No Micon, I do not want to make the same bet you and MRB made. That bet is also based on whether they meet specific MH/Joule requirements, which I do not want to bet on. I want to bet on them delivering an ASIC device that works (creates valid hashes for the Bitcoin network) by the end of 2013, regardless of speed or power usage to at least two forum members that prove they are running (video or pictures or ??).
If you believe they aren't going to deliver (which is what you keep stating over and over again), you shouldn't have any problem with this.
If you believe they aren't going to deliver (which is what you keep stating over and over again), you shouldn't have any problem with this.
When making a wager, both sides must agree. If you look at mrb's and my discussion, a standard practice is to suggest terms, then refine on both sides until both parties agree.
To have a 20 coin bet with me I would like:
-- statement of a certain Mhash/Joule that proves that this BFL ASIC is a significant step up from the current top miners - that is the point of ASIC - to hash the proof-of-work problem much faster and more energy efficient than current FPGAs, as I understand it the current top dog - they claim ~ 20x-30x as fast right? current FPGA top metrics around 25 Mhash/Joule? Let's find a number you and I are both comfortable with it - as your statement reads, BFL could ship you some thumbdrive that creates 1 valid hash using your CPU and you would win the bet.
Also there is no need for taunting - I won't say to you "why won't you bet me at same terms if you are so sure BFL will ship an ASIC based on specs they describe?" - I will simply go back and forth and list out the terms that would make me accept the wager.
What about a statement such as 10x shipments at 5x current top Mhash/Joule ratings? And excuse the newb-ness to mining, but what is top Mhash/J ATM? it is FPGA cards?
I'll bet that BFL will put out at least as efficient as Avalon's advertised specs. So that's 400w @ 60GH/s. Is that agreeable? It is a vast improvement over even FPGA's, where 60 GH/s would consume almost 6,000w.
I'd rather not go as high as 10 end customers, simply because it might be difficult to find 10 individuals willing to post proof of ASIC delivery. I'm not sure that there's even 10 different people who have posted pictures of FPGA's.
So then, my new bet proposal is this:
I'll bet 20 BTC that BFL will ship out an ASIC miner capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 end customers by the end of 2013.
You have a bet if you make it by 7/1/2013 - they said they ship in Feb. and I don't want to wait all year for this bet to settle. Those 40 coins could be worth $10k by then and I may need a WSOP main even buy in
I feel 7/1 is more than fair given the current timeframe directly from BFL, it keeps everything nice and clean for me, and even allows you months and months of further delays past their posted timeframe. If BFL is real, this seems like an easy win for you under these terms.
What's the next step? I don't entirely understand Casascuis' escrow system yet...
Casascuis would send us 2 parts of an invite code - one starting envsomethignA and one starting envsomethingB we both put the codes as either the "payer" or the "payee" and we generate the same bitcoin address. When one of us conceeds, the loser sends the winner the invite code they don't have. Winners puts both codes together in this btc-address program C will have to give you to download and somehow that generates the private key and then somehow those coins can then move at your whim. I hope
