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Quote from: Probably on December 11, 2013, 06:53:45 PM

Quote from: eleuthria on December 10, 2013, 10:18:26 PM

These articles miss the point. They're calling addresses people. This would be the equivalent of saying 90+% of all US dollars are owned by 100 people (probably fewer), because BANKS are the ones holding the dollars for the vast majority of all currency.

A huge number of those stockpiles are likely wallets for exchanges.

this.

please stop posting these bullshit articles that don't understand bitcoins.

addresses != people

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/927-people-own-half-of-the-bitcoins-2013-12#ixzz2nD5uj8JZ

I am afraid you are incorrect, but it is not your fault. Almost no one cares to read the original, which the BI article was based on.

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The intent of this thread is to find out and update the statistic on how bitcoins as investment/holdings are distributed according to the size of actual holding (note that this differs from the largest addresses -list).

That is the first sentence in the OP of the thread. Hilarious

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The masses have always complained about the 'bankers' hoarding unmerited wealth at the cost of the small people. Now, they will have 927 new hot targets of unmatched concentration of riches. And since all of it was made purely by pumping and dumping thin air, the bankers, given bitcoin replaces fiat, will look like innocent children. One can already envisage all the new illuminati stories in the next 100 years to come. And boy, they will be big. All the socialist buzzwords, that bitcoin depends on, like 'people's money', will go astray at the first mass crowd's realization that 0,00001% owns 50% of all the assets.

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"We ran the calculations by Martti Malmi, one of Bitcoin's earliest developers, and he agreed they were basically sound. "The order of magnitude seems right," he said in an email to BI."

That's the best you could say about a made up number like 927.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2013, 08:57:49 AM

Quote from: cfrm on December 11, 2013, 08:34:19 AM

How many per cent of all USD is held by the 900 richest people in USA?

Definitely not 50%. Should be much less than that amount. The richest 1% (somewhere around 2 to 3 million people) hold 42% of the wealth in the USA. So should be somewhere around 10-20%.

I think in reality is LESS than 900. If I were a fortune teller I would say that it's something close to 90%. Some huge banks and hedge funds have its owners and those owners can look deceptively familiar. Cartel owning fiat currencies and its derivatives is very small and narrow. 95% of $330 trillion in derivatives is held by 4-5 banks. And derivatives + 0% interest rates for chosen ones are the most effective way of wealth re-distribution upwards

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1. You need to be clear that it's all the bitcoins that have been minted.

2. It maybe news to some, but U.S gov actually controls more gold than all of their citizens' combined.

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Quote from: Johnny Bitcoinseed on December 13, 2013, 07:57:25 AM

It's like any store of wealth be it silver, gold, dollars, or what have you.

Don't be jealous and cry in your milk because someone has more than you: DO something about it.

Here's how: Create something of value other people are willing to purchase from you. THAT is the most common way to become wealthy yourself.

Remember, during the gold rushes the miners were not usually the ones who made a fortune...the merchants did!

The potential for a merchant to sell goods or services and make hundreds and thousands of bitcoins is immense. Do it now and get in on the ground floor while bitcoin is still relatively fresh and new.

This is your big chance, don't blow it by mopping around crying. Either get in the game or stay on the couch, it's your call and you reap the rewards of your decisions.

Qft.

There are lots of opportunities out there, you just have to find one and do it.

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Johnny Bitcoinseed

It's like any store of wealth be it silver, gold, dollars, or what have you.

Don't be jealous and cry in your milk because someone has more than you: DO something about it.

Here's how: Create something of value other people are willing to purchase from you. THAT is the most common way to become wealthy yourself.

Remember, during the gold rushes the miners were not usually the ones who made a fortune...the merchants did!

The potential for a merchant to sell goods or services and make hundreds and thousands of bitcoins is immense. Do it now and get in on the ground floor while bitcoin is still relatively fresh and new.

This is your big chance, don't blow it by mopping around crying. Either get in the game or stay on the couch, it's your call and you reap the rewards of your decisions.

bryant.coleman

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not so sure that is ture.

Hhmmm... I am also not sure. Just checked it, and found that #500 is holding 2,220 BTC.

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again, addresses are not people...

No. I wasn't talking about addresses. I was talking about people. There are thousands of wallets right now with more than 1K BTC.

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Quote from: BitchicksHusband on December 12, 2013, 11:34:03 AM

Quote from: FandangledGizmo on December 11, 2013, 06:38:34 PM

I personally think that those 927 people do contribute to the volatility

1. A buy & hold/hoard strategy (ironically used by people that think they are supporting BTC) manipulates the volatilty of BTC to the upside. (It removes those BTC from the actively traded BTC amount.) BTC is volatile enough as it is with a small market cap but even worse if only a small % of coins are actively traded as small $ or BTC inflows/outflows drastically move the market.

