A beautiful disaster for the Philippines - page 8.

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Quote from: Aikonio on December 24, 2016, 10:59:35 AM

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You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

You are wrong the ph governtment are not the one who is doing the extra judicial killings they are not also tolerating the criminals who are doing this killings. The police also is doing their jobs about the criminals and drugs.

The Philippine government and Duterte can't escape from taking responsibility for all these murders done by the vigilantes. It was Duterte, who encouraged the vigilantes to massacre the drug peddlers.

Moreover Duterte himself participated in the execution of drug traffickers. This recognition necessarily ever lead him to the electric chair. But Filipinos are to blame for that chose a President.

People get the government they deserve.

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Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

You are wrong the ph governtment are not the one who is doing the extra judicial killings they are not also tolerating the criminals who are doing this killings. The police also is doing their jobs about the criminals and drugs.

The Philippine government and Duterte can't escape from taking responsibility for all these murders done by the vigilantes. It was Duterte, who encouraged the vigilantes to massacre the drug peddlers.

Moreover Duterte himself participated in the execution of drug traffickers. This recognition necessarily ever lead him to the electric chair. But Filipinos are to blame for that chose a President.

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Quote from: Cactushrt on December 24, 2016, 09:55:11 AM

Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

You are wrong the ph governtment are not the one who is doing the extra judicial killings they are not also tolerating the criminals who are doing this killings. The police also is doing their jobs about the criminals and drugs.

The Philippine government and Duterte can't escape from taking responsibility for all these murders done by the vigilantes. It was Duterte, who encouraged the vigilantes to massacre the drug peddlers.

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Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

You are wrong the ph governtment are not the one who is doing the extra judicial killings they are not also tolerating the criminals who are doing this killings. The police also is doing their jobs about the criminals and drugs.

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Quote from: Klima on December 23, 2016, 12:05:23 PM

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The prez of the pinoys needs to fix the economical problems and get his people jobs. If they had jobs then most of them wouldn't be addicts. But the Philippines is a shithole of a country that will never get out of the 3rd world paradigm. Not like this anyways...

I do not believe that the Philippines will ever be able to develop its economy in such presidents. Nobody will invest a dime in the economy of the country in which the street without trial law enforcement officers kill people.

The problem in the Philippines is we only want quick fixes. It's the get-rich-quicky mentality all over again. There are drug lords, kill them all, no more drugs. Well, it's not as simple as that. They keep on saying that the economy is growing but it's not really making any impact on the man on the street.

The political system is also bad. Even the election system is horrible. We almost always only get minority presidents and then they wonder why no matter who sits in that damned palace people are always angry.

It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

I can just imagine what would happen if it was suddenly legalized. The drug lords would see money taken right off their hands. Hmm, what if we legalize marijuana as recreational drug? It already grow well enough here and as far as I know it don't have the same extreme effect as meth. Maybe just pick it as a lesser of two evils, like how we always conduct or election?

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It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

The root cause of drug addiction is poverty, and not corruption. I agree that corruption is one of the factors which tend to amplify the drug menace. But corruption itself is a byproduct of poverty.

I do not agree. Corruption begets power. You can not know that the corruption you have in Russia is not associated with poverty. Just poverty deprives people of dignity. Here Russian and put up with this phenomenon. You do a very similar situation with the Philippines.

Stay on the topic. OP is about Philippines, and not Russia. You Ukrainian trolls better create another thread, rather than swamping this thread with your anti-Russian propaganda.

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It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

The root cause of drug addiction is poverty, and not corruption. I agree that corruption is one of the factors which tend to amplify the drug menace. But corruption itself is a byproduct of poverty.

I do not agree. Corruption begets power. You can not know that the corruption you have in Russia is not associated with poverty. Just poverty deprives people of dignity. Here Russian and put up with this phenomenon. You do a very similar situation with the Philippines.

Well if you say corruption, you would be pertaining to those people in the higher echelon of governments that are protecting drug dealers and have no direct contact with drugs. It's not really about getting high or being addicted. I kind of agree that poverty is one of the main causes of this as most people who are using these illegal substances belong to the lower level of society. People who've experienced hunger, or those that can't support daily living. The current philippine administration has a different approach to solving this problem, albeit a radical one. Hopefully in the end, his style would prove beneficial

The vast majority of the drug users belong to the extremely poor social class. The reason why they are using drugs, is to relax from the tension and pressure of everyday life, or to mingle with their friends.

