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October 28, 2022, 05:13:31 AM

The Lakers just deflated Westbrooks value lol.
This will get very interesting for the Lakers on how they're going to get rid of Westbrook, because for sure the Lakers are now actively looking for a good trade more than before.

They should have done it before because seeing the result with the Lakers today, makes them think multiple times before securing the deal with the Lakers. It's just really an expected turn of event when the Lakers didn't bother to trade WB before the start of the season when they clearly know he was the reason of their struggle last season. Now that he is up for trade again, I'm sure it will be hard this time cause he is not only unskilled but also bring worst luck to the team.

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October 28, 2022, 05:08:22 AM
While the Lakers continue to struggle and I guess this could go on to 0-10 as they all have a tougher opponent in thier first 10 games lol.

I bet on the Lakers today thinking they are gonna play hard, but it's still the same, this team has no hope, with or without Westbrook they still continue to struggle. I think Lebron is not anymore the king because he cannot anymore carry his team.  Grin

Yeah, and I thought that same, they have reported that Westbrook will not play, so we assumed that something different is going to happen. But nothing, just the usual Lakers who just didn't have what it takes to have a win. Although their opponent is a tough team, but still at least they should make it close.

Another huge game by Giannis to lead the Bucks against the struggling Nets team. 43 points for him and 14 rebounds.
Bobby Portis also had a double double with 20 points and 11 rebounds. And obviously, its KD and Kyrie who carry the Nets but it's not enough.

The nets also are the same team, they can't finish the game with a win, also, I notice about Durant's Shooting, he is not as good as During his prime, probably because he was really affected by his previous injury. Durant scored 33 points but he was -17, which means his impact does not help the team much. Also, the Nets lose their aggressiveness in grabbing the ball as they are outrebounded by the Bucks. 54-37, big difference.

They are much dominated by Bucks that's why maybe there's an effect on mental toughness especially with Simmons so they really need to figure out the problem because looking at their rooster they already have solid rooster already its just they need to make this work together and they need chemistry also with consistency.

I almost forgot, yeah, Simmons is considered a star player as he was traded for James Harden, but look at his performance, he was even worse that Russell Westbrook of the LA Lakers. Simmons played 34 points but only made 4 points, I get that he had 9 assists but the Nets really needs to spread their offense, and not rely on Durant and Irving only.

Maybe they cannot rely on Simmons in terms of points but he is a good point guard maybe they should see this as his strength because he can give good screens, rebound and has a great passing ability so I guess from that they should make him a facilitator. They have Durant and Irving for scoring so better if they can make produce on other area like what Green on GSW do.

No doubt that Simmons is a good facilitator, he had a good steal in the closing seconds and then a good assists to KD for a dunk to tie and force OT against the Brooklyn Nets.

But I will say that he needs to score at least 10 points or more. When he was in Philly he was a good second or third option in offensive. Yes, they have a potent 1-2 combination in Kevin Durant and Irving, but as you can see they still lost to the Nets despite scoring almost 40 points. They need someone to score as a 3rd option and that should be Ben.
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October 28, 2022, 04:42:15 AM
Lakers on a 25 to 30 win this season doesn't look like a bold prediction. It's actually closer to reality hehe. Maybe they need some pep talk from guys like Tony Robbins so they stop doubting themselves and lift whatever curse they have. I heard the Warriors hired him during their first championship run.
Lakers over/under on wins this season was 44 games. Anyone who bet the under on that prop bet is probably going to get paid unless the Lakers make some trades prior to the trade deadline. I'm sure they're looking to deal Westbrook for some shooters, but who really wants Westbrook? Where is his value?

The Lakers just deflated Westbrooks value lol.
This will get very interesting for the Lakers on how they're going to get rid of Westbrook, because for sure the Lakers are now actively looking for a good trade more than before.
There's no way they can keep up with this roster, they'll probably going to end up with 25 wins lol. I don't even believe they're chasing after Wembenyama.
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October 28, 2022, 04:19:40 AM
While the Lakers continue to struggle and I guess this could go on to 0-10 as they all have a tougher opponent in thier first 10 games lol.

I bet on the Lakers today thinking they are gonna play hard, but it's still the same, this team has no hope, with or without Westbrook they still continue to struggle. I think Lebron is not anymore the king because he cannot anymore carry his team.  Grin

Yeah, and I thought that same, they have reported that Westbrook will not play, so we assumed that something different is going to happen. But nothing, just the usual Lakers who just didn't have what it takes to have a win. Although their opponent is a tough team, but still at least they should make it close.

