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Quote from: GreatArkansas on August 13, 2019, 02:54:13 AM

Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

I appreciate that you made an effort to show that graph, but can you explain further on how to read that graph.
What I only understand is what is written in the legend which is red for SMB and blue is for TNT.

Sorry for my ignorance, I hope you'll be able to educate me about that.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 12, 2019, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Botnake on August 12, 2019, 11:21:30 PM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

But it happens already so accept the reality and move on.and maybe we can see great action the next games .i hate what happened last game 4 when Jones was thrown out but things like this is normal though is championship game is not.the Beermen must be doing more as for sure tnt will best them on this final

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Where TNT Katropa really lack? For me, is in the second half of every game.
And San Miguel Beer is really aggressive on the second half.

The offense of TNT Katropa is decreasing every second half of most of their games, and what I noticed on the San Miguel Beer team is they have this tactic where the import of TNT is being guarded and let the import get tired on the first half of the game, like, they let the San Miguel Beer's import guard the TNT Katropa import for their first half of the game. While the local of San Miguel Beer will do the scores.

Game 5 will be the deciding game for me, whoever will win the Game 5 will be my champion, still I am rooting for TNT Katropa will do it, I hope they already figured out where should they improve.

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Quote from: Japinat on August 12, 2019, 11:33:01 PM

Quote from: Botnake on August 12, 2019, 11:21:30 PM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

Expect an adjustment more in game 5, this is a crucial game for both teams as whoever wins this is just one win away from Championship.
Jones remains consistent but TNT was not able to get a help from their bench players which only 1 player has score but with only 3 points.

SMB did a better job involving their bench and managing the minutes, also one factor is that Pogoy did not score much, he only scored 9 points coming off from being the best player of the game in game 3.

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Quote from: Botnake on August 12, 2019, 11:21:30 PM

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

I agree with this but let's just accept that it already happened and we can't go back in the past, sure SMB also made big mistakes in the series but what's important is that both teams were able to correct their mistakes and adjust accordingly and that resulted to a tied series now.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 07:34:01 PM

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Lassiter's injury is a loss to the SMB team, with him in the floor he can hustle and when he is hot in 3 point shooting, that would make the defense focus on him and that will free up June Mar Fajardo and the import. If I'm not mistaken, TNT has a good shooting percentage in 3 points in the past 4 games while SMB could have improve their 3 point shooting if they have lassiter which is their most reliable 3 point shooter and he is tall so he can help defend and rebound the ball which is in every game they are out rebounded by TNT.

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

Well, between the 2 teams, TNT is more efficient with their offense and defense and I know SMB understand that and there strategy was focus on distracting Jones, force him to loss focus and be emotional and they were successful in some point when Jones were ejected of 2 tech, sit out for flagrant foul and that's the time also when they start a rally but Jones is just so good, even TNT is down, they can come back and win the game.

I would say this game would have been 3-1 if Jones wasn't ejected in game 2.

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I will be neutral on this opinion because there are good and bad things that happened with Lassiter out for the finals.
One good reason is that, some of the local guards of SMB stepped up like Romeo, Pessumal, Cabagnot and Ross and take note they are shooting threes and good defenders too. They can do what Lassiter can do too.
One bad reason maybe is that the three points of Lassiter can affect the team but like I said, the local guards stepped up in the playoffs and did well in Game 4.

Overall, they are still the same but I don't like how they play in the past 3 games. Full of flops and physicality. Maybe the physicality is considerable but the flops?? I don't think so. Game 4 is a clean win for SMB. No Flops but there are some physicality which is normal already in Finals.

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Quote from: stadus on August 12, 2019, 06:23:34 PM

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Lassiter's injury is a loss to the SMB team, with him in the floor he can hustle and when he is hot in 3 point shooting, that would make the defense focus on him and that will free up June Mar Fajardo and the import. If I'm not mistaken, TNT has a good shooting percentage in 3 points in the past 4 games while SMB could have improve their 3 point shooting if they have lassiter which is their most reliable 3 point shooter and he is tall so he can help defend and rebound the ball which is in every game they are out rebounded by TNT.

Yes, he is good. No doubt about that. And yes a big loss but not that big. SMB is the most complete team in the PBA that even their bench players are not trash. But even Lassiter is there, it's not an assurance that SMB will now be on 3-1 lead.

It's like saying that TNT is complete trash because they are nothing against SMB if Lassiter is not there.

For sure, even he is there, TNT will found a way to deal with him at any cost.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on August 12, 2019, 02:15:53 PM

Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

TNT has the better chance to win the title, but the series are tied and the ball is round so anything can happen. No matter what, these two teams shows great talents, and great basketball here in the Philippines. Let's keep watching and continue to support PBL, and MPBL as well.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 12, 2019, 06:56:10 PM

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

Lassiter is part of the SMB's death line-up and he could be a big help if he is not injured but at the same time it does not guarantee that they will have an edge on this series. We have seen Lassiter struggle from the 3's also but we can't deny the fact that he is also a good defender and there is no off night if you are one hell of a defender. The real strength of SMB is Fajardo and they should continue to find him down low for that high percentage field goal.

It all comes down to JMF after all. When he got the ball, he can see open teammates behind the arc but as we can see there is no one who is deadly in that area. Lassiter is the missing piece for the offense of SMB since he has the highest percentage for three point field goals. It would have been 3-1 if Lassiter was able to play but worry not because SMB got the ref in replacement for Lassiter. LOL!

