I think I understand where 4Grinz misunderstanding is coming from. It looks like they only use the large providers ie. Endorphina, BetSoft, Play'n'Go etc. The reason that they are saying that their slots are not provably fair is because the big providers do not offer this option at all because they don't need to AND it would be really hard to. They are independently tested as they said etc.This was also confusing to me because I have played on Betchain in the past and saw some of the same games.I reached out to them because the "cool" "fun" games that fox mentioned did not have the option to test and it looks like they are playing dumb because they are projecting themselves as provably fair casino when in reality I think that most of their revenue will slowly change to the "cool""fun" games. Here is my ticket:
http://imgur.com/gallery/eIOKPyw/new
So in the end I feel like this goes back to Fox's comment. Most major online casinos have been trusting these providers for years. I do not think that any of the casino's offering these games would even be able to modify the spin as the feed comes straight from the provider. If you think you have the math skills I would love for someone to break down the variable options on a game like "who spun it"https://www.betchain.com/games/betsoftgaming/375 Either way this really has nothing to do with the 4Grinz main info feed. I am suggesting a new thread on this where everyone can weigh in.
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Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often 
actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like?
You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.
You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.
My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.
Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair.
Try to follow:
OP was asked why his slots aren't provably fair.
He replied that it isn't possible to make provably fair slots games.
I countered by showing him 5 examples of provably fair slots games.
So now what is the reason?
Your argument that provably fair slots games are boring is moot, because provable fairness is independent of other features. So provable fairness could be added to a funny, famous slots game. So long as it actually was a fair game, and not cheating.
Btw, Are you really sure those provably fair slots have 1%-2% house edge? In real play, it is very very easy to bust the bankroll if play those slots.
Which of them have you played? As I say, it is possible to calculate the house edge.
On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency since every big fiat casinos have those games, free spin, bonus round and huge jackpot are much better than provably fair slots.
Transparency isn't the same thing as popularity. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there. You seem to have a bunch of unexpressed incorrect assumptions. Maybe all provably fair games are boring so far, but if so that's because nobody with the required skill to make an engaging game has made their game provably fair. That's not the fault of the technology.
Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair
Irony , people dont care about things being fair or not however this is irrelevant because this site isnt solely a fiat casino
On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency
Transparency of what? There isnt any transparency apart from a shiny badges to flash that the game is provided by the XYZ game provider. Having a freespin, bonus rounds and big jackpot isnt a transparency either because in the end it will depends on the bankroll of the site. This isnt a true fairness at all btw
are much better than provably fair slots.
The disability of proving if your game is fair or not isnt the true fairness. True fairness is when you can verify the bet of your own not because of being told that this game is fair because there are alot of people that has played it or alot of sites that use it.
Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often
actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like?
You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.
You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.
My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.
Aha, I know your point, but my point is that people prefer playing funny, famous slots, although they are not provably fair cause in fiat world, casinos and players don't care about provably fair.
Btw, Are you really sure those provably fair slots have 1%-2% house edge? In real play, it is very very easy to bust the bankroll if play those slots.
On the contrary, the slots of big providers have prove their transparency since every big fiat casinos have those games, free spin, bonus round and huge jackpot are much better than provably fair slots.
Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often
actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like?
You can calculate the house edge of a provably fair slot. They're usually between 1% and 2%.
You can't calculate the house edge of a non-provably fair slot. You have to take the provider's word for it.
My point wasn't that these games are prettier, faster, more fun. My point was that at least 5 provably fair slots *exist* despite OP's claims.
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Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often
provably fair means, that you can check/prove if the casino is cheating you.
Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often
actually not, i have played those provably fair slots, and I busted very soon, I think those shit slots have 10%-20% house edge, those non-provably fair slots of famous providers have 2%-7% house edge, much lower than those provably fair slots, provably fair slots just can show you the fairness, don't give your profits, which ones do you like?