Another huge game by Giannis to lead the Bucks against the struggling Nets team. 43 points for him and 14 rebounds.
Bobby Portis also had a double double with 20 points and 11 rebounds. And obviously, its KD and Kyrie who carry the Nets but it's not enough.

The nets also are the same team, they can't finish the game with a win, also, I notice about Durant's Shooting, he is not as good as During his prime, probably because he was really affected by his previous injury. Durant scored 33 points but he was -17, which means his impact does not help the team much. Also, the Nets lose their aggressiveness in grabbing the ball as they are outrebounded by the Bucks. 54-37, big difference.

They are much dominated by Bucks that's why maybe there's an effect on mental toughness especially with Simmons so they really need to figure out the problem because looking at their rooster they already have solid rooster already its just they need to make this work together and they need chemistry also with consistency.

I almost forgot, yeah, Simmons is considered a star player as he was traded for James Harden, but look at his performance, he was even worse that Russell Westbrook of the LA Lakers. Simmons played 34 points but only made 4 points, I get that he had 9 assists but the Nets really needs to spread their offense, and not rely on Durant and Irving only.

Maybe they cannot rely on Simmons in terms of points but he is a good point guard maybe they should see this as his strength because he can give good screens, rebound and has a great passing ability so I guess from that they should make him a facilitator. They have Durant and Irving for scoring so better if they can make produce on other area like what Green on GSW do.
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October 28, 2022, 04:18:02 AM
@boltz, I also agree with you on Bucks versus Nets. We saw a few very brilliant individual performances but not enough team chemistry. Giannis Antrtokounmpo was the pick of the players for the Bucks. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving played well for Nets but in the end that was not enough.
They lack defense. A big one. Not in the painted area but where the players are gaining momentum which is outside. That's why Giannis can break their defense so easily when he starts pressing the turbo mode.
Plus, Giannis is also upgraded now, he is loaded with different options to be offensive because of the shooting addition.
Yes, Nets lack defensively big time but second half Giannis was beast. What a rightful nickname he has, Freak. He also said in the after game press conference, that in the second half he was just being best of himself, not much of a team player. Don't get me wrong, I don't personally like him or his type of playing but I respect him a lot. He is so effective and probably the only guy who is impossible to defend in the league right now. Doncic, Jokic, KD, Lebron etc. all are amazing players but they are more defendable. Giannis is unstoppable. So, in my opinion, Nets actually played better than expected. Even though they lack team chemistry hugely. But they might have a better chemistry soon.
It was really challenging for them to stop Antetokounmpo. Actually, they couldn't stop him at all. This was an explosive performance from him. And @danherbias07 is right about the defense being nonexistent whenever he was on the ball. It was interesting to see the way he was making points that were practically impossible for most people, but not for him, of course.

Giannis was unstoppable throughout the game. He was a freak show. He basically single-handedly brought his team the win. Moreover, I know that he played solo plays a number of times, but as long as he provides results for his team, I do not think anyone should complain about him.



Los Angeles Clippers cannot win against the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's twice in a row already even though their roster is packed with stars.
I just don't understand what is missing on that team. Even without Kawhi Leonard or Paul George, they are still a decent team who should be able to win.
Their offense can come from any player, Wall, Powell, Covington, Kennard, PG, Jackson, that's a lot of offensive players and yet they are having a hard time against OKC.
Their next game will be with Pelicans, I doubt they can win that too.
Los Angeles Clippers were not able to put together a convincing performance in this game. Zubac, Powell, Jackson, and Wall all had a decent outing in this game. In the end, that wouldn't have been enough.

In this context, I am not making a statement based on the fact that the team has players on it. I am saying this in the sense of the performance of the players. Although the team does have competent players on it, there needs to be a boost in the performance of the players.
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October 28, 2022, 02:49:35 AM
We talk about the Lakers far too much on here lol.  I know they've got the second greatest player of all time (Jordan is number for those of you who don't know any better  Cheesy ) and he's quite polarizing, but I for one am excited that there's other teams besides the LA Lakers who are looking exciting this year and have a lot of potential who normally don't year after year (like the Lakers).
It's  because of the drama from last year that has spill over, specially the case of Westbrook, their new coach, and definitely Lebron James. So the spotlight is on their side.