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Quote from: tracktorr on December 23, 2016, 03:03:36 PM

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Quote from: Klima on December 23, 2016, 12:05:23 PM

It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

The root cause of drug addiction is poverty, and not corruption. I agree that corruption is one of the factors which tend to amplify the drug menace. But corruption itself is a byproduct of poverty.

I do not agree. Corruption begets power. You can not know that the corruption you have in Russia is not associated with poverty. Just poverty deprives people of dignity. Here Russian and put up with this phenomenon. You do a very similar situation with the Philippines.

Well if you say corruption, you would be pertaining to those people in the higher echelon of governments that are protecting drug dealers and have no direct contact with drugs. It's not really about getting high or being addicted. I kind of agree that poverty is one of the main causes of this as most people who are using these illegal substances belong to the lower level of society. People who've experienced hunger, or those that can't support daily living. The current philippine administration has a different approach to solving this problem, albeit a radical one. Hopefully in the end, his style would prove beneficial

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 23, 2016, 01:10:57 PM

Quote from: Klima on December 23, 2016, 12:05:23 PM

It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

The root cause of drug addiction is poverty, and not corruption. I agree that corruption is one of the factors which tend to amplify the drug menace. But corruption itself is a byproduct of poverty.

I do not agree. Corruption begets power. You can not know that the corruption you have in Russia is not associated with poverty. Just poverty deprives people of dignity. Here Russian and put up with this phenomenon. You do a very similar situation with the Philippines.

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Quote from: Klima on December 23, 2016, 12:05:23 PM

It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

The root cause of drug addiction is poverty, and not corruption. I agree that corruption is one of the factors which tend to amplify the drug menace. But corruption itself is a byproduct of poverty.

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Quote from: Achargeturry78 on September 24, 2016, 09:40:12 PM

It seems that President of the Philippines is doing something in his country. Focusing on eradication drugs, corruption and criminality. I guess the Philippines is now in the process of cleansing the nation. I see now what is on the mind of the President of the Philippines. Those plans of his administration works its like he use is words to change the mindset of the people. Its like the changing the mindset of the people into right the place by using bad example which is the war on drugs because he knows that it is the only language that bad persons understand it. And good listeners educate his leadership in the near future.

Hhhmm.. It seems like this is really interesting and i certainly support your ideas for the president of the Philippines using his speaking to convince the Filipino's to follow his decision but recently not applied to some people really Filipino's is really hard headed i am a filipino my self and i really support what ever who's the president is i'll support all the way but still its the drug his focusing about because in the Philippines we abuse drugs i mean the drug users i think 50% of filipino's use drugs or sell because to earn some money or to get out of ones problems still our president is really focusing on drug users and drug lord they can kill civilians in the philippines i mean they really don't care about what will happened to them but they just take shabo and our president hates that he wants country to be perfect and no drugs

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Quote from: Mometaskers on December 23, 2016, 11:51:16 AM

Quote from: Mersedes on December 23, 2016, 10:52:38 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPicasso on December 23, 2016, 10:29:43 AM

The prez of the pinoys needs to fix the economical problems and get his people jobs. If they had jobs then most of them wouldn't be addicts. But the Philippines is a shithole of a country that will never get out of the 3rd world paradigm. Not like this anyways...

I do not believe that the Philippines will ever be able to develop its economy in such presidents. Nobody will invest a dime in the economy of the country in which the street without trial law enforcement officers kill people.

The problem in the Philippines is we only want quick fixes. It's the get-rich-quicky mentality all over again. There are drug lords, kill them all, no more drugs. Well, it's not as simple as that. They keep on saying that the economy is growing but it's not really making any impact on the man on the street.

The political system is also bad. Even the election system is horrible. We almost always only get minority presidents and then they wonder why no matter who sits in that damned palace people are always angry.

It seems to me that the problem of drug addiction lies in corruption. It is not possible to sell drugs secretly. You need not to be greedy and set a monetary award for information on any dealer or manufacturer of drugs. The people themselves will find them.

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Quote from: Mersedes on December 23, 2016, 10:52:38 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPicasso on December 23, 2016, 10:29:43 AM

The prez of the pinoys needs to fix the economical problems and get his people jobs. If they had jobs then most of them wouldn't be addicts. But the Philippines is a shithole of a country that will never get out of the 3rd world paradigm. Not like this anyways...

I do not believe that the Philippines will ever be able to develop its economy in such presidents. Nobody will invest a dime in the economy of the country in which the street without trial law enforcement officers kill people.