Not all sure about proof of fair, will this make it if I can win more often
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
1. https://houseofchance.net/
2. https://www.satoshislot.com/
3. https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/slots
few provably fair boring slots or BIG FUNNY SLOTS FROM BIG PROVIDERS LIKE BETSOFT,NETENT? The BIG ONE
Lmao, I support you, those provably fair slots are boring and shitty, we lost money on them, when I play in those slots of BIG PROVIDERS LIKE BETSOFT,NETENT, although they are not provably fair, they are still funny and profitable, so we can see which ones are better?
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
1. https://houseofchance.net/
2. https://www.satoshislot.com/
3. https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/slots
4. https://bitzino.com/slots
5. http://fastbets.io/fair-fruit
few provably fair boring slots or BIG FUNNY SLOTS FROM BIG PROVIDERS LIKE BETSOFT,NETENT? The BIG ONE
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
I already sent them an example (bitbandit.eu) one or two days ago, but it appears they're just going to ignore everything and everyone that makes sense from here on now.
time for the neg rep
If this is so then is it time to neg rep everyone here that dont have provably fair? bitcasino.io dont have it either as long as the other site. Also I read some issue here about cold storage, there are many others that claim to give alot of jackpot, then is it time to neg rep them as well? Perhaps dooglus need to do some proof of dooglus provably fair certificate
if you wouldn't just spam crap for your signature campaign, you would have realized that the difference in this case is, that they're claiming to be provably fair, while they're not.
If you would take 1 minute to look at the bitcasino.io thread than you would have realized that they claimed to be provably fair as well but then after caught lying they said it is a mistake, wash their hands and move on. If this one is going to get neg rep then bitcasino.io should too for not being honest
joksim299, fortunately this page was visited just about 40 times for 2015 year, so compering with total amount of 2.5m visits of bitcasino.io during this year, that had no influence on our players. But thanks for the feedback, our seo managers received a good message.
As you said yourself, that page was for SEO purposes, not for players to read.
What that means is that the page's purpose was so that when people did a Google search for "provably fair casino" they would end up at your casino even though it is not provably fair.
Doesn't that seem like a deceptive practice? You have been caught lying about the provable fairness of your games and when challenged about it your defence boils down to "oh, we weren't lying directly to players, we were lying to the search engines so they could lie to players for us; that's better, right guys?"
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
I already sent them an example (bitbandit.eu) one or two days ago, but it appears they're just going to ignore everything and everyone that makes sense from here on now.
time for the neg rep
If this is so then is it time to neg rep everyone here that dont have provably fair? bitcasino.io dont have it either as long as the other site. Also I read some issue here about cold storage, there are many others that claim to give alot of jackpot, then is it time to neg rep them as well? Perhaps dooglus need to do some proof of dooglus provably fair certificate
if you wouldn't just spam crap for your signature campaign, you would have realized that the difference in this case is, that they're claiming to be provably fair, while they're not.
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
I already sent them an example (bitbandit.eu) one or two days ago, but it appears they're just going to ignore everything and everyone that makes sense from here on now.
time for the neg rep
If this is so then is it time to neg rep everyone here that dont have provably fair? bitcasino.io dont have it either as long as the other site. Also I read some issue here about cold storage, there are many others that claim to give alot of jackpot, then is it time to neg rep them as well? Perhaps dooglus need to do some proof of dooglus provably fair certificate
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
I already sent them an example (bitbandit.eu) one or two days ago, but it appears they're just going to ignore everything and everyone that makes sense from here on now.
time for the neg rep
Provably Fair is not a system that can be applied in a slot scenario. Anyone that makes such a claim is not only misguided, but misinformed.
Here are five different sites, not only making such a claim, but actually running provably fair slot games. So who is misguided and misinformed here?
1. https://houseofchance.net/
2. https://www.satoshislot.com/
3. https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/slots
4. https://bitzino.com/slots
5. http://fastbets.io/fair-fruit
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