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Quote from: AGULIS on January 19, 2025, 12:31:39 PM

Quote from: stompix on January 19, 2025, 09:56:12 AM

And how are you going to see the pattern?
Do you know who bets on what kind of event on what bookie and how large the sums are?
You could have watched the match and seen nothing, just a stupid guy getting a yellow card for nothing, how would anyone think this was a setup?

Identifying patterns or suspicious activity related to match-fixing or other potential match-fixing in football, although challenging, is possible through data investigation and analysis.
This primarily concerns statistical anomalies. It also concerns suspicious player behavior, unusual or unexplained actions on the pitch.
For example, unusually large bets or sudden changes in odds before a match may indicate insider information or manipulation. And so on.

Did you actually read what I wrote or you just made this wall of nonsense just to make a reply?

How would you, a person who has no access to this data know of such a pattern?
Second, if bookies who for sure can see bets that exceed usually anomalies are not willing to disclose them, how would you know?
You said that you could see such things if they happen, well did you see the unusual bet on the yellow ticket? No, you didn't, so based on your logic it didn't happen!

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Quote from: stompix on January 19, 2025, 09:56:12 AM

Quote from: AGULIS on January 19, 2025, 07:40:57 AM

Some incidents, such as deliberate booking, may be isolated and not indicate a pattern of such practices across football. However, if such incidents become part of a wider trend or organised action, then we may begin to see a pattern.

And how are you going to see the pattern?
Do you know who bets on what kind of event on what bookie and how large the sums are?
You could have watched the match and seen nothing, just a stupid guy getting a yellow card for nothing, how would anyone think this was a setup?

Identifying patterns or suspicious activity related to match-fixing or other potential match-fixing in football, although challenging, is possible through data investigation and analysis.
This primarily concerns statistical anomalies. It also concerns suspicious player behavior, unusual or unexplained actions on the pitch.
For example, unusually large bets or sudden changes in odds before a match may indicate insider information or manipulation. And so on.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on January 19, 2025, 09:03:48 AM

Why risk it for a few bucks? Yes it's probably a decent amount or maybe they were threatened, but you risk not being able to compete in a sport that you love for year and possibly for life.

The only way to stop it is for sport books not to offer markets on the smaller leagues, but even then you'd prob hear about illegal betting somewhere.

Greed is ugly.

If the allegation is confirmed true, the risk is done, probably because he thought it would never be noticed, seeing it as a means to make extra cash, adding to whatever is being paid. At that point in time, the greed in them doesn't allow them to think about the aftereffect; what matters is what could be achieved at that point in time.

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I am not surprised at all for that news. It's pretty common to see such kinds of tricks in Italy with "strange bets".
In the end its really hard to prove it was really guilty and in most of the cases players will receive a suspension after many years of "legal trial".

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Quote from: danherbias07 on January 19, 2025, 10:27:32 AM

Imagine what they wasted. That's what I am thinking about after reading this.
Let's just say they make $5000 a month for the lowest but the man was a goalkeeper so I bet he is making more.
*After checking he is making £14,266 per week. £741,850 per season.

Now, is it really worth it or did he make a bad mistake that he will forever think about and be a nightmare of his life? Yeah, I think it will be a damn nightmare.
Some people just won't think about what they are going to lose financially in the long-term because of the good offer short-term. That's where mistakes are often made and this could be one good example of that.
After reading the news, it was said that they are still being investigated but I hope something good will come up to make this a lesson to every professional player. Don't even think about trying it.

Nothing is more important then a person self respect and pride. Once you are caught of cheating, the tag stays with you for rest of your life and it's difficult to get rid of. Maduka Okoye is still under investigation and not accused of guilty. If he survives then it's fine for him otherwise his career will be in great danger. Once you are banned, it's very difficult to make a come back and regain your previous position. These are true examples of how bad greed is.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on January 19, 2025, 10:54:23 AM

I think there has to be clearer rules as regards match fixing, because from another perspective, how does a goalie or player in summary, who wastes time to help his team secure all three points be faulted and investigated for match fixing because he held onto the ball too long. Isn't a referees yellow or red card enough to settle this confusion instead of putting the careers of this promising players on the line?

Unless there is evidence to show their involvement having received instructions on fixing the said matches along with details of funds received as part of return for a job well done, then there isn't much qualms because this might just be another smoke screen to hide a much bigger agenda that Udine is involved in.

It's a delicate matter. What calls attention in this case is that there is also potential involvement from the pizzeria owner guy, who was accused of organizing the scheme. If this man was mentioned, it means authorities have evidence and proof against him, what consequently links him to the goalkeeper.

Anyway, as you said, it's still too early to assure and judge anything. I've already seen cases of match fixing accusations where the investigations didn't go ahead, and the accused players are still performing nicely on the teams and leagues where they are playing.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 19, 2025, 07:23:40 AM

This footballer in the Italian Serie A could face a four-year ban from all football competitions for his alleged involvement in match fixing. It is not just him alone, the Diego Giordano, a 40-year-old pizzeria owner in Udine could also face sanctions.

