as mostly thought of Oden.
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December 08, 2022, 04:00:51 PM
Still a shock to me that we are seeing Utah playing the way they can. I honestly expected them to be the type of team that would start 2-20 and then finish the season with like 20-62 type of results, or 24-58 whatever, like not more than 30 wins at all. By the looks of it they are on the path to do that. Is this good? Or is this actually bad for them?

Obviously this is good for the Jazz at this point, they didn't tank and winning games and the numbers, we all thought that they will not make it because they overhaul their roster, but it's the opposite.
I think of it as something not that good at all. When they've been playing well at the beginning and then get to have some curb in the midst of it. Anyway, they are still playing well and what's not good is for the teams that are at the bottom, they'll surely be removed when the playoffs will come. What was that round again like the wild card before the playoffs? IIRC, there's that type of round and it's before the actual elimination of the teams, I've forgotten what it's called with the format.

It's a problem a lot of teams sit with.  Just good enough or mediocre enough to land the 7 or 8 slot in the playoffs but not good enough to win.  Downside is never being able to land a top tier prospect always drafting 10-20.  Utah is a tough place yo land a Marque star so they rely on drafting well.  I hate tanking but I think that is their plan.  They can't win long term with this team they have.
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December 08, 2022, 03:55:56 PM
Still a shock to me that we are seeing Utah playing the way they can. I honestly expected them to be the type of team that would start 2-20 and then finish the season with like 20-62 type of results, or 24-58 whatever, like not more than 30 wins at all. By the looks of it they are on the path to do that. Is this good? Or is this actually bad for them?

Obviously this is good for the Jazz at this point, they didn't tank and winning games and the numbers, we all thought that they will not make it because they overhaul their roster, but it's the opposite.
I think of it as something not that good at all. When they've been playing well at the beginning and then get to have some curb in the midst of it. Anyway, they are still playing well and what's not good is for the teams that are at the bottom, they'll surely be removed when the playoffs will come. What was that round again like the wild card before the playoffs? IIRC, there's that type of round and it's before the actual elimination of the teams, I've forgotten what it's called with the format.
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December 08, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
Still a shock to me that we are seeing Utah playing the way they can. I honestly expected them to be the type of team that would start 2-20 and then finish the season with like 20-62 type of results, or 24-58 whatever, like not more than 30 wins at all. By the looks of it they are on the path to do that. Is this good? Or is this actually bad for them?

Obviously this is good for the Jazz at this point, they didn't tank and winning games and the numbers, we all thought that they will not make it because they overhaul their roster, but it's the opposite.

We cannot know because we think it is possible that they should be losing a lot more and that would be better for them because of draft picks. If they keep winning, they won't have a high draft pick chance and that is not actually that great, it was not really possible for them to get better in the long run this way.

Well if they can do it this early then possible that they can do it in the long run leading to the playoff. Draft is hard to look at though, it's a gamble for them and for any other teams. I mean there are number 1 who went bust and then second round picks that really made it to the NBA. So it's better to have a team like what we are seeing instead of hoping for a good pick,
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December 08, 2022, 03:40:29 PM
Still a shock to me that we are seeing Utah playing the way they can. I honestly expected them to be the type of team that would start 2-20 and then finish the season with like 20-62 type of results, or 24-58 whatever, like not more than 30 wins at all. By the looks of it they are on the path to do that. Is this good? Or is this actually bad for them?

We cannot know because we think it is possible that they should be losing a lot more and that would be better for them because of draft picks. If they keep winning, they won't have a high draft pick chance and that is not actually that great, it was not really possible for them to get better in the long run this way.

Obviously this is good news and we might say that the trade they made was worth it.

Because when we thought that they are going to tank, the team responded with a good run and one of the biggest surprised this season. But then again they have history of choking in the playoff so we will see if the new team is not just a fluke. They need to start proving themselves in the playoff because that's where teams are tested. They just have to keep the fire burning inside of them and be motivated to prove everyone is wrong.
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December 08, 2022, 03:33:22 PM
Still a shock to me that we are seeing Utah playing the way they can. I honestly expected them to be the type of team that would start 2-20 and then finish the season with like 20-62 type of results, or 24-58 whatever, like not more than 30 wins at all. By the looks of it they are on the path to do that. Is this good? Or is this actually bad for them?