Good game between the Nets and the Mavs, it went into OT, Irving and Durant has a monster game. But Luka takes this game with a triple double performance.
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October 28, 2022, 01:14:17 AM
Great Job Oklahoma City Thunders for ruining my parley, this is just the one that I hated about Parley just 1 miss and all are lost,

here are the results of the game today,

Brooklyn Nets VS Dallas Mavericks SCORE 125 - 129 - WIN

It was pretty much a close game Kevin Durant get 37 points while Kyrie Irving has 39 points, but it was not enough because Luka Doncic decided that it is over for the Nets, and put 100% on the zone mode, with a triple-double of 11 rebounds 14 assist and 41 points, Luka has dominated the Brooklyn Nets,

Oklahoma City Thunder VS Los Angeles Clippers SCORE 118 - 110 - LOST

And this happens when the Thunders decided to ruin my day by winning against the Clippers, I really thought that the Clippers will win this game, well, I think it is also my fault for not looking at the injuries because Kawhi Leonard has an injury again on his knee, great job Kawhi Leonard, well that is really frustrating,

Sacramento Kings VS Memphis Grizzlies SCORE 110 - 125 - WIN

Surely the Grizzlies are very dominant from start to finish and this is surely a one-sided game, well I think there is no need to explain this match any further,

Golden State Warriors VS Miami Heat SCORE 123 - 110 - WIN

1st half the Golden State Warriors are tremendously dominant against the Heat, even in the later half of the game surely a slight one-sided game as well,

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October 28, 2022, 12:41:49 AM
Los Angeles Clippers cannot win against the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's twice in a row already even though their roster is packed with stars.
I just don't understand what is missing on that team. Even without Kawhi Leonard or Paul George, they are still a decent team who should be able to win.
Their offense can come from any player, Wall, Powell, Covington, Kennard, PG, Jackson, that's a lot of offensive players and yet they are having a hard time against OKC.
Their next game will be with Pelicans, I doubt they can win that too.
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October 27, 2022, 11:44:54 PM
Lakers on a 25 to 30 win this season doesn't look like a bold prediction. It's actually closer to reality hehe. Maybe they need some pep talk from guys like Tony Robbins so they stop doubting themselves and lift whatever curse they have. I heard the Warriors hired him during their first championship run.
Lakers over/under on wins this season was 44 games. Anyone who bet the under on that prop bet is probably going to get paid unless the Lakers make some trades prior to the trade deadline. I'm sure they're looking to deal Westbrook for some shooters, but who really wants Westbrook? Where is his value?
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October 27, 2022, 11:06:51 PM
Lakers on a 25 to 30 win this season doesn't look like a bold prediction. It's actually closer to reality hehe. Maybe they need some pep talk from guys like Tony Robbins so they stop doubting themselves and lift whatever curse they have. I heard the Warriors hired him during their first championship run.

If their line-up remains like this the whole season then that win numbers prediction is realistic. The Lakers have too many PGs now in Westbrook, Nunn, Schroeder, and Beverly while they are short of the other positions. But I cannot really say that the Lakers won't improve later this season seeing their losses aren't really that bad. Teams like the Nets, Heat, and 76ers are struggling this early season too but I expect them to gain their momentum soon and start winning again. Although I am less confident about the Lakers compared to the teams I mentioned.
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October 27, 2022, 10:25:11 PM
We talk about the Lakers far too much on here lol.  I know they've got the second greatest player of all time (Jordan is number for those of you who don't know any better  Cheesy ) and he's quite polarizing, but I for one am excited that there's other teams besides the LA Lakers who are looking exciting this year and have a lot of potential who normally don't year after year (like the Lakers).

The Lakers are the only team with good drama, mostly because their problems are all their own doing. We also talk a lot about the Nets for the same reason. Speaking of the Nets, Ben Simmons just airballed a layup. I’ve never seen that before… On one hand, at least he shot the ball from inside the key. On the other hand, he clearly has some serious mental issues he’s trying to work through as he’s still missing shots that most 3rd graders could easily make.
Lakers are team with most drama even last season and people loves dramas, isn't it? Especially in the NBA that's why people here talked too much about the Lakers where in fact, they aren't a playoff contender just by looking at their roster. Their big 3 obviously isn't working and their other players. I don't see any of them that can be a role player that can help or at least take over in one night.

Got baited by Morant, airball layups and many more to come. This is what we will expect for Simmons I guess for the whole season and again, they lost against the Mavericks in overtime. Luka scored a 40-point triple double and on the other hand, Kyrie and KD scored 39 and 37 points.
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October 27, 2022, 07:23:31 PM
We talk about the Lakers far too much on here lol.  I know they've got the second greatest player of all time (Jordan is number for those of you who don't know any better  Cheesy ) and he's quite polarizing, but I for one am excited that there's other teams besides the LA Lakers who are looking exciting this year and have a lot of potential who normally don't year after year (like the Lakers).

