Topic: 3000-6000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge - 9/18/12 Update - page 15. (Read 55301 times)

No. It's genetics, not magic.

You don't think an altered perception could be what makes up the disorder?

No, autism is a disorder, not just a different way of looking at the world.

 My nephew has a severe mental disorder that effects his quality of life in every imaginable way.  He can barely communicate, much less function in any sort of ordinary fashion and will need supervised care for the rest of his life. He will never be able to be a part of normal society in any way.

 You have to be an absolute moron to think that a low functioning autist just " sees the world different" as opposed to having a disorder. It's fucking offensive to wave off other people's disorders, don't you get that? Or are to to spoiled and inexperienced in life to understand why you are pissing people off?

Ah, yes, the good old "anything is possible" approach, clearly dismissing centuries of modern medecine because hey, maybe drinkin mercury might help.

Hint they tried that, along with a suprinzingly vast amount of other things. I also have a feeling you're going tolatch on this specific example.

As for a standard on human perception, no, there isn't one, but an acceptable ballpark norm is to ask "if I leave this person alone for a week, with ressources required, will I come back and find a corpse?". You don't seem to grasp that full blown autism isn't an alternate way of seeing the world, it's being unable to interact with it to a degree which any of the daily activities you undertake will end in failure, injury or death, never mind leading a productive and fulfilled life.

To allow a victim of the disease to thrive and be happy, they need to have someone with them day in day out.

And finally, all mental disorders you list are in your head, as in perceived?

Oh dear.

Bipolar affective disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder#Causes
Tl;dr genetic predisposition

Anxiety attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attacks#Causes
Tl;dr genetic predisposition or situational trigger, fight or flight adrenalin upshot

Stress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_(biology)#Neurochemistry
Tl;dr brain chemistry shenanigans, including modifiers on serotonin, cortisol and a bunch other

Depression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_(biology)#Neurochemistry
Tl;dr more brain shenanigans, revolving around serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine

There are physiological bases to all those. Yes, the problem resides inside you, in the sense that your phisiology is working against you, but to give someone a slap on the back and to tell them that it's all a matter of perception doesn't help. It gets people killed, by their own hand. You condescending fuck.


Indeed it sums it up. You don't seem to understand the daily challenges one afflicted with such a disease must face. Your parents lied to you, we can't all do whatever we want if only we set our minds to it and try our gosh darned best. Refer to the corpse test above.

You fell into the diversity trap hook, line and sinker. Yes, society is to blame for negative social constructs such as racism, and to a certain extent the way disabled people are treated. It's not imperialitic neuronormativity to try to bring an autistic person back into reality, it's being compassionate enough to deploy every effort possible to allow them to live life with dignity, autonomy and accomplishment.

Take some time out of your oh so busy day playing your guitar and go do some volunteer work with handicaped people, you'll see it's not the fuzzy hearth-warming picture whatever source you have wants you to believe.

Until then, stop spewing bullshit.

As I already said, in practice, no.  Is it possible?  Anything is possible.  Though I don't think there is anything to 'cure.'  Tell me, what is the standard perception a human should have on life?

Mental 'disorders' like bipolar, anxiety, stress, depression, yes.  Those are manifested inside your head, that's it.  You can feel however you want, all of your problems reside within you only.

I think this sums up the difference of our opinion.  I see autism as a different perspective, nothing good or bad about it.  You view autism as a detrimental disorder.

LIFE damns victims to solitude and daily changes.  By viewing them as different or even problematic, you are simply reinforcing the disorder entirely.  Maybe if society wasn't ass backwards, people with autism wouldn't feel as if they have a problem.  Maybe, even some would take it as a gift.

My guess is that he's waiting for karma to take the foot out of his mouth.

You realize what you wrote in days past still exists? Hell, I might give you that what you wrote 6 months ago is less representative of your person now, since we do change, but we're talking earlier this freakin' week.