We cannot know because we think it is possible that they should be losing a lot more and that would be better for them because of draft picks. If they keep winning, they won't have a high draft pick chance and that is not actually that great, it was not really possible for them to get better in the long run this way.
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December 08, 2022, 01:55:48 PM
The performance Nets have been showing in the Eastern Conference has been pretty impressive so far. I know that they lost nearly the half of their games but they are still at the fourth position in the standings. Especially their recent form is impressive. Irving and Durant's staying for at least one more season has helped them as well of course.

These stars are still very important for them to be more productive in scoring points. However this performance might still cause them some trouble after the end of the regular season. They need to get as many wins as possible to keep their mental condition high which would prepare them for the playoffs better.
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December 08, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Money is on the line for the Raptors tonight as it's said that Lebron and AD aren't going to play due to their own issues.

AD has an illness while Lebron has got an injury. Well, this is a big advantage for the Raptors but we'll see if the bench players are going to manage a win against them.


I decided to skip that game especially when I hear that even LeBron James won't be around for the Lakers too, haven't gave much expectation to the remaining roster even though I know that Westbrook could explode anytime mainly in this instance that AD and Lebron wasn't around and given that Walker IV and Schroder can somehow balance things up. Well, this goes to show that without their 2 stars, the Lakers will really crumble and would be tanking again.
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December 08, 2022, 12:21:15 PM

Luka has nothing to prove just to get the attention because he is already a star player and the best candidate for MVP this season. As an individual player, Luka is at the top 3, but he needs to win a championship first in order to be lined with the greats in NBA.

I see Luka is making a great adjustment, his teammates are getting better now and that resulted in a better team.

Luka this game against the Nuggets does not score so high, but look at the other factors, he still tallies a very impressive triple double. (10 rebounds, 12 assists, and 22 points)

We can really never tell what he is thinking, and I know he is trying his hard to really give way to his team, and as he is not really waiting for his teammates to develop their skills in the team, but he is just doing what he can now, and It is up to them to really improve and know their worth inside the team, I really don't want to judge Luka Doncic, he is one of the best players there is in the NBA, and pretty much remarkable at a young age, he got great timing, ball handling, shooting and even getting fouls for the other team, pretty much Luka Doncic do it best,

Clarkson is ready to box with Kuminga.  Cheesy


Kuminga has all the reasons to be mad, but I don't know about Clarkson. He is frustrated because of the blocked shot, that's all the reason he has.
Above-the-neck foul, "unnecessary excessive contact" which means Flagrant foul 2. He was ejected because of that.
Technical foul was called on Kuminga and Beasley.
Despite that, Utah Jazz still got the win because of the errors made by the Warriors and missed freethrows in the last seconds of the game.

Pretty sure Jordan Clarkson is pure blood Pinoy on getting a rage quit moment and his inner Pinoy side is kicking in, I really love JC but pretty basketball will surely get you heavy contact with one another there is nothing to get mad about a heated game can surely cause something like that and Kuminga is not really intentional with that Jordan Clarkson should have just ignored it, but still love for both players it was really a heated game, and everyone really wants to win so badly,

And even though the Warriors lost it was a close game both teams is not in 100% form because Markkanen and Sexton were not playing for the Jazz while Wiggins, Wiggins and Curry was not on the Warriors pretty much the Warriors 2nd unit is pretty much doing great,


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December 08, 2022, 10:21:10 AM
Yes, another star or core player that is versatile enough to know which area needed more focus to help the team achieve a victory in almost every game and can match Luka's energy so that he end up carrying the team especially when it comes to intense games. Just like Giannis who have Middleton and Curry who have Thompson. Honestly, that's what they've been lacking and if they can fill up that spot, I bet they can reach farther than what they reached last season.