How did the match fixing happen? The player who is a goalie was booked for time-wasting in the 64th minute during one of the games in March 2024. Time wasting is a type of match fixing in addition to those from the ref and other officials.

Match fixing happens everywhere but it is only easier to detect in the smaller leagues

Read about it - https://sportsration.com/maduka-okoye-in-trouble-as-investigation-begins-into-illegal-betting-accusation/

I think there has to be clearer rules as regards match fixing, because from another perspective, how does a goalie or player in summary, who wastes time to help his team secure all three points be faulted and investigated for match fixing because he held onto the ball too long. Isn't a referees yellow or red card enough to settle this confusion instead of putting the careers of this promising players on the line?

Unless there is evidence to show their involvement having received instructions on fixing the said matches along with details of funds received as part of return for a job well done, then there isn't much qualms because this might just be another smoke screen to hide a much bigger agenda that Udine is involved in.

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This post actually reminds me of a discussion I came across sometime in the past off forum where a couple of gamblers were of the opinion that it's possible that some casinos can stage matches just to be able to bag more losses from their users only it wouldn't seem like the casinos cheated, rather it would seem like a regular lost game to a majority of gamblers . However they were also of the opinion that it's more likely to happen in smaller leagues and friendly matches since they aren't much serious unlike bigger leagues.

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 19, 2025, 07:23:40 AM

Match fixing happens everywhere but it is only easier to detect in the smaller leagues.
Read about it - https://sportsration.com/maduka-okoye-in-trouble-as-investigation-begins-into-illegal-betting-accusation/

I read through the post and from the write-up he seems to be denying that he's actually guilty of illegal betting. Nevertheless if they found solid evidence about it , there is a high chance he would be eventually banned.

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Quote from: peter0425 on January 19, 2025, 09:42:42 AM

To me if you could even consider cheating on a sport, you have not enough passion for the sport itself and you are just playing for the money.

If not for the money, you can not see Messy and Ronaldo playing football at the international level. All those that you see there are there because of their career and which is about their success and money.

Quote from: Kelward on January 19, 2025, 10:06:13 AM

Cases of match fixing have been resurfacing for sometime now and it's definitely not a good trend for sports bet. If it becomes a norm that a perticular sport bets is being fixed it will make the sport to loose relevance and gamblers will not be willing to make bets on the sport. Football is a very popular sport but match fixing can ruin it's reputation especially if it's found out that top leagues are involved in it, through the players, clubs and officials.

Since the case of match fixing that is leveled against Okoye, is under investigation, I think that the best thing to do is relax and wait for their conclusion.

That is not match fixing, although if what the player is accused of is true, he manipulates but just a single person can not make match fixing possible unless many people planned it.

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Imagine what they wasted. That's what I am thinking about after reading this.
Let's just say they make $5000 a month for the lowest but the man was a goalkeeper so I bet he is making more.
*After checking he is making £14,266 per week. £741,850 per season.

Now, is it really worth it or did he make a bad mistake that he will forever think about and be a nightmare of his life? Yeah, I think it will be a damn nightmare.
Some people just won't think about what they are going to lose financially in the long-term because of the good offer short-term. That's where mistakes are often made and this could be one good example of that.
After reading the news, it was said that they are still being investigated but I hope something good will come up to make this a lesson to every professional player. Don't even think about trying it.

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It was the match Udinese vs Lazio in March 12, however I can't find the replay or highlight where Maduka Okoye got yellow card. I wonder who actually report this case after 9 months while there's no highlight and public talk about it.

Match fixing can still happen in top league, but it mostly not affect the outcome, they're only did something stupid like get yellow card, corner kick etc.

It's nothing different with Lucas Paqueta's case.

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Big leagues, more attention so chances of getting caught is likely higher, and some of them can't even verifiable which is what likely they will be pulling if the results are not in their way so they can manipulate the results into their wish. Anyway it's still alleged not proven so the game association or whoever responsible to monitor them has to implement strict standards as well as serious penalty if one get caught so no one will dare to attempt.

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Cases of match fixing have been resurfacing for sometime now and it's definitely not a good trend for sports bet. If it becomes a norm that a perticular sport bets is being fixed it will make the sport to loose relevance and gamblers will not be willing to make bets on the sport. Football is a very popular sport but match fixing can ruin it's reputation especially if it's found out that top leagues are involved in it, through the players, clubs and officials.

Since the case of match fixing that is leveled against Okoye, is under investigation, I think that the best thing to do is relax and wait for their conclusion.

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Quote from: AGULIS on January 19, 2025, 07:40:57 AM

Some incidents, such as deliberate booking, may be isolated and not indicate a pattern of such practices across football. However, if such incidents become part of a wider trend or organised action, then we may begin to see a pattern.