2.Their unintentional strategy manipulates the price of BTC to the downside
(Once hoarded/held - their BTC don't contribute to the future buying pressure only additional selling pressure whenever they choose to sell. I think it would help if some of them sell a few BTC into large rises and buy on dips with profits, that way I think they will help stabilize rising markets and supporting falling ones.

We BUY and hold, but don't contribute to the BUYing pressure? Uh, OK. When it dips low enough, I buy more. And hold.

Um, you managed to misquote the only sentence you pulled from my paragraph, you'd do great working for the MSM

I said you don't contribute to the 'Future' buying pressure.

(Obviously buying additional BTC with earned fiat on dips because you understand the long term potential of BTC is good too. But many of the early adopters will have too much of their NAV already in BTC to justify adding further income earned outside BTC to their BTC pot.)

The buy/support wall is pretty thin, more BTC holders selling into rises and then placing buy orders at lower amounts could help contribute to decreasing volatility until there is more transactional demand for BTC.

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A very few hoarders with many coins contribute to the volatility: they contribute to the volatility because they don't actually trade / spend:
Are we supposed to spend bitcoin or can we also use it for saving? I thought that the point of bitcoin, the currency, was also to be free.
Do you live your life spending everything you earn?
And how do you know an address/es is owner by a single person and not a society / group?

Personally, at this stage I don't care if bitcoin is more or less volatile as I see my money "lost" anyway, consider it's an highly speculative new technology

Note: bitcoin is the currency and Bitcoin is the network, Subject is misspelled twice!

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I personally control multiple addresses, each of which have under 1000 bitcoin. But when added together... they are still far less than 1000. Sad

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ITT: People starting to learn that all monetary systems are subject to the Pareto Principle.

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Quote from: FandangledGizmo on December 11, 2013, 06:38:34 PM

I personally think that those 927 people do contribute to the volatility

1. A buy & hold/hoard strategy (ironically used by people that think they are supporting BTC) manipulates the volatilty of BTC to the upside. (It removes those BTC from the actively traded BTC amount.) BTC is volatile enough as it is with a small market cap but even worse if only a small % of coins are actively traded as small $ or BTC inflows/outflows drastically move the market.

2.Their unintentional strategy manipulates the price of BTC to the downside
(Once hoarded/held - their BTC don't contribute to the future buying pressure only additional selling pressure whenever they choose to sell. I think it would help if some of them sell a few BTC into large rises and buy on dips with profits, that way I think they will help stabilize rising markets and supporting falling ones.

We BUY and hold, but don't contribute to the BUYing pressure? Uh, OK. When it dips low enough, I buy more. And hold.

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Quote from: watts on December 12, 2013, 09:46:04 AM

It's important to remember though that the market cap of the US dollar is a multitude of times higher than the market cap of Bitcoin. If Bitcoin's market cap was as high as the US dollar, the wealth would likely be more evenly-distributed.

Important point. Many of these 927 people will cash out within the next 1-2 years. Only a few months ago, we had around 1,200 people with more than 1K bitcoins. Now the number is down to 0.9K.

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Oil was dominated by fewer people

watts

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It's important to remember though that the market cap of the US dollar is a multitude of times higher than the market cap of Bitcoin. If Bitcoin's market cap was as high as the US dollar, the wealth would likely be more evenly-distributed.

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I think it will become more stable in the next years but it will definitely add zeros to its fiat price : ))

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I don't think that is the reason things are so volatile. I think cryptocurrency's inherent instability that is the real problem. Those 900-some people for the most part are not trading constantly, they are holding on to their bitcoins, and the little guys are moving coins around all over the place. The fact that regulations are still constantly coming down regarding bitcoins also contributes to their instability, as the market is nervous about their ever-changing legality and area of use.

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Quote from: matt608 on December 11, 2013, 06:22:01 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2013, 08:57:49 AM

Quote from: cfrm on December 11, 2013, 08:34:19 AM

How many per cent of all USD is held by the 900 richest people in USA?

The richest 1% (somewhere around 2 to 3 million people) hold 42% of the wealth in the USA. So should be somewhere around 10-20%.

Source? See this: Walmart Heirs Worth Same Amount As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans In 2010
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/waltons-net-worth_n_1680642.html

http://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-6432&y=-9056&z=2 has a good chart you can zoom around with.

the breakout is:

1.3% of the HOUSEHOLDS, 1.6 million, earn 20% of the money. $2 trillion dollars. ($400,000+ a year income)
08%, 09 million households, earn 20%... $2 trillion ($150,000-$400,000)
16%, 18 million households, earn 20%... $2 trillion ($90,000-$150,000)
23%, 27 million households, earn 20%... $2 trillion ($55,000-$90,000)
50%, 63 million households, earn 20%... $2 trillion (0-$55,000)

This is different than "are worth same as 40%" or "hold X% of the wealth."

"the walmart heirs" constitute either 1 mega household (don't think so) or multiple households...

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