Luka is still very young and has not yet reached his full potential. There is time for the Mavs to surround him with the supporting cast that he needs to push the team to a championship. Dirk took almost all his career before he became a champion, and it is worth the wait. Luka hopefully will not wait that long before the Mavs figure out the team they need to win. They should have learned now how to support their stars. They at least have 5 years to work it out with Doncic. It is either they develop their young, new recruit or acquire through trades, but they should not waste the opportunity they have with Luka.

What a big loss it could be if the Mavs will end up losing Luka in the future. Although it is hard to imagine knowing Mark Cuban is not just a team owner but a huge NBA fan and it is also early to speculate.

There was a time when Mavs brought in Kristaps Porzingis. It didn't work and the guy is too injury-prone. For now, the Mavs is pretty sure watching for their next potential target. I also believe that the Mavs can do better if Luka has reliable teammates he can lean on if he is having a bad night.

Yes, someone that he can depend when he had an off-night, it's understandable that even you are the best player there's some night that you are not performing that well, and Luka needs someone who can help him.

Additional star who can work side by side with Luka and help him in
developing the entire core, Mark Cuban needs to bring him additional
teammates who can add up to spice the whole Mavs and bring them back
to a title competition. No offense to the current lineup, but Mavs needs
additional star/s.
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December 08, 2022, 09:24:44 AM
Yes, another star or core player that is versatile enough to know which area needed more focus to help the team achieve a victory in almost every game and can match Luka's energy so that he end up carrying the team especially when it comes to intense games. Just like Giannis who have Middleton and Curry who have Thompson. Honestly, that's what they've been lacking and if they can fill up that spot, I bet they can reach farther than what they reached last season.

Luka is still very young and has not yet reached his full potential. There is time for the Mavs to surround him with the supporting cast that he needs to push the team to a championship. Dirk took almost all his career before he became a champion, and it is worth the wait. Luka hopefully will not wait that long before the Mavs figure out the team they need to win. They should have learned now how to support their stars. They at least have 5 years to work it out with Doncic. It is either they develop their young, new recruit or acquire through trades, but they should not waste the opportunity they have with Luka.

What a big loss it could be if the Mavs will end up losing Luka in the future. Although it is hard to imagine knowing Mark Cuban is not just a team owner but a huge NBA fan and it is also early to speculate.

There was a time when Mavs brought in Kristaps Porzingis. It didn't work and the guy is too injury-prone. For now, the Mavs is pretty sure watching for their next potential target. I also believe that the Mavs can do better if Luka has reliable teammates he can lean on if he is having a bad night.
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December 08, 2022, 09:11:06 AM
It was very enjoyable to watch the fight between Doncic and Jokic. It was very difficult to know who would win the game until the last seconds and Dallas managed to win the game by 1 point at the end. We can say that the star of the match was Tim Hardaway, the points he scored were very important.
The fact that all the winning teams scored 116 points in the last matches is also an interesting statistic Smiley
I was screaming my lungs on that game. But the mojo of Jokic was not at the best. There are some good assists but that is not what I am used at. 19 points 8 rebounds, and 8 assists. Luka had a better game that night with a triple double.
We all see Davis' past performances, he really lifting the Lakers not just with his offense but his presence inside gives them a
good interior defender and rebounder.

Without Davis, the chance of winning is slim. LeBron is no longer the same type of star player who can really dominate. He was
past on his prime, he can help but in terms of carrying the whole loads,

it will be tough now for him to takeover and win against those teams who are composed of complete packages.
This is the sad truth and I think the Lakers knows this. If they want to win badly on their next games without AD they may want their skills up by one more notch. Lesser turnovers, perfection in every play written by their coach, avoiding selfish desires whenever they make runs, just be disciplined in working two points instead of forcing a three.
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December 08, 2022, 08:30:00 AM
You still think same after that disastrous first half for Lakers? It was fairly obvious when both Anthony Davis and LeBron James officially ruled out.

