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Quote from: aioc on October 03, 2022, 09:14:31 AM

but based on what I've read, it's not really impossible to have that huge numbers but what is rarer and mind-boggling are all the number combinations when you add it up ended n number 9

It's not really impossible to have such number of winners since most people participate to this kind of lottery have their own number patterns, analysis and etc. The winning result is just pure coincidence that is divisible by 9.

The senate hearing like i said will be a waste of time, PCSO will just show them the copy of all winning tickets, or those 433 will testified, and last sort is showing the machine or software used for generating random number result.

If there is cheating happened the questions are, why just now?
If not, so all the jackpot winners in the past were all fixed? If those were all fixed we should see a pattern of winners, like most of them have family related to PCSO, government, etc. but its not. I'll say it again, this is just pure coincidence.

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Quote from: crzy on October 03, 2022, 08:45:56 AM

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible. Cheesy

Investigating things like this is non sense. 1-3 winners or 433 will not have any difference all the money goes to the winners even if this is manipulated or not. There are more things to do in the government than waste the time investigating a corrupt system.

Its odd but if the lottery system manipulates it to have more winners regularly, what else can be done? People will be happy and don't they want people to be happy? $9,272.878 each is not so bad.

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There can be both manipulation and an honest draw, and nothing will change from what the PCSO says, if there are no internal leaks from the organizer or an independent investigation, but just the number of winners can also indicate an honest lottery.

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Quote from: crzy on October 03, 2022, 08:45:56 AM

Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible. Cheesy

This is the first time here in the Philippines, we are used to seeing 3 to 5 winners in a jackpot but never that big number my social feeds are full of this news and so are the news daily, this is very controversial but based on what I've read, it's not really impossible to have that huge numbers but what is rarer and mind-boggling are all the number combinations when you add it up ended n number 9, the lottery denied any anomaly but we'll see that since the senate will launch an investigation, but I think it will be futile and just a waste of time as the draw was held live and why would they picked that big numbers of winners it will just put their credibility on the line.

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Is this the most winning lottery of all time? I can't find any in google so maybe this is a record breaking.
There's a lot of issues with our lottery system and even the legislator are doubting about the result of this lottery, now they want to investigate this. Though the PCSO are very confident that the data is correct and the winners can start claiming their reward. This might look impossible, but with our current corrupt system everything is possible. Cheesy

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 02, 2022, 07:58:25 PM

Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

I've seen the video because it is held live for the audiences to see, I didn't see any irregularities just like all the other draws for the past many years, the combination is weird 09-45-36-27-18-54, and the winning combinations when you add up ended in digit 9, this is something out of this world 433 winners and all the number ended in number 9, I think the commission that will investigate should get a good mathematician to check the probabilities and interview some of the winners if they picked the lucky pick or they are taking care of their numbers by betting on it many times.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 02, 2022, 07:03:52 PM

There was never controversy in the Philippine lottery until this happen, this is something the management has no control over, I still believe in the results, as manipulating the result will make the government lose by billions of pesos but I welcome the investigation so things can be clarified and all doubts and suspicious will vanish or if there are irregularities, heads should roll, this lottery is supported by the majority of the people so it should be above suspicion.

Actually, the controversy has always been there but only a few believe in it and sometimes I believe in it as well especially when there are suspicious draws happening like this one. I think this kind of controversy on lotto also exists in another country as well which involves people laundering money. There would be effect to PCSO if these will proven fake or there was a really a manipulation happened however I doubt that it will affect them as much since there will always be people who will try their luck on the lottery.

Quote from: Yogee on October 02, 2022, 07:04:46 PM

What's with the eye roll? Looks like you are leaning towards manipulation with that kind of reaction.

The thing is that it's hard to prove something went wrong by just crunching the numbers that are available. I mean being divisible by 9 is not enough evidence. I bet out of millions buying tickets that there are also hundreds using numbers divisible by five or four.

For me who lives in the same country where this happened, I think the eye roll which signifies manipulation of the lottery draw is appropriate. Other than the lottery numbers drawn which are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is also suspicious as that amount is nearly impossible to happen. You can try to check all supporting computations on how much this is impossible to happen from all the probabilities and statics majors. Also, Even the government is eyeing to check on the legitimacy of the result.

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Impossible but it already happened, if under 10 people the winner may not be in doubt, because usually not more than that. Logically, 400 people have the same prediction, it is very unreasonable if for lotto gambling, I personally have negative thoughts about it, could be there indications of cheating from some of any employees at there or anything else.

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Quote from: chaser15 on October 02, 2022, 07:58:25 PM

Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

very rare.
its a small amount to be laundered this way. but a discussion like this blurted out in a party i've been where in our country that lottery is one way of doing it. but if this is true. its good to see many winners, people are struggling due to unemployment.

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Really a suspicious one. I think this is the first time in the whole world lottery news that the number of jackpot winners went up to 433 winners.

That seems impossible to believe as it's really a rare case that those 433 people will pick that crazy combination of jackpot numbers.

Let's see what PCSO will say about this.

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 02, 2022, 07:45:23 PM

Quote from: livingfree on October 02, 2022, 06:20:37 AM

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised.

The manipulation is not through the winning ball combinations but they can add fake winners for the prize to be split in more.

I know it's possible that a winning combination that is divisible by 9 can really happen even at 0.000000001% but there's no way to determine how many real winners really got those number combinations.