As for autism being a problem, hell yes it's a problem, both for those suffering through it and those suffering with those afflicted. It's not just another state of mind or a fancy way to see the world, it's a crippling disease that damns it's victim to a life of solitude and daily challenges.

So, will you ever answer, can one pray or karma autism/Down's/whatever away? You keep evading this simple question, I might back the fuck off if you finally addressed this.

Why don't you invest some of your funds in some webspace and a nice blog you could even design yourself. That way it'd be much easier for people to follow you around, subscribe, post comments, you'd have more reach than by simply focussing on this forum and so on...

That's not what I said at all.  I said what I said, stop changing my words around.  Do you realize you're the only one calling autism a problem?

EDIT: What Dank is actually saying is that such things like neurodiversity movements or autistic culture movements, which he probably heard in passing, mean that a) 100% of autistic people wish to remain as they are, and b) the problem isn't with them but with the world refusing to comply to everyone's particular needs.

Autism, and most cognitive divergences, also ranges through a very wide array of severities, and to say that someone who isn't autonomous in the least simply has a different perception of the world is naive at best.

What people are saying here Dank is that we take offence to your "wishful thinking wrapped into new age bullshit peppered with closed-mindedness" view of the world, but hey, problem must be on our end as usual. You obviously are qualified by your omniscience to pass summary judgement on these issues.

EDIT2: Also what he is saying is that genetic predisposition or other such factors don't come into play when a child is born with health issues, but that the environment to which he is born is the main factor.

Not entirely discounting external factors, especially in cases where the mother (and to some extent, father, especially with radiation and other mutating pathogens) is exposed to something adverse to a healthy pregnancy, blaming the health issues of a newborn on hocus pocus bullshit such as karma deserves to be ridiculed by anyone with even a summary understanding of biology.

Does he collect relics?

-MarkM-

hey dank, I think I've found a benefactor for you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208967/Cecil-Chao-Sze-tsung-Billionaire-offers-40million-reward-man-marry-lesbian-daughter.html

You misinterpreted my words.  I'm not saying love and positivity would cure those in the present but they would prevent it in the future, 'curing' our species.  And I don't even think autism is a great example regarding something to cure, it's just a different perception of the world, people perceive the world all sorts of way, there's no one way it must be viewed.

http://www.ncruralcenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=535:new-gen-ventures&catid=51:leadership-a-engagement&Itemid=257


This is the type of thing dank could look at, but I suspect he wouldn't like the conditions attached to the programme.  He doesn't believe that people lending him money have the right to judge him as a person or his business proposal, let alone that they have the right to insist on third party oversight of his operation.

dank is pretty much looking for people who'll just throw money at him and say "do whatever you want with it whenever you get around to it and don't worry about repayments in the meantime".

My nephew is severely autistic, it's good to know he can be cured by nice thoughts and that his suffering is just due to bad karma (as opposed to, you know, genetics). Better call off all the autism research because we've found the cause and cure.

Asshole.

Thanks.  And the new guitar clips rock!  Post more!

Look to see if you state has microfunding or state loans for small businesses, NC has one like this http://www.ncruralcenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=82&Itemid=247

They will prob tell you to go to a bank and request a loan, after you are turned down if you are. They will tell you to come back and get a SBA backed loan. All this is a statement from the SBA saying they will pay. I talked to my friend you just went through the SBA to start a barber shop, Laugh but 60,000 Marines and saliors need a hair cut 1 time a week at 7 dollars a pop. He said you still need a decent credit score in order to get approved with SBA approval.

Thank you.  For anyone that might be interested, I posted more guitar clips in my Dank Bank thread.

I'll be sure to do that for you, Rarity.

I wish you all the best, good Sir!

Since you're probably busy now achieving your goals in the real world, please come back in 10 years. I'm sure you'll be interesting by then, because you either...

a) did that smurf you keep smurfing about or
b) will have a lot of painful anecdotes to tell to which I'll oh so relate.

Cheers friend,
~drekk~

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