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April 11, 2013, 11:07:32 PM
#63
The greed of people make them think it's a pyramid scheme. Who tell you guys you will get "more money" with bitcoins?

The objetive of BTC was to create them and buy things (an economy separated of the actual), not to be created and changed to dolars...
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Preaching the gospel of Satoshi
April 11, 2013, 11:05:52 PM
#62
Think about that a minute and you will realize that you just shot yourself on your foot.
That very statement of yours shows how riskier was to be involved in bitcoins in its genesis and how pointless is this discussion when you lack of the most basic understandings of how the world works.
You are just wasting useless rhetoric to dissimulate your ignorance.

In short, bitcoin is not a ponzi (wtf, I am tired of hearing this crap), and it is not a pyramid.
Both terms have very specific meanings of very specific modus operandi of scams, they are not synonyms and they can't be used as blanket terms to mention anything that seems to be scam-like. IF bitcoins were ever designed to be a scam, it would still wouldn't fit either modalities.
Please, either speak with propriety or shut up.

Arguing over semantics or definitions of words and phrases is all very well.

What ever the case is, one thing is clear.

An entity, whoever it/they may be, has the Bitcoin market cornered and tied up like it was their bitch, and this entity has the power to both push the market extremely high and to crash it. Anyone who fails to acknowledge at least this, is a grade A fkn clown.

All this DoD attack blah blah etc etc shit is fkn bollocks and is not what is responsible for what has gone down today.

Semantics is everything.
If I say "MtGox is the shit!", is completely different from "MtGox is shit!"


In which case the difference would be syntactical

good nitpicking lol go back to school.
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April 11, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
#61
Think about that a minute and you will realize that you just shot yourself on your foot.
That very statement of yours shows how riskier was to be involved in bitcoins in its genesis and how pointless is this discussion when you lack of the most basic understandings of how the world works.
You are just wasting useless rhetoric to dissimulate your ignorance.

In short, bitcoin is not a ponzi (wtf, I am tired of hearing this crap), and it is not a pyramid.
Both terms have very specific meanings of very specific modus operandi of scams, they are not synonyms and they can't be used as blanket terms to mention anything that seems to be scam-like. IF bitcoins were ever designed to be a scam, it would still wouldn't fit either modalities.
Please, either speak with propriety or shut up.

Arguing over semantics or definitions of words and phrases is all very well.

What ever the case is, one thing is clear.

An entity, whoever it/they may be, has the Bitcoin market cornered and tied up like it was their bitch, and this entity has the power to both push the market extremely high and to crash it. Anyone who fails to acknowledge at least this, is a grade A fkn clown.

All this DoD attack blah blah etc etc shit is fkn bollocks and is not what is responsible for what has gone down today.

Semantics is everything.
If I say "MtGox is the shit!", is completely different from "MtGox is shit!"


In which case the difference would be syntactical
donator
Activity: 714
Merit: 510
Preaching the gospel of Satoshi
April 11, 2013, 10:52:41 PM
#60
Think about that a minute and you will realize that you just shot yourself on your foot.
That very statement of yours shows how riskier was to be involved in bitcoins in its genesis and how pointless is this discussion when you lack of the most basic understandings of how the world works.
You are just wasting useless rhetoric to dissimulate your ignorance.

In short, bitcoin is not a ponzi (wtf, I am tired of hearing this crap), and it is not a pyramid.
Both terms have very specific meanings of very specific modus operandi of scams, they are not synonyms and they can't be used as blanket terms to mention anything that seems to be scam-like. IF bitcoins were ever designed to be a scam, it would still wouldn't fit either modalities.
Please, either speak with propriety or shut up.

Arguing over semantics or definitions of words and phrases is all very well.

What ever the case is, one thing is clear.

An entity, whoever it/they may be, has the Bitcoin market cornered and tied up like it was their bitch, and this entity has the power to both push the market extremely high and to crash it. Anyone who fails to acknowledge at least this, is a grade A fkn clown.

All this DoD attack blah blah etc etc shit is fkn bollocks and is not what is responsible for what has gone down today.

Semantics is everything.
If I say "MtGox is the shit!", is completely different from "MtGox is shit!"
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Merit: 1000
April 11, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
#59
Think about that a minute and you will realize that you just shot yourself on your foot.
That very statement of yours shows how riskier was to be involved in bitcoins in its genesis and how pointless is this discussion when you lack of the most basic understandings of how the world works.
You are just wasting useless rhetoric to dissimulate your ignorance.

In short, bitcoin is not a ponzi (wtf, I am tired of hearing this crap), and it is not a pyramid.
Both terms have very specific meanings of very specific modus operandi of scams, they are not synonyms and they can't be used as blanket terms to mention anything that seems to be scam-like. IF bitcoins were ever designed to be a scam, it would still wouldn't fit either modalities.
Please, either speak with propriety or shut up.

Arguing over semantics or definitions of words and phrases is all very well.

What ever the case is, one thing is clear.

