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Quote from: serjent05 on March 15, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

To be completely honest, not only those newbies were not reading the TOS or the FAQs, but also those who have gambled for many years already. The only difference is, newbies are of course not familiar with the common TOS that most of the online gambling website have. Those that are experienced knew the common rules of an online casino, but it should also be wise to at least check the country/area restrictions and the use of VPN, that I guess is the only major challenges you'll have when you're restricted.

That is why we should always read the TOS, even though it is long and boring. For myself, I only learned the important information that must not be done in the casino in the FAQs, as they are mostly short and direct to the point, which is why that is the best place to start checking information before doing things that you think will affect your accounts. Also, those who are experienced gamblers know everything from their friends or from forums about the rules; only a few people read the TOS, but it's better if you can skim it or ask questions.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 15, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

I guess that this is something we all should do when we use any online services (search engines, Apps, virtual stores...) but we don't. In the case of online casinos, the main difference is that the direct consequence is more obvious: we lose money directly from our balance.

I have the suspicion that there are some casinos out there (not the best known ones, but some of the newest or smallest) that do systematically benefit from this common mistake. Knowing that people do not read the TOS, they make profit from the unwary who gamble from a country not admitted, use a VPN by default, etc.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 15, 2023, 06:01:08 PM

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

To be completely honest, not only those newbies were not reading the TOS or the FAQs, but also those who have gambled for many years already. The only difference is, newbies are of course not familiar with the common TOS that most of the online gambling website have. Those that are experienced knew the common rules of an online casino, but it should also be wise to at least check the country/area restrictions and the use of VPN, that I guess is the only major challenges you'll have when you're restricted.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 15, 2023, 03:51:51 PM

I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

You're not alone, many of us here I guess have that habit that we're not reading the TOS of where we're registering with. I think that's a par thing to do even if we don't read TOS and just sign up immediately but before we sign up, we're doing some research. However, that's still not a reason to avoid reading the TOS just because we've already made research. Actually, it's making me think that research first which is needed to be done, and then reading the TOS if we're decided to sign up and gamble from that casino we're researching. So, it's gotta be a combination of both of it to be not resulting into a mistake.

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

I do agree that we need to know more about the platform we are about to register and reading its FAQ, and TOS is one good way to know more about that platform. We can also check the internet for the reviews before deciding to play on the said platform.

- It seems that there are many communities here in this forum who often ignore the reading of the toss that there are in crypto gambling here ah.

But anyway, mate, if you know that you are not violating any of the rules that the casino has, then just continue gambling using their platform, especially if you can withdraw without encountering any problems.

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Quote from: maydna on March 16, 2023, 03:59:50 AM

We don't expect much from them because they decided not to check every casino rule. And if they make an accidental mistake because of their inaccuracy, they have to sort it out themselves and hope they can do it.

and they are the type of gambler that loves to risk , and this is the fruit of their laziness Grin

and let them learn from their mistakes so in time it will be their guidance not to happen again.

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Supposedly if they have had an experience like that, they can learn from that experience and not try to repeat it in other casinos. But apparently not so because some still repeat it and get almost the same problem. Let's hope we don't get into trouble like them.

who will never learn losing that kind? even a big time gambler will never let that to happen again lol.

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I know what you mean where most of the newbies who gambled in an online casino is not following the casino's rules and regulations or terms and conditions which could lead them getting banned or never getting their winnings if won. When a person create an account in a casino that person is required to check it which is toknow the reason why people should checked it. Not reading the terms and conditions would lead to that situation or the reason why newbies mameya mistake.

That's because most beginners don't check the casino rules and register directly with the casino. Even though this is important for those who are still beginners so that they slowly learn to understand the rules and don't get into trouble later, and if they already know the rules, they can play calmly and maybe follow the promos in the casino properly. And when they want to withdraw their winnings, it won't be a problem because they haven't violated any casino rules. So no more people complaining that the casino is cheating them because they can't withdraw their winnings.

What can we expect from them? They are just beginners but mistakes like that can re-shape them and build them to become better. The next time they play again, they will check all the details so that the experience that they will get is going to be great.

It was mostly newbies who are tempted to follow the promotions but they will be like us who will get tired of it once they figured out that promotions are hard to fulfill. There are casinos who are scam and no matter how we follow their rules, we still can't be able to withdraw our winnings. Complaining is useless because there is no way that they can change their mind once they already done those things.

We don't expect much from them because they decided not to check every casino rule. And if they make an accidental mistake because of their inaccuracy, they have to sort it out themselves and hope they can do it.

Supposedly if they have had an experience like that, they can learn from that experience and not try to repeat it in other casinos. But apparently not so because some still repeat it and get almost the same problem. Let's hope we don't get into trouble like them.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on March 15, 2023, 05:59:07 PM

I seriously don't think it's proper to just jump on a casino site and begin to request for a wallet to deposit 'em funds and begin gambling immediately, when you're supposed to read alot from the listed TOS,T/C's and FAQs just to know how the whole operational route is supposed to be followed without unnecessary fouls on the long run.

Well, that's what newbies suppose to do, but unfortunately, they aren't reading what must be read because they believe it's a waste of time. They are only eyeing on the possible profits that they can get if they win. Now when the worse thing happens, they will blame the casino for it where in fact, it's their problem that they didn't read what must be read like the TOS, FAQ blah blah.

They are just scrolling down the TOS, check the small box below and proceed. There are some gamblers who are focusing more on their possible profits while there are some who are focusing more on the bonuses that they can get. Well, there's nothing wrong with it, but at least read what must be read.