"Ah shit, here we go again," said the Lakers after losing LeBron and Davis once again. Grin Honestly, I even thought the Lakers could find their rhythm, considering they've been playing pretty well lately. However, it looks like the Lakers' success depends a lot on the health of those two guys because the team doesn't have anyone who can replace them.
Unfortunately, now the Lakers have two losses in a row due to Davis and LeBron's absence, and that's too bad because they were so close to even their win/loss numbers.

It was Davis who has the biggest contribution to the team, even with Lebron playing, Lakers will still struggle, but put Davis back and even if Lebron is out, Lakers will remain competitive. IMO, it's Anthony Davis who is now the most important player of the Lakers, not Lebron, so it's hard to see the Lakers playing without him.

We all see Davis' past performances, he really lifting the Lakers not just with his offense but his presence inside gives them a
good interior defender and rebounder.

Without Davis, the chance of winning is slim. LeBron is no longer the same type of star player who can really dominate. He was
past on his prime, he can help but in terms of carrying the whole loads,

it will be tough now for him to takeover and win against those teams who are composed of complete packages.
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December 08, 2022, 08:02:19 AM
You still think same after that disastrous first half for Lakers? It was fairly obvious when both Anthony Davis and LeBron James officially ruled out.

"Ah shit, here we go again," said the Lakers after losing LeBron and Davis once again. Grin Honestly, I even thought the Lakers could find their rhythm, considering they've been playing pretty well lately. However, it looks like the Lakers' success depends a lot on the health of those two guys because the team doesn't have anyone who can replace them.
Unfortunately, now the Lakers have two losses in a row due to Davis and LeBron's absence, and that's too bad because they were so close to even their win/loss numbers.

It was Davis who has the biggest contribution to the team, even with Lebron playing, Lakers will still struggle, but put Davis back and even if Lebron is out, Lakers will remain competitive. IMO, it's Anthony Davis who is now the most important player of the Lakers, not Lebron, so it's hard to see the Lakers playing without him.

Maybe, but it was Lebron who started this team better, without him also this team will struggle. Davis maybe the best contributor this season, but without Lebron they'll never win a championship, best chance they'll have is to reach the playoffs but for sure they'll be eliminated early.

There's no need to compare both actually, both are great players, let's just hope that they'll both be healthy so they'll make this team a championship team.

They are in one team and without Davis or Lebron, this Lakers team will never be the same. Actually, Westbrook was not anymore counted as the big 3 is not anymore a big 3, we only have Lebron and Davis who is bringing this team to success.


Davis will be back soon as he was only listed with Illness, not a serious injury.

https://www.foxsports.com/nba/anthony-davis-player
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Won't play Wednesday
Davis (illness) won't be available Wednesday versus the Raptors, Mike Trudell of Spectrum SportsNet reports.
Impact On a positive note, Davis' illness is listed as the non-COVID-19 variety, so he should be in store for only a brief absence. With Davis, LeBron James (ankle) and Wenyen Gabriel (shoulder) set to sit, Thomas Bryant, Damian Jones and Juan Toscano-Anderson should take on sizable workloads in the frontcourt.
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December 08, 2022, 07:59:44 AM

Kuminga has all the reasons to be mad, but I don't know about Clarkson. He is frustrated because of the blocked shot, that's all the reason he has.
Above-the-neck foul, "unnecessary excessive contact" which means Flagrant foul 2. He was ejected because of that.
Technical foul was called on Kuminga and Beasley.
Despite that, Utah Jazz still got the win because of the errors made by the Warriors and missed freethrows in the last seconds of the game.

This kind of scenario rarely happened especially when the game is closed and each team is focusing to win the game but we cannot blame them given the pressure and the way they protect themselves from players that are giving any conscience regarding the way they play just to win a single game. This GSW is good when they want to hurt their opponent secretly on the court, just like what happened in the NBA playoffs last year with Ja Morant. and that's maybe what happen today and both teams' results nearly make some smoke against each other.
It's Clarkson's frustration that really started the fire. They may also be expected to blow out the Warriors as they are starless without Green, Wiggins, and Steph Curry. Now, with the game ending in a close one against a 2nd unit is unacceptable. I do think Kuminga might've also said something to make Clarkson react like that but we won't be able to know anymore.