An entity, whoever it/they may be, has the Bitcoin market cornered and tied up like it was their bitch, and this entity has the power to both push the market extremely high and to crash it. Anyone who fails to acknowledge at least this, is a grade A fkn clown.

All this DoD attack blah blah etc etc shit is fkn bollocks and is not what is responsible for what has gone down today.
donator
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Preaching the gospel of Satoshi
April 11, 2013, 10:30:04 PM
#58
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.

Under that definition, any company is a pyramid scheme in its beginning. (which is obviously false)
You clearly don't understand what a pyramid scheme is.
So the masseuse in Google was part of the pyramid scheme because she got paid with shares in the beginning of the company? Employees getting paid in Google with shares were risking their neck because there weren't having a salary, and there wasn't anything reassuring that it would be such a commercial success. They didn't even had a business plan.
Today everyone who lent their time to Google, they are billonaires. Even the masseuse.

The same with bitcoins, in the beginning nobody gave a damn about this project and it was just experimental.
Nobody would have expected to grow so fast and to have such a relevance.
So those who put their necks and time in this project ended up being rewarded for trusting in it from the very beginning.

So please, study better your terminologies and get more life experience.



There is a difference. Nobody involved with Bitcoin was ever told they were really working for Bitcoin Inc.

Think about that a minute and you will realize that you just shot yourself on your foot.
That very statement of yours shows how riskier was to be involved in bitcoins in its genesis and how pointless is this discussion when you lack of the most basic understandings of how the world works.
You are just wasting useless rhetoric to dissimulate your ignorance.

In short, bitcoin is not a ponzi (wtf, I am tired of hearing this crap), and it is not a pyramid.
Both terms have very specific meanings of very specific modus operandi of scams, they are not synonyms and they can't be used as blanket terms to mention anything that seems to be scam-like. IF bitcoins were ever designed to be a scam, it would still wouldn't fit either modalities.
Please, either speak with propriety or shut up.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
April 11, 2013, 10:20:23 PM
#57
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.

Under that definition, any company is a pyramid scheme in its beginning. (which is obviously false)
You clearly don't understand what a pyramid scheme is.
So the masseuse in Google was part of the pyramid scheme because she got paid with shares in the beginning of the company? Employees getting paid in Google with shares were risking their neck because there weren't having a salary, and there wasn't anything reassuring that it would be such a commercial success. They didn't even had a business plan.
Today everyone who lent their time to Google, they are billonaires. Even the masseuse.

The same with bitcoins, in the beginning nobody gave a damn about this project and it was just experimental.
Nobody would have expected to grow so fast and to have such a relevance.
So those who put their necks and time in this project ended up being rewarded for trusting in it from the very beginning.

So please, study better your terminologies and get more life experience.



There is a difference. Nobody involved with Bitcoin was ever told they were really working for Bitcoin Inc.


This whole discussion of pyramid vs not is useless.  Obviously not.  More explicitly, is the USD a pyramid scheme?  one that you've worked all your life to achieve?


State fiat is just a straight up fraud, you know that, no point bringing that up in this discussion.
legendary
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April 11, 2013, 10:20:12 PM
#56
This whole discussion of pyramid vs not is useless.  Obviously not.  More explicitly, is the USD a pyramid scheme?  one that you've worked all your life to achieve?

By the "definitions" used by people who make these claims, anything that appreciates in value is a pyramid/Ponzi/whatever derogatory word they want to use.  Please, people.  Words have meanings. 
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April 11, 2013, 10:18:11 PM
#55
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.

Under that definition, any company is a pyramid scheme in its beginning. (which is obviously false)
You clearly don't understand what a pyramid scheme is.
So the masseuse in Google was part of the pyramid scheme because she got paid with shares in the beginning of the company? Employees getting paid in Google with shares were risking their neck because there weren't having a salary, and there wasn't anything reassuring that it would be such a commercial success. They didn't even had a business plan.
Today everyone who lent their time to Google, they are billonaires. Even the masseuse.

The same with bitcoins, in the beginning nobody gave a damn about this project and it was just experimental.
Nobody would have expected to grow so fast and to have such a relevance.
So those who put their necks and time in this project ended up being rewarded for trusting in it from the very beginning.

So please, study better your terminologies and get more life experience.



There is a difference. Nobody involved with Bitcoin was ever told they were really working for Bitcoin Inc.


This whole discussion of pyramid vs not is useless.  Obviously not.  More explicitly, is the USD a pyramid scheme?  one that you've worked all your life to achieve?
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April 11, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
#54
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.

Under that definition, any company is a pyramid scheme in its beginning. (which is obviously false)
You clearly don't understand what a pyramid scheme is.
So the masseuse in Google was part of the pyramid scheme because she got paid with shares in the beginning of the company? Employees getting paid in Google with shares were risking their neck because there weren't having a salary, and there wasn't anything reassuring that it would be such a commercial success. They didn't even had a business plan.
Today everyone who lent their time to Google, they are billonaires. Even the masseuse.

