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legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
September 01, 2013, 01:42:43 AM
#49
They probably want to get their money out of gox and have no choice in the matter? Buy BTC and transfer out?

Once out, they will then deposit into BitStamp. taking advantage of arbitrage. Some people just don't know how the Stock Market works.  Roll Eyes

How do you arbitrage by purchasing bitcoins on an exchange with a higher price and then transferring them to an exchange with a lower price?

I'm not exactly sure how it's done, but I think it somehow involves a second person acting as the liaison between the two exchanges. Then, when the lower priced exchange rises, money is pulled out and put in the other exchange that has also risen the same exact percentage, thus not losing anything during the transfer. Soon, though, Mt Gox starts rising again, whereupon, say, at a 10% increase, once again money is pulled out and put back into Bitstamp, or maybe even a lesser used exchange to somehow cloak the traders intent/identity, for nobody wants to be caught red-handed practicing such a practice.

I hope my description of arbitrage helps those that weren't aware of how it works.

Happy trading!
sr. member
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August 31, 2013, 09:17:52 PM
#48
Man, do I regret cashing out $5000 yesterday!
Still, needed the the money. Just how long can one wait, eh?

Nobody spends money with deflating prices, anyone?
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 08:46:34 PM
#47
Maybe, but I'd think anyone with that much money at stake would be working with Gox to get the money transferred our rather than taking a $250k haircut. Unless they have some inside info that Gox's collapse is imminent.

After FBI seized 5.8M USD from mtgox, I doubt they are still solvent enough to cash out 25000 BTC in USD.

unless GOX is buying coins from bitstamp, etc., selling those coins at their inflated prices.  they can probably still cash withdrawal fiat to their own domestic bank in japan.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 07:46:00 PM
#46
Maybe, but I'd think anyone with that much money at stake would be working with Gox to get the money transferred our rather than taking a $250k haircut. Unless they have some inside info that Gox's collapse is imminent.

After FBI seized 5.8M USD from mtgox, I doubt they are still solvent enough to cash out 25000 BTC in USD.
sr. member
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August 31, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
#45
The network seems to jumping by leaps and bounds everyday, but just today it exploded some 30% from 600 TH to 800 TH. Jesus...

Anyone know if this is ASICminer turning on some massive number of new hashers, or what?

BFL has been shipping OODLES of Jalapenos and 60GH Singles. They've flown through the 3 weeks of orders in a matter of a single work week. They probably are arriving in a steady fashion. I know I just got mine yesterday as a July 10th order, and they claim they're up to July 22nd already.

Also, while Im here, can someone explain to me why CampBX or others typically have BTC cheaper than Mtgox? What is preventing people from just buying CampBX and then selling Mtgox almost instantly?
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 06:39:33 PM
#44
The network seems to jumping by leaps and bounds everyday, but just today it exploded some 30% from 600 TH to 800 TH. Jesus...

Anyone know if this is ASICminer turning on some massive number of new hashers, or what?

Likely a tag team effort from the 100TH/s MegaBigPower mine and 200TH/s GigaHashIO ramping up their hash hulks. Will ASICMiner pool become uneconomical and phase themselves out though?  Shocked
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 06:06:55 PM
#43
The network seems to jumping by leaps and bounds everyday, but just today it exploded some 30% from 600 TH to 800 TH. Jesus...

Anyone know if this is ASICminer turning on some massive number of new hashers, or what?

I would guess it is an asic company using community pre order money to build their own farm and then ship once the easy money has been made.
full member
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August 31, 2013, 05:25:18 PM
#42
The network seems to jumping by leaps and bounds everyday, but just today it exploded some 30% from 600 TH to 800 TH. Jesus...

Anyone know if this is ASICminer turning on some massive number of new hashers, or what?
legendary
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This is not OK.
August 31, 2013, 05:19:30 PM
#41
Man, do I regret cashing out $5000 yesterday!
Still, needed the the money. Just how long can one wait, eh?
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
August 31, 2013, 04:57:53 PM
#40
you fools ... people in the EU can also do SEPA Euro transfers out of gox....  it is only the dollar based accounts that need to convert...
legendary
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yes
August 31, 2013, 12:28:58 PM
#39
Anyone have any idea why the price jumped yet again?

All fiat starts to jump in. Nobody wants to be left behind.
full member
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August 31, 2013, 12:20:27 PM
#38
Anyone have any idea why the price jumped yet again?
hero member
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August 31, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
#37
The "People want money out of Gox" is a load of rubbish

Get on the train fella's.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
August 31, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
#36
They probably want to get their money out of gox and have no choice in the matter? Buy BTC and transfer out?

Once out, they will then deposit into BitStamp. taking advantage of arbitrage. Some people just don't know how the Stock Market works.  Roll Eyes
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
August 31, 2013, 09:18:54 AM
#35

1. stumble ass-backwards into an awesome, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
2. f*&k up publically almost every step of the way, relying on the fact that you were first on the scene and have a near-monopoly to push you through your "growing pains"
3. fail to make even basic steps towards operational competency, run afoul of the U.S. government, have your millions of casually strewn-about millions of dollars in a sketchy online financial conduit service seized, and lose not just monopoly but your ability to provide the basic services of a market to most of your customers
4. Huh
5. Profit!