Kyrie is back to the trend. The shoe he is wearing didn't escape the media and social media.  Cheesy
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba-2022-news-scores-results-wrap-celtics-def-suns-western-conference-kyrie-irving-shoes-nike-cut-ties-lebron-james-laker-raptors/news-story/9eb61a2489341a443ea3f2e6ba32365a

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Elsewhere, Nets gun Kyrie Irving made a statement writing “I AM FREE Thank you God ... I AM” and “logo here” in gold marker on his shoes which had black tape covering Nike’s logo.
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December 08, 2022, 07:01:09 AM
You still think same after that disastrous first half for Lakers? It was fairly obvious when both Anthony Davis and LeBron James officially ruled out.

"Ah shit, here we go again," said the Lakers after losing LeBron and Davis once again. Grin Honestly, I even thought the Lakers could find their rhythm, considering they've been playing pretty well lately. However, it looks like the Lakers' success depends a lot on the health of those two guys because the team doesn't have anyone who can replace them.
Unfortunately, now the Lakers have two losses in a row due to Davis and LeBron's absence, and that's too bad because they were so close to even their win/loss numbers.

It was Davis who has the biggest contribution to the team, even with Lebron playing, Lakers will still struggle, but put Davis back and even if Lebron is out, Lakers will remain competitive. IMO, it's Anthony Davis who is now the most important player of the Lakers, not Lebron, so it's hard to see the Lakers playing without him.

Maybe, but it was Lebron who started this team better, without him also this team will struggle. Davis maybe the best contributor this season, but without Lebron they'll never win a championship, best chance they'll have is to reach the playoffs but for sure they'll be eliminated early.

There's no need to compare both actually, both are great players, let's just hope that they'll both be healthy so they'll make this team a championship team.
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December 08, 2022, 06:56:44 AM
Without Davis in most of the game Lakers still remained competitive, but now we saw how important Davis is, without him then I guess Lakers will start tanking again. Davis injury was not so serious though, so hopefully he will be back in a couple of games so their effort will not be wasted.

They did, in fact they still played competitively even against the Raptors today. But still fell short though because none of them exploded unlike when Davis was around with them, Lebron on the other hand played below his average. I reckon that they could've defeated the Cavs on the other day if Davis didn't have to exit the game much earlier.

Here's Davis's update regarding his flu-like symptoms:
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Lakers coach Darvin Ham said Davis’ symptoms gradually got worse during the course of the day.
He also stressed Davis had not tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.nba.com/news/lakers-anthony-davis-exits-illness

Seems that he will have to get some rest first because his situation got worse that day and it will take him few days before he can play again because I think the league still have the existing rules about flu-like symptoms which he needed to get quarantined first.

I think that the worse is over. Now we know that he will be sidelined very long, just a few days maybe because of COVID restrictions, but that's it. The anxiety that Davis has come down in injury again is already gone. He will come back strong because he will be rested, and that energy hopefully will convert into a win for the Lakers. For now, the remaining roster must do their best and try to win without Davis. They are still a strong team with Westbrook and Lebron, but they need to work together.

Yes, another star or core player that is versatile enough to know which area needed more focus to help the team achieve a victory in almost every game and can match Luka's energy so that he end up carrying the team especially when it comes to intense games. Just like Giannis who have Middleton and Curry who have Thompson. Honestly, that's what they've been lacking and if they can fill up that spot, I bet they can reach farther than what they reached last season.

Luka is still very young and has not yet reached his full potential. There is time for the Mavs to surround him with the supporting cast that he needs to push the team to a championship. Dirk took almost all his career before he became a champion, and it is worth the wait. Luka hopefully will not wait that long before the Mavs figure out the team they need to win. They should have learned now how to support their stars. They at least have 5 years to work it out with Doncic. It is either they develop their young, new recruit or acquire through trades, but they should not waste the opportunity they have with Luka.
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December 08, 2022, 06:56:01 AM
You still think same after that disastrous first half for Lakers? It was fairly obvious when both Anthony Davis and LeBron James officially ruled out.