The Lakers are the only team with good drama, mostly because their problems are all their own doing. We also talk a lot about the Nets for the same reason. Speaking of the Nets, Ben Simmons just airballed a layup. I’ve never seen that before… On one hand, at least he shot the ball from inside the key. On the other hand, he clearly has some serious mental issues he’s trying to work through as he’s still missing shots that most 3rd graders could easily make.
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October 27, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
We talk about the Lakers far too much on here lol.  I know they've got the second greatest player of all time (Jordan is number for those of you who don't know any better  Cheesy ) and he's quite polarizing, but I for one am excited that there's other teams besides the LA Lakers who are looking exciting this year and have a lot of potential who normally don't year after year (like the Lakers).
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October 27, 2022, 06:07:46 PM
Lakers on a 25 to 30 win this season doesn't look like a bold prediction. It's actually closer to reality hehe. Maybe they need some pep talk from guys like Tony Robbins so they stop doubting themselves and lift whatever curse they have. I heard the Warriors hired him during their first championship run.
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October 27, 2022, 04:21:37 PM
With or without Russ , Lakers still lost so I don't think the problem is Russ and most likely the entire team has a problem and they don't want to play together anymore. But wait , they are not alone because 76ers are looking like Huston 3 years ago when Harder was trying to win games by himself and he is trying but he is trying alone ... . Anyway, I'm happy with my team Bulls with the W and Bucks gave no chance to Nets...another Lakers and 76ers story is happening there as well. Grin
The Lakers have started this season really badly, I honestly didn't think they would lose so many games. They actually didn't play badly against the Denver Nuggets, but the overall performance of the team wasn't enough to win the game. The Nuggets have an amazing player like Jokic.
The Lakers need new shooters to get out of this situation, with new players to replace Westbrook, the team could get a lot better Smiley
The sad thing about them is the fact that there is nothing they could do about it neither. Like they are bad right now and if they change something up then they will become good? That is not possible, the roster sucks big time, they have a terrible roster and Lebron is looking for a way out right away, he doesn't want to spend last 1-2 years in a terrible team.

Long story short, Lakers will be tanking this year, and not even getting any proper rookies because they don't own their picks, and they are just going to suck because they suck and not tanking for wembeyamba. Alli n all I am guessing that they will finish the season with about 25 wins give or take, if they get any better maybe 30 wins but that’s it, they are just too terrible.

That's a bold prediction, hehehe, but yeah, they are already tanking so that is a sign that bad things is still on their way.

They really need just one big to break this curse, at least a win that can bring the team back, including a win to their new coach. Just really hard to imagine them again this season not making the playoffs and the camaraderie of Lebron and Davis ending this way because of the bad choice of getting Westbrook. At least when they got Davis, they won a ring together with Lebron. But when Russ entered, it's a different story. Maybe Lebron will brake the record of Jabbar, but it could mean that they are not going to make the playoffs again. So let's see where the 3 will go in the next month or so. Darvin Ham's job is also on the line this season.
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October 27, 2022, 03:29:39 PM
How different is it? Both of them happened to be an assistant coach the same roster for quite some years before they have promoted to be the head coach of the same team they acted as an assistant years before, the only difference is Darvin Ham acted the job much longer way back when there is still Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal in the Lakers way back in 2011. Yet it seems that Darvin Ham is more struggling in the job unlike Mazzulla who had a much easier journey.

Joe Mazzulla's path is easier. He was the assistant coach of the same team with the same roster that went to the finals the year before. He does not have to change a lot of things and the team can still be effective. He can just run the same plays the previous coach had run. He just needs to improve on it so they can finish higher this year.

Darvin Ham, on the other hand, has to coach a team that did not make it to the playoffs the last season, has divas as stars, and a team that was built by a GM that looks like he does not know what he is doing. The team composition is a mess with too many guards that cannot make outside shots. He has been with the Lakers before but that was when it was Kobe Bryant's era, not the poorly assembled Lebron James team.

With or without Russ , Lakers still lost so I don't think the problem is Russ and most likely the entire team has a problem and they don't want to play together anymore. But wait , they are not alone because 76ers are looking like Huston 3 years ago when Harder was trying to win games by himself and he is trying but he is trying alone ... . Anyway, I'm happy with my team Bulls with the W and Bucks gave no chance to Nets...another Lakers and 76ers story is happening there as well. Grin

The Lakers have started this season really badly, I honestly didn't think they would lose so many games. They actually didn't play badly against the Denver Nuggets, but the overall performance of the team wasn't enough to win the game. The Nuggets have an amazing player like Jokic.
The Lakers need new shooters to get out of this situation, with new players to replace Westbrook, the team could get a lot better Smiley