The problem in the Philippines is we only want quick fixes. It's the get-rich-quicky mentality all over again. There are drug lords, kill them all, no more drugs. Well, it's not as simple as that. They keep on saying that the economy is growing but it's not really making any impact on the man on the street.

The political system is also bad. Even the election system is horrible. We almost always only get minority presidents and then they wonder why no matter who sits in that damned palace people are always angry.

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Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 11:35:22 AM

Quote from: Xester on December 23, 2016, 08:44:28 AM

Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

The Philippine government is not eliminating drug addicts and pushers if they surrender and not fight the cops. The government is promoting voluntary surrender of addicts and pushers and thousands of them rallied and promised to change and undergoes rehabilitation programs by the government. The government has suffered negative media publicity due to influence of oligarchs who owns the TV companies that are controlled by the other political party that tries to shut down the present administration.

I really don't know who are being brainwashed here, it seems from your statement that the killings isn't happening around the country and they way you potray the government seems you justify every extra judicial killings that happened and they are promoting something that is not happening. Listen, you don't have to watch or listen to every mainstream media to know what's happening around you, you just have to open your eyes and think.

In a totalitarian state the people can't think. Just because their brain does not work they allow the rise to power of dictators and murderers. This country has no future. People will have to overthrow the government of dictator and shed his blood.

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Quote from: Xester on December 23, 2016, 08:44:28 AM

Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

The Philippine government is not eliminating drug addicts and pushers if they surrender and not fight the cops. The government is promoting voluntary surrender of addicts and pushers and thousands of them rallied and promised to change and undergoes rehabilitation programs by the government. The government has suffered negative media publicity due to influence of oligarchs who owns the TV companies that are controlled by the other political party that tries to shut down the present administration.

I really don't know who are being brainwashed here, it seems from your statement that the killings isn't happening around the country and they way you potray the government seems you justify every extra judicial killings that happened and they are promoting something that is not happening. Listen, you don't have to watch or listen to every mainstream media to know what's happening around you, you just have to open your eyes and think.

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Quote from: BitcoinPicasso on December 23, 2016, 10:29:43 AM

The prez of the pinoys needs to fix the economical problems and get his people jobs. If they had jobs then most of them wouldn't be addicts. But the Philippines is a shithole of a country that will never get out of the 3rd world paradigm. Not like this anyways...

I do not believe that the Philippines will ever be able to develop its economy in such presidents. Nobody will invest a dime in the economy of the country in which the street without trial law enforcement officers kill people.

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The prez of the pinoys needs to fix the economical problems and get his people jobs. If they had jobs then most of them wouldn't be addicts. But the Philippines is a shithole of a country that will never get out of the 3rd world paradigm. Not like this anyways...

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This will just play into the hands of drug manufacturers and corrupt policemen. With the threat of death penalty, police can ask for more protection money. Drug lords will see their poorer competition die because of the increased cost of protection. In the end it's business as usual. America and Columbia's experience with the drug war should have shown that this approach is not as effective as it seem.

It would help if we could address the reason that people get into drugs. Supply will simply expand to fulfill the demand, as long as people yearn for it, someone would make and sell it. By making it harder to obtain, you also increase its price, meaning the drug lords earn more.

A few well placed operation here in there would yield some results but the solution would be socioeconomic if we are to solve this for the long-term. Anyone here remembered the American Prohibition where they banned alcohol? S**t escalated quickly and just caused more trouble than what it's intended to solve.

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Quote from: zero1ten on December 23, 2016, 12:43:56 AM

You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

The Philippine government is not eliminating drug addicts and pushers if they surrender and not fight the cops. The government is promoting voluntary surrender of addicts and pushers and thousands of them rallied and promised to change and undergoes rehabilitation programs by the government. The government has suffered negative media publicity due to influence of oligarchs who owns the TV companies that are controlled by the other political party that tries to shut down the present administration.

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Quote from: startselect on September 25, 2016, 03:05:22 AM

I see that a lot of people are talking about the Philippines and their President. So how exactly is he achieving this. Is this the guy who's like killing them, even if they come from another country? If so it would be interesting how such tactic turn out.

As long as he has the overwhelming amount of popular support, he can do things like these. But a single mistake can prove to be very costly. The entire population will revolt against him, and overthrow him. This has happened to many of the populist leaders in the past, and I believe that this will happen to Duterte in the future.

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You can't fight a crime by creating another crime, there's no justification for that, the government is just creating another problem for the society because if ever they eliminate all the drug addicts or personalities, it will just be replaced by killers and murderers everywhere and it doesn't make the country any better that way at all.

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