The same with bitcoins, in the beginning nobody gave a damn about this project and it was just experimental.
Nobody would have expected to grow so fast and to have such a relevance.
So those who put their necks and time in this project ended up being rewarded for trusting in it from the very beginning.

So please, study better your terminologies and get more life experience.



There is a difference. Nobody involved with Bitcoin was ever told they were really working for Bitcoin Inc.
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Preaching the gospel of Satoshi
April 11, 2013, 09:57:02 PM
#53
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.

Under that definition, any company is a pyramid scheme in its beginning. (which is obviously false)
You clearly don't understand what a pyramid scheme is.
So the masseuse in Google was part of the pyramid scheme because she got paid with shares in the beginning of the company? Employees getting paid in Google with shares were risking their neck because there weren't having a salary, and there wasn't anything reassuring that it would be such a commercial success. They didn't even had a business plan.
Today everyone who lent their time to Google, they are billonaires. Even the masseuse.

The same with bitcoins, in the beginning nobody gave a damn about this project and it was just experimental.
Nobody would have expected to grow so fast and to have such a relevance.
So those who put their necks and time in this project ended up being rewarded for trusting in it from the very beginning.

So please, study better your terminologies and get more life experience.
sr. member
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April 11, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
#52
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.

No, it's exactly like a pyramid scheme. The founders availed themselves for very little effort millions of bitcoins, these same coins are now only available if purchased or mined at a slow rate with expensive dedicated hardware, and as the difficult ramps up even the means to mine with dedicated harware will be beyond anyone without the means to drop 100k on dedicated hardware.
legendary
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April 11, 2013, 09:04:56 PM
#51
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.

Not really, although whereas unlike a Ponzi, which Bitcoin is nothing like, it is merely almost, but not entirely unlike a pyramid scheme.  And again, BTC can be used in a pyramid scheme, like bitcoinpyramid, but that is entirely different from being a pyramid scheme.
sr. member
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April 11, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
#50
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).

No, Bitcoin can reasonably be classified as a pyramid scheme though.
legendary
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April 11, 2013, 09:00:48 PM
#49
It appears to be a common habit for morons and noobs to declare anything a Ponzi they don't understand or somehow lost money on (usually through their own stupidity).

It is annoying because it acts as if words don't have meanings.  A Ponzi is a very specific kind of investment scam or (more recently) a kind of gambling game open about its intentions.  BTC is simply not a Ponzi by any rational definition of the term (although arguably BTC is somewhat prone to being used in Ponzis but pretty much any currency or commodity could in theory be used in a Ponzi).
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April 11, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
#48
Someone is dumping hard to drive price down in order to buy a lot at low price

The electricity cost for GPU miner is the fundamental factor for bitcoin price, currently 1G hash gives 0.06 bitcoin per day, using $3 electricity, that is about 50 USD for 1 bitcoin

A non fungible commodity like gold or oil cannot drop below their price of production. I am uncertain as to why you apply this same logic to bitcoins, which are simply one of many fiat based mediums of exchange. The fact that you decide to waste CPU cycles to mine bitcoins does not somehow confer any underlying economic validity on that activity; when bitcoin crashes you can't exchange those wasted cpu cycles for something useful. When the tulip market crashed tulips fell well below their cost of production because one the speculative bubble burst their commodity value was deemed to be effectively zero.


I enjoy your comment but I disagree with the extrapolation to tulips - which are not a currency and therefore expendable. 

I suspect that the cost to mine does matter with regard to the value of bitcoin because the whole deal would come crashing down if no one was mining. 

Miners have the choice to switch to anything else, such as LTC or even something not yet invented.


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April 11, 2013, 08:08:03 PM
#47
Bitcoin is a giant ponzi scheme and the only winners are the ones that get out first. After that, it crashes.

Stop calling it a ponzi jackass. Ponzi's don't recover, they go bust and that's it. Bitcoin has recovered plenty of times. Learn what a ponzi scheme is before you use the word. Nobody knows where the price of bitcoin will end up so stfu already.
legendary
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April 11, 2013, 07:01:50 PM
#46
$38 is the new $2  Wink

LOL

and 1 week's the new 12 months
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April 11, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
#45
Simple :

The price is low because USD liquidity is much lower in these other exchanges.
because MtGox was almost always at the forefront when it was time to sell at the highest price.

MtGox is was also the best place to make big purchases (1m$+).

The real believer in bitcoin don't hold more USD in an exchange than they need.
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April 11, 2013, 06:53:46 PM
#44
Bitcoin is a giant ponzi scheme and the only winners are the ones that get out first. After that, it crashes.

Oh yeah? What are big banks doing then? Go spread your filth elsewhere

Big banks are probably behind hiring hackers to DDOS Bitcoin and then pay or blackmail posters into spreading disinformation.

Seriously if the big boys are now involved expect a lot more of that. Expect industrial espionage as well as people will resort to trying to hack into exchanges for personal or professional gain.
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