I agree that they need shooters, a lot of them. They need two-way role players that can shoot and defend. If they trade Westbrook, it can open up a lot of cap space. Then they can maybe get 2 or 3 two way role players that could work with Lebron and Davis. I do not say it can win a championship, but it is better than what they have now.
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October 27, 2022, 03:28:10 PM
@boltz, I also agree with you on Bucks versus Nets. We saw a few very brilliant individual performances but not enough team chemistry. Giannis Antrtokounmpo was the pick of the players for the Bucks. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving played well for Nets but in the end that was not enough.
They lack defense. A big one. Not in the painted area but where the players are gaining momentum which is outside. That's why Giannis can break their defense so easily when he starts pressing the turbo mode.
Plus, Giannis is also upgraded now, he is loaded with different options to be offensive because of the shooting addition.
Yes, Nets lack defensively big time but second half Giannis was beast. What a rightful nickname he has, Freak. He also said in the after game press conference, that in the second half he was just being best of himself, not much of a team player. Don't get me wrong, I don't personally like him or his type of playing but I respect him a lot. He is so effective and probably the only guy who is impossible to defend in the league right now. Doncic, Jokic, KD, Lebron etc. all are amazing players but they are more defendable. Giannis is unstoppable. So, in my opinion, Nets actually played better than expected. Even though they lack team chemistry hugely. But they might have a better chemistry soon.
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October 27, 2022, 02:02:02 PM
With or without Russ , Lakers still lost so I don't think the problem is Russ and most likely the entire team has a problem and they don't want to play together anymore. But wait , they are not alone because 76ers are looking like Huston 3 years ago when Harder was trying to win games by himself and he is trying but he is trying alone ... . Anyway, I'm happy with my team Bulls with the W and Bucks gave no chance to Nets...another Lakers and 76ers story is happening there as well. Grin
The Lakers have started this season really badly, I honestly didn't think they would lose so many games. They actually didn't play badly against the Denver Nuggets, but the overall performance of the team wasn't enough to win the game. The Nuggets have an amazing player like Jokic.
The Lakers need new shooters to get out of this situation, with new players to replace Westbrook, the team could get a lot better Smiley
The sad thing about them is the fact that there is nothing they could do about it neither. Like they are bad right now and if they change something up then they will become good? That is not possible, the roster sucks big time, they have a terrible roster and Lebron is looking for a way out right away, he doesn't want to spend last 1-2 years in a terrible team.

Long story short, Lakers will be tanking this year, and not even getting any proper rookies because they don't own their picks, and they are just going to suck because they suck and not tanking for wembeyamba. Alli n all I am guessing that they will finish the season with about 25 wins give or take, if they get any better maybe 30 wins but that’s it, they are just too terrible.
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October 27, 2022, 10:32:14 AM
With or without Russ , Lakers still lost so I don't think the problem is Russ and most likely the entire team has a problem and they don't want to play together anymore. But wait , they are not alone because 76ers are looking like Huston 3 years ago when Harder was trying to win games by himself and he is trying but he is trying alone ... . Anyway, I'm happy with my team Bulls with the W and Bucks gave no chance to Nets...another Lakers and 76ers story is happening there as well. Grin

The Lakers have started this season really badly, I honestly didn't think they would lose so many games. They actually didn't play badly against the Denver Nuggets, but the overall performance of the team wasn't enough to win the game. The Nuggets have an amazing player like Jokic.
The Lakers need new shooters to get out of this situation, with new players to replace Westbrook, the team could get a lot better Smiley
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October 27, 2022, 10:26:29 AM
I also thought some reasons on why does the Lakers have this poor performance and came to a conclusion that maybe their coach was one of the reason that affects their chemistry but the Celtics had the same situation too yet they didn't had a hard time since the season started, now they have a good record of 3 wins out of four games. Surely the Lakers haven't yet solved their own puzzles that's why they are struggling.

It seems to me that the head coaches of the Celtics and the Lakers are in different situations. Mazzulla has been an assistant coach with the Celtics since 2019. So I think it was easy for him to adapt as a head coach because he already knows the players and coaching staff of the Celtics for a long time, while Ham may clearly be more difficult in this aspect.
By the way, there are rumors that Westbrook may miss the upcoming game against the Nuggets. It will be funny if the Lakers win without him, although the Nuggets are clearly not an easy opponent.

How different is it? Both of them happened to be an assistant coach the same roster for quite some years before they have promoted to be the head coach of the same team they acted as an assistant years before, the only difference is Darvin Ham acted the job much longer way back when there is still Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal in the Lakers way back in 2011. Yet it seems that Darvin Ham is more struggling in the job unlike Mazzulla who had a much easier journey.
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