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March 27, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
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It doesn't matter if it is "reasonable" or not it can't be changed.  It is what it is.  Today the amount of economic activity on the network likely doesn't warrant that level of security (like buying a $5K safe to protect $1K in gold) but the move to ASICS is essential.

The high reward paid to miners indirectly funds the R&D necessary to make the move the transition to ASICs.  Hopefully mining will be a large enough "pie" that we will see 4 to 6 well capitalized ASIC suppliers.  2013 is going to be an interesting year.  If the network has moved to ASICs by the end of the year it permanently removes that "cheat card" vulnerability.  Sure an attacker can still use ASICs to attack Bitcoin (but they always could) however they wouldn't be able to gain a massive economic advantage (i.e. $2M in ASICS 51% attacking $20M in GPUs).

I like your point about the mining reward funding ASIC development.

The thing about ASICs is they have a higher efficiency than GPUs. So they will be able to continue mining even when the GPUs are no longer profitable to run. This means that the overall power use of the network could go down while the security of the network continues to rise. Good for bitcoin, good for the environment.

One way to look at it: the price goes up as more people save money using bitcoins. As they save more money, the cost to keep that money safe goes up.
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March 27, 2013, 10:22:14 AM
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"Bad guys" will always have access to ASICs, one can't simply pretend away that threat.  Today if someone wanted to attack Bitcoin they wouldn't build a GPU farm they would fab some chips and build a smaller easier to manage ASIC farm.  It wouldn't matter if BFL and Avalon didn't exist an attacker would STILL go that route because it is the most economical.

Yep, but even "Bad Guys" have enemies/competitors that will counter-attack by supporting the network.
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Gerald Davis
March 27, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
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It doesn't matter if it is "reasonable" or not it can't be changed.  It is what it is.  Today the amount of economic activity on the network likely doesn't warrant that level of security (like buying a $5K safe to protect $1K in gold) but the move to ASICS is essential.

"Bad guys" will always have access to ASICs, one can't simply pretend away that threat.  Today if someone wanted to attack Bitcoin they wouldn't build a GPU farm they would fab some chips and build a smaller easier to manage ASIC farm.  It wouldn't matter if BFL and Avalon didn't exist an attacker would STILL go that route because it is the most economical.

The high reward paid to miners indirectly funds the R&D necessary to make the move the transition to ASICs.  Hopefully mining will be a large enough "pie" that we will see 4 to 6 well capitalized ASIC suppliers.  2013 is going to be an interesting year.  If the network has moved to ASICs by the end of the year it permanently removes that "cheat card" vulnerability.  Sure an attacker can still use ASICs to attack Bitcoin (but they always could) however they wouldn't be able to gain a massive economic advantage (i.e. $2M in ASICS 51% attacking $20M in GPUs).
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March 27, 2013, 10:13:17 AM
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The miners are currently being paid an equivalent of about $324000 per day through the block reward. (about 90 USD per BTC, 25 BTC per block, 144 blocks per day)

Do you think this amount is a reasonable amount to keep the network going?

Nope. SELL SELL SELL!
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March 27, 2013, 10:11:43 AM
#1
The miners are currently being paid an equivalent of about $324000 per day through the block reward. (about 90 USD per BTC, 25 BTC per block, 144 blocks per day)

Do you think this amount is a reasonable amount to keep the network going?

Edit: Changed title due to increased price.
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