And how are you going to see the pattern?
Do you know who bets on what kind of event on what bookie and how large the sums are?
You could have watched the match and seen nothing, just a stupid guy getting a yellow card for nothing, how would anyone think this was a setup?

Quote from: yahoo62278 on January 19, 2025, 09:03:48 AM

Why risk it for a few bucks? Yes it's probably a decent amount or maybe they were threatened, but you risk not being able to compete in a sport that you love for year and possibly for life.

Because they are stupid and they think that first time nobody is going to give them trouble?
Or because the sum of money they would get now was bigger than what they were supposed to gain for the entire year?

Also, not sure about the "love", for most players nowadays is just a job they are doing.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on January 19, 2025, 09:03:48 AM

Why risk it for a few bucks? Yes it's probably a decent amount or maybe they were threatened, but you risk not being able to compete in a sport that you love for year and possibly for life.

To me if you could even consider cheating on a sport, you have not enough passion for the sport itself and you are just playing for the money. Maybe they are just struggling so much that they had to consider cheating for the money. But it just means that there is no respect left for the sport so it is just appropriate that they get proper punishments.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on January 19, 2025, 09:03:48 AM

Why risk it for a few bucks? Yes it's probably a decent amount or maybe they were threatened, but you risk not being able to compete in a sport that you love for year and possibly for life.

The only way to stop it is for sport books not to offer markets on the smaller leagues, but even then you'd prob hear about illegal betting somewhere.

Greed is ugly.

I do not think we should ask this question unless if he truly did it is included. There is still an investigation going on to know if he was truly doing time-wasting or not. There are some investigations in the past that the person accused to have done something wrong was proven to have done nothing wrong. We do not know what will be the outcome after the investigation.

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Quote from: Btcdeybodi on January 19, 2025, 08:58:26 AM

Football is really becoming so interesting because how did the football body know that his friends placed bets that the goalie will get a yellow card in the match. Like how was the investigation done, was it that the betting site reported the experience to football authorities before they found out? What if what happened was a case of coincidence because i have watched many football games that the goalkeeper delays playing out a ball and they are often given yellow card and it happens mostly towards the ending time and if they are the one's winning or if the outcome of the match is favoring them. Match fixing happens but how do the football body detect a match fixing?

Most of this match fixing organizer usually sell this info to trusted 3rd party that willing to pay for the premium. They probably leak the info to the wrong guy which directly report it to the sports commissioner that’s why they are caught.

There’s no way to know this information through just simple investigation without any leak from whistleblowers that probably planted to caught illegal activities like this. I’m surprised that there’s still brave player that has courage to do this match fixing that involves outsider.

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Why risk it for a few bucks? Yes it's probably a decent amount or maybe they were threatened, but you risk not being able to compete in a sport that you love for year and possibly for life.

The only way to stop it is for sport books not to offer markets on the smaller leagues, but even then you'd prob hear about illegal betting somewhere.

Greed is ugly.

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Football is really becoming so interesting because how did the football body know that his friends placed bets that the goalie will get a yellow card in the match. Like how was the investigation done, was it that the betting site reported the experience to football authorities before they found out? What if what happened was a case of coincidence because i have watched many football games that the goalkeeper delays playing out a ball and they are often given yellow card and it happens mostly towards the ending time and if they are the side winning or if the outcome of the match is favoring them. Match fixing happens but how do the football body detect a match fixing?

Quote from: Charles-Tim on January 19, 2025, 08:51:59 AM

Not that it is done by the whole club to manipulate. Also not that it is done by the two teams to achieve their predetermined result. It is done by a single person which is not match-fixing.

You can't say that because it involves a single player and not call it match fixing and how do you think that a whole club or two teams can involve in match fixing when they are aware of the sanctions that will follow such act if caught. Match fixing can be done by a single player or a group of players. How about those bias judgement from football officials like the referee and the assistant referees, will you also say that they don't involve in match fixing simply because it's a singular decision?

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Quote from: coin-investor on January 19, 2025, 08:50:09 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 19, 2025, 07:23:40 AM

Match fixing happens everywhere but it is only easier to detect in the smaller leagues

In general, yes, because there is no governing body to oversee that the game is free from manipulation. Its hard to fix matches in a big league like an international league because you have the whole world watching; its hard for mafias to exert their influence on players and on teams.
So these small leagues, if the commissioner has a serious campaign against match-fixing, they will be caught; they will face severe punishment.
Match-fixing should never exist in any sports; the bettors and the viewing public pay or bet money to see games fought in a real battle.

It's very sad, but I heard a few weeks ago a historical figure of MMA in my country who was asked about this, and answered that in some championships the one who wins is the one who makes more money (for who knows who).

It is a cynical and pessimistic view of the world, but nothing is black or white, and such things keep happening, unfortunately.

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