433 jackpot winners at the same time are insane. It needs an investigation.

I also thought that winning lottery jackpot is one in a million. But here, they are hundreds.
We don't know the absolute truth here, if there are other fake winners or not.
But I am sure, not all of them can claim their winnings, as some may have lost their ticket or forgot their ticket.
But this is the first time that I have heard lotto jackpot winners with such big number.
People are getting good in predicting the winning combinations???

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Quote from: livingfree on October 02, 2022, 06:20:37 AM

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised.

The manipulation is not through the winning ball combinations but they can add fake winners for the prize to be split in more.

I know it's possible that a winning combination that is divisible by 9 can really happen even at 0.000000001% but there's no way to determine how many real winners really got those number combinations.

433 jackpot winners at the same time are insane. It needs an investigation.

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You will be awe and also a funny thing how such so many number wins. Manipulation is quite possible but is hard to prove on how it works and it manipulated. Well, its all about being lucky and randomness of what numbers come out. I don't think senate probe will do something or debunk something. It will just a long process and a waste of money/budget there.

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I guess use government sanctioned anything and you get rekt.

Use Provably Fair software whenever possible.

That's the only lesson you can really take away from this. Should already be known by anyone with a brain anyway.

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Quote from: Road21Bitcoin on October 02, 2022, 05:54:32 AM

Did PCSO (Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office) manipulate the result or the winners defied the odds? Roll Eyes

What's with the eye roll? Looks like you are leaning towards manipulation with that kind of reaction.

The thing is that it's hard to prove something went wrong by just crunching the numbers that are available. I mean being divisible by 9 is not enough evidence. I bet out of millions buying tickets that there are also hundreds using numbers divisible by five or four.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on October 02, 2022, 11:18:04 AM

Quote from: Botnake on October 02, 2022, 07:42:58 AM

This is the first time, probably this will be put in the guinness world record.

I believe there are irregularities here, it could be manipulated, and it's nice to know that some senators from the Philippines wants a probe on this one.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1673977/minority-senators-seek-probe-on-extraordinary-grand-lotto-draw

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MANILA, Philippines — Minority senators are seeking an investigation into the “extraordinary” Grand Lotto draw where 433 bettors all got the winning combination for the ₱236 million jackpot.

Senate Minority Leader Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III and Senator Risa Hontiveros on Sunday said a Senate resolution is needed to allay suspicion of irregularity in the results of the lottery that is managed by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO).

There are a lot of coincidence that happened on this lotto results especially with how statically impossible for it to occur. Along with how the lotto numbers are divisible by 9, the amount of winners is almost impossible which is why various probability and statistics major are coming in to provide how unlikely for it to happen.

It's great to know that the senators are also suspicious of how this happened and hopefully we will be given definitive proof that there's no abnormalities and manipulation happened. I am looking forward for especially that Senator Risa Hontiveros are unto it.

We already have a similar topic to this thread

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Is this statistically possible in a lottery?

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there was never controversy in the Philippine lottery until this happen, this is something the management has no control over, I still believe in the results, as manipulating the result will make the government lose by billions of pesos but I welcome the investigation so things can be clarified and all doubts and suspicious will vanish or if there are irregularities, heads should roll, this lottery is supported by the majority of the people so it should be above suspicion.

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Quote from: livingfree on October 02, 2022, 06:20:37 AM

Wow, that's a lot of winners.

And the first thing that when a jackpot like this in a grand lotto is won by hundreds of people, 433 to be specific, it's all about being coordinated bets at different locations.

Like there's someone who has leaked the winning combination but I don't think that's possible if the draw itself is televised and supervised. Since it's a hot issue, sure that there will be investigators about it but if it's a real thing. Then, congrats to the winners. Cool

Everyone was surprised about the number of winners we have at the previous lottery draw as usually, there's only 1 or 2 winners who will win the jackpot. But this time its very unusual. But i also don't think the game is rigged or someone has leaked the winning combination as the draw game is in live. Let's just say these people are just lucky enough, and we should also be happy for them so they can enjoy their winning amount.

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How many people are usually able to guess this winning sestine?

Anyway... I think it went well for them ... it is still a quite considerable sum even if it is not a life-changing sum ...

This event it reminds me of a similar fact that happened in Italy some years ago.
Many players have guessed the "13" at the "Totocalcio" (the best you can get).
But the results were so simple to guess that the final prize pool was divided into so many winners who ... practically won 30 euro each!

Imagine that a retired friend of mine had guessed that coupon.
The same evening he had a great dinner with his grandchildren spending 10 times, convinced of who knows what huge prize money he would receive Roll Eyes

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Yeah, read that news locally as well, and you really have to think if there is irregularities or simply coincidence that this happen and the odds of it happening.

I guess they have decided that they should have a winner already. But it should be split up to many winners and then draw that number, Grin

. But if I don't like the idea that it should be look at by the PH Senate, such a waste of time and budget for them. This is not a priority.

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Damn this is so funny!

It turns out that we are seeing in real life the dumbest thing that can be imagined in relation to lotteries.

1. People choose "pretty" numbers.
2. This increases the number of winners -> reduces the winnings of each of them.
3. Such a result undermines the credibility of the lottery and gives rise to suspicions of its honesty.

As a result, absolutely everyone ends up in a (relative) loss. LOL!

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