But they have been raking in bunches of money from the commissions, why didn't they pay somebody to fix all the glaring problems? It must be some sort of plot, they have remained just good enough to keep the #1 volume spot, thereby holding all of bitcoin down from its true potential!
full member
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August 31, 2013, 08:36:16 AM
#34

What people seem to assume is that Mt Gox's back story has any credence at all: even if they did start out as a genuine Magic the Gathering trading site that just so happened to end up as the biggest cryptocurrency exchange out there, the credibility of that transformation is missing a key step in the narrative. At some point, a very big fish in Japanese power broking got involved, they could not have got such a web platform (16 major currencies?) to where it is and continue it without that kind of cooperation. I'd be very concerned about Japanese regulatory investigations into Gox's business, but there have been precisely zero such forays, not even a hint. Whoever their backer is, they're significant members of the global political food chain. They're not letting their massive gamble of a venture go down in a hurry, or without a fight. I wonder exactly what sort of turbulence this outfit has really caused behind closed doors up until now.

Anyone who really believes this is just the natural evolution of a gaming card website is excruciatingly naive. It's not going away in the short term.

That is a hilarious example of classic conspiracy theorizing. As a rule, conspiracy theories must attribute a near-omnipotent amount of unchecked power to some supernaturally competent and all-knowing antagonist.  Applying this to an outfit as clearly amateurish and out of their depth as the Mt Gox crew (bless them, I wish them well, but really...) is just laughable.

Presumably their long, documented history of very public mistakes, blatant security breaches, poor technical performance under pressure, operational front-end and interface that looks like it was hacked together by some version of Dreamweaver from the 90s, legal s&*tstorms involving seizure of huge chunks of operating revenue, and near strangulation by the financial industry today is all part of their master plan!

1. stumble ass-backwards into an awesome, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity
2. f*&k up publically almost every step of the way, relying on the fact that you were first on the scene and have a near-monopoly to push you through your "growing pains"
3. fail to make even basic steps towards operational competency, run afoul of the U.S. government, have your millions of casually strewn-about millions of dollars in a sketchy online financial conduit service seized, and lose not just monopoly but your ability to provide the basic services of a market to most of your customers
4. Huh
5. Profit!

Oh man, I have not laughed so hard in a long, long time.
full member
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August 31, 2013, 07:01:58 AM
#33
None of this explains why Bitstamp, CampBX and btc-e all recorded the same magnitude jump simultaneously

That is the way arbitrage works. The person who bought all those coins had to buy them from other people. Some of those people have fiat sitting at other exchanges. When their bitcoins are sold on Gox they buy the same number of coins at other exchanges at the lower price for an instant profit.
There is no profit, instant or delayed, unless they can move fiat out of gox, and into their own hands. Gox deposits are not insured. There is no arbitrage, there is only gambling on the fate of gox.

they did pay up the customers when there was a giant leak on GOX!
hero member
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There is more to Bitcoin than bitcoins.
August 31, 2013, 12:51:57 AM
#32
None of this explains why Bitstamp, CampBX and btc-e all recorded the same magnitude jump simultaneously

That is the way arbitrage works. The person who bought all those coins had to buy them from other people. Some of those people have fiat sitting at other exchanges. When their bitcoins are sold on Gox they buy the same number of coins at other exchanges at the lower price for an instant profit.
There is no profit, instant or delayed, unless they can move fiat out of gox, and into their own hands. Gox deposits are not insured. There is no arbitrage, there is only gambling on the fate of gox.
legendary
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August 31, 2013, 12:38:13 AM
#31
Actual NET purchases look to be only 15k initially with about 5k coins then coming out of limbo to reduce the total change to 10k, that's the amount that the BTC depth has dropped by (from 50k to 40k) and that drop in depth is what causes prices to rise.  Trading volume has normally been twice the amount of actual depth decline in all of these whale purchases.

At this rate only 4 more large whale purchases of this size will EMPTY GOX and at the rate they are occurring this will take just 2 weeks.

People are really really being lulled into a false sense of security by looking at these rising numbers, people need to realize that Gox and by association BTC is becoming ILLIQUID and that is fatal, the only value of BTC is that it is liquid.

Asks dropped from 56,000 to 38,000.

So, over 20k of market order buys, somewhere under 5k of sells into the walls.

 
sr. member
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August 30, 2013, 11:28:33 PM
#30
Actual NET purchases look to be only 15k initially with about 5k coins then coming out of limbo to reduce the total change to 10k, that's the amount that the BTC depth has dropped by (from 50k to 40k) and that drop in depth is what causes prices to rise.  Trading volume has normally been twice the amount of actual depth decline in all of these whale purchases.

At this rate only 4 more large whale purchases of this size will EMPTY GOX and at the rate they are occurring this will take just 2 weeks.

People are really really being lulled into a false sense of security by looking at these rising numbers, people need to realize that Gox and by association BTC is becoming ILLIQUID and that is fatal, the only value of BTC is that it is liquid.
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