"Ah shit, here we go again," said the Lakers after losing LeBron and Davis once again. Grin Honestly, I even thought the Lakers could find their rhythm, considering they've been playing pretty well lately. However, it looks like the Lakers' success depends a lot on the health of those two guys because the team doesn't have anyone who can replace them.
Unfortunately, now the Lakers have two losses in a row due to Davis and LeBron's absence, and that's too bad because they were so close to even their win/loss numbers.

It was Davis who has the biggest contribution to the team, even with Lebron playing, Lakers will still struggle, but put Davis back and even if Lebron is out, Lakers will remain competitive. IMO, it's Anthony Davis who is now the most important player of the Lakers, not Lebron, so it's hard to see the Lakers playing without him.
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December 08, 2022, 06:20:17 AM
As we all know, this MVP ladder is updating every single week and it's not surprising that Anthony Davis's name has surfaced on the list after his good productions and their team, the Lakers, has been impressive as well for having a 8-2 run in the last 10 games. Together with Davis's name, Sabonis also appeared in the top 10 in the expense of Ja Morant and Jaylen Brown.
Yes, it does change weekly and it will be an unpredictable season on who will be on the top of that ladder.
I am rooting for Luka Doncic to claim it, I am super amazed at how skillful he is and how he can handle everything, from offense to being the playmaker of the team. Although that will be a little biased since I am a fan of his.  Cheesy
But Tatum seems to be not backing down yet who now averages at 30 ppg, the rebounding category will make a big difference as Luka gets more rebound every game.
To be fair Luka getting it at this age would be proof of 2 things. First of all, any team who passed on him made a huge mistake, that is already known to be fair, but it was obvious even at that time, but would be confirmed now as well.

Secondly, Dallas needs to do a better job surrounding him with better players as well, this kid has been around for just a few years now, and already playing like he would win a championship if you just put the right pieces around him, and that is a big deal, not many people can do that, not at that age at least. He should be given a bit of talent around him, maybe another star, so that he could win the title and his talents wouldn't go to waste.
Another star who knows how to adjust and will be willing to serve as backup for Luka. I mean a go-to guy who is willing to sacrifice
stats to win alongside with Luka.

The kid is really doing everything but against a heavy equipped squad it will be tough for him
to carry his whole team.

I like the idea of bringing star with additional role players who can also add up in both offenses
and defense that will surely increase the chance of chasing the title for Luka and the Mavs.


Yes, another star or core player that is versatile enough to know which area needed more focus to help the team achieve a victory in almost every game and can match Luka's energy so that he end up carrying the team especially when it comes to intense games. Just like Giannis who have Middleton and Curry who have Thompson. Honestly, that's what they've been lacking and if they can fill up that spot, I bet they can reach farther than what they reached last season.
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December 08, 2022, 05:53:22 AM
Without Davis in most of the game Lakers still remained competitive, but now we saw how important Davis is, without him then I guess Lakers will start tanking again. Davis injury was not so serious though, so hopefully he will be back in a couple of games so their effort will not be wasted.

They did, in fact they still played competitively even against the Raptors today. But still fell short though because none of them exploded unlike when Davis was around with them, Lebron on the other hand played below his average. I reckon that they could've defeated the Cavs on the other day if Davis didn't have to exit the game much earlier.

Here's Davis's update regarding his flu-like symptoms:
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Lakers coach Darvin Ham said Davis’ symptoms gradually got worse during the course of the day.
He also stressed Davis had not tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.nba.com/news/lakers-anthony-davis-exits-illness

Seems that he will have to get some rest first because his situation got worse that day and it will take him few days before he can play again because I think the league still have the existing rules about flu-like symptoms which he needed to get quarantined first.
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