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on August 12, 2019, 02:15:53 PM

Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

Lassiter is part of the SMB's death line-up and he could be a big help if he is not injured but at the same time it does not guarantee that they will have an edge on this series. We have seen Lassiter struggle from the 3's also but we can't deny the fact that he is also a good defender and there is no off night if you are one hell of a defender. The real strength of SMB is Fajardo and they should continue to find him down low for that high percentage field goal.

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Quote from: goinmerry on August 12, 2019, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on August 12, 2019, 02:15:53 PM

Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

Lassiter's injury is a loss to the SMB team, with him in the floor he can hustle and when he is hot in 3 point shooting, that would make the defense focus on him and that will free up June Mar Fajardo and the import. If I'm not mistaken, TNT has a good shooting percentage in 3 points in the past 4 games while SMB could have improve their 3 point shooting if they have lassiter which is their most reliable 3 point shooter and he is tall so he can help defend and rebound the ball which is in every game they are out rebounded by TNT.

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on August 12, 2019, 02:15:53 PM

Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

So you believed Lassiter is the game-changer? lol. You are really a die-hard SMB fan or maybe you believed on that because you have funds that currently at stake in the SMB side. Cheesy

He is the counterpart of Chris Ross and no way Austria will always put these 2 on the floor at the same time. His disappearance honestly makes Austria thinks of a better lineup since he will not destroy the starters. SMB is not always an unstoppable team like others look at this team for the past conferences.

TNT is just playing good. Let's admit that even what's our favorites. Even an SMB fan look at that way.

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Quote from: Nellayar on August 11, 2019, 05:54:37 PM

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

I don't think so. They are not as cohesive and I think the SMB head coach has been experimenting a lot in the first four games of this series. With Lassiter in the line up, SMB may be 3-1 up by now.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 11, 2019, 11:13:29 PM

IMO, this is the only conference that TNT got better and that is because of their very talented import.
They develop a good chemistry and I'm sure even if they will not win in the Finals this time, their chemistry is already good and they can be more competitive in the next conference, their main weapon is their outside shooting, they really shot a lot with good percentage.

TNT is really at their current high career peek. Dominating almost every game during the playoffs is pretty convincing. They have a lot of good shooters and then suddenly Jones comes in bringing the current TNT games into higher level.

TNT right now for me is the dominant team because of Jones. If the SMB import or Fajardo can stop this guy. I am pretty sure that this will be an easy win for them (but is currently not the cased). But then again this game finals is really tight because both are pretty strong teams.

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Quote from: Clark05 on August 11, 2019, 06:22:22 PM

Im one of the fan of the PBA once they have game I watch in television I really love basketball. My favorite team from the PBA Is the TNT because I saw them a team work and dedication for winning for their every game that team also have a lot of good player. But the other team also is good but TNT is more better. Many Filipinos have different bet team in PBA depends on what they saw to the game every they watch.

IMO, this is the only conference that TNT got better and that is because of their very talented import.
They develop a good chemistry and I'm sure even if they will not win in the Finals this time, their chemistry is already good and they can be more competitive in the next conference, their main weapon is their outside shooting, they really shot a lot with good percentage.

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Im one of the fan of the PBA once they have game I watch in television I really love basketball. My favorite team from the PBA Is the TNT because I saw them a team work and dedication for winning for their every game that team also have a lot of good player. But the other team also is good but TNT is more better. Many Filipinos have different bet team in PBA depends on what they saw to the game every they watch.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 11, 2019, 08:04:14 AM

This is a good series, and might reach to 7 games.
Tonight SMB won the game and the series is tied at 2 a piece, SMB are really good in distracting Jones and he got 1 technical in this game, hopefully the next game he will be more focus and will take the lead in the series.

Overall it's a fun game because I also won my bet at TNT/SMB full time.

The PBA commoners cup finals is a classic season. These two different teams show their potential abilities and performances in every game. A lot of three point shot that launches by two teams and looks like no one wants to be left. Every game has their own hero. It is a splendid game 4. I hope the series will go far more up to Game 7.

Without Lassiter, SMB's performance remain the same.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 11, 2019, 08:04:14 AM

Overall it's a fun game because I also won my bet at TNT/SMB full time.

Congrats on your win, as for me i got the opposite as i thought that Junemar will still not be a factor down below. Anyway this is a series and TNT will make adjustment on game 5 and i will stick to my plan to bet on TNT on the remaining games. Nice game, no drama, no flopping until the 40th minute but the referee were quick to act on it (Santos and Jones commotion).

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Quote from: mirakal on August 11, 2019, 08:28:56 AM

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Quote from: mirakal on August 11, 2019, 08:04:14 AM

This is a good series, and might reach to 7 games.

Yup!

I'm pretty happy with the SMB's ball movement this time. Outside shooters dropping 3's while Fajardo was also moving well and scoring inside the paint. I hope SMB's multiple championship experience will prevail in Games 5,6, or 7 (if needed).

Down to 3 games only, and I think I already saw the pattern of this game, next winner will be TNT then SMB, then TNT, so in short, it will be TNT that will be the champion this season? Would you agree with that?

Nice pattern there buddy but let’s not forget that ball is circle and anything may happen in the court ,Talk and Text is really dominating the championship with Jones in their position but SMB is a former champion and eager to have a back to back so let’s expect a good 3 games here.

Quote from: Ranly123 on August 11, 2019, 09:04:13 AM

The series is now tied at two a piece, so either of both teams does not want to give the championship without a fight. For me, TNT will win this conference's champion against SMB.

What I can see here is the winner in game 5 will take the trophy of being a champion.

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