Like @Fundamentals Of, I'll also admit that I'm not reading the TOS or whatever it is, and TBH, I don't see anything wrong with it as long as you know when to gamble and when not to.

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But new users are asked to agree to the terms and conditions of the casinos before signing up right? They shouldn't be reminded anymore to read the rules and regulations when they're already members, because upon signing up they are already presented with the rules and regulations. All they have to do is read them. But are they reading them? Probably not. Many are guilty of this omission including myself. But at least I'm not spreading FUD due to ignorance.

New users are indeed asked to agree to the terms and conditions of the casino before registering but not many of them want to take the time to read the terms and conditions already written at the casino.
Most new users will immediately register, log into their accounts, and start depositing money to play gambling.
This makes many people have trouble when they want to withdraw their money because they think that the terms and conditions have just been made even though it is their fault for not reading the rules.
Even things like this also happen to people who have often played gambling in many casinos and it seems that we underestimate this rule and are not careful to read it.

I bet that also includes you, right? I'm admitting that I myself am also not reading entire term and conditions which are not only lengthy but are also boring. I'm not really interest with all the rules and regulations. At most, I am selective. I only read a portion of it, going directly to more important parts like withdrawal limit, fees, KYC, etc. Most of the time however this is just a kind of a verification step as even before I sign up in a gambling site, I have already more or less researched and read reviews about it.

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I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

You're not alone, many of us here I guess have that habit that we're not reading the TOS of where we're registering with. I think that's a par thing to do even if we don't read TOS and just sign up immediately but before we sign up, we're doing some research. However, that's still not a reason to avoid reading the TOS just because we've already made research. Actually, it's making me think that research first which is needed to be done, and then reading the TOS if we're decided to sign up and gamble from that casino we're researching. So, it's gotta be a combination of both of it to be not resulting into a mistake.

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

I do agree that we need to know more about the platform we are about to register and reading its FAQ, and TOS is one good way to know more about that platform. We can also check the internet for the reviews before deciding to play on the said platform.

Surely there will still be many people who register without reading the terms and conditions on certain sites, even though they don't have any problems, however, we should read it first so we can avoid problems that incriminate ourselves.
Even though maybe people who have been in gambling for a long time will certainly understand very well about the terms and conditions that are in gambling, but sometimes every gambling has different rules.
Because even though sometimes we don't have any problems but sometimes we have a bad day, at that time maybe we just realize that it's important to read the FAQ before registering.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 01:39:37 AM

The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

It's not a popular mistake but rather newbies are not just paying attention. Usually, even newbies are not aware of the Terms and Conditions, it doesn't lead to an account being flagged or something related to that and they will just play on their usual.

In general, what most new users missed are the Terms and Conditions "related" to Bonus and Promotions.

That's where sh*t happened as there are many good expectations that users are looking forward too upon reading the promotions but not taking time to read the details and the whole terms about that promotion.

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Quote from: passwordnow on March 15, 2023, 05:06:01 PM

Quote from: Slow death on March 15, 2023, 03:51:51 PM

I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

You're not alone, many of us here I guess have that habit that we're not reading the TOS of where we're registering with. I think that's a par thing to do even if we don't read TOS and just sign up immediately but before we sign up, we're doing some research. However, that's still not a reason to avoid reading the TOS just because we've already made research. Actually, it's making me think that research first which is needed to be done, and then reading the TOS if we're decided to sign up and gamble from that casino we're researching. So, it's gotta be a combination of both of it to be not resulting into a mistake.

I am also one of those that does not check TOS upon registering. Though I have not encountered any problem with my action so far, I can say that it is wrong to not check the terms and conditions of a site where we are signing up.

I do agree that we need to know more about the platform we are about to register and reading its FAQ, and TOS is one good way to know more about that platform. We can also check the internet for the reviews before deciding to play on the said platform.

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I seriously don't think it's proper to just jump on a casino site and begin to request for a wallet to deposit 'em funds and begin gambling immediately, when you're supposed to read alot from the listed TOS,T/C's and FAQs just to know how the whole operational route is supposed to be followed without unnecessary fouls on the long run.
I've seen diverse instances where peeps just get registered since they're too greedily enticed by 'em bonuses, etc...and afterwards, they'll end up trying to request a withdrawal (including the bonuses) without fulfilling the 'em terms and conditions,...and that's where everything will end cus the casino will be left with no choice than to lock your account up

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 01:39:37 AM

not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

I don't know of any gambling site that don't live you an accord box to there T&C to click before processing a registration. It's protocol for all registered gambling sites as a means to ensure the rules guiding the sphere is followed squarely and for there protection as well.
Apparently, it's mostly ignored by users due to an adrenaline rush to register and start gambling with immediate effect and they have no idea on what they've agreed to.
It's always annoying and funny to have them come up with theseaccusations at times on confiscated funds and frozen accounts. It's always up to users most times and if you play by the rules, the rules would surely guide you. When you don't play by the rules, it would be used in prosecuting you.

I know users are already aware of the importance of these rules, these terms and conditions but maybe due to laziness to read because of their greed for money making, they turn to gamble without understanding the terms and conditions first, and makes them regret in the end. And then users end up making false accusations, posting complaints here and there, not realizing that they are the ones responsible of their own mistakes in gambling.

And they do make themselves looks like a fool on what they're doing on which making out accusations without even trying to look on what they had committed or violated.They would be just simply be laughed
on by people and would really be pointing out fingers into a particular user who had just missed out on reading up something.Therefore, on the time you do make out some complaints then be sure that
you had fully followed their terms and conditions so that on the time that issues been raised up then you are on the right thing and could prove out that the platform
or the company is on having issues.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 01:39:37 AM

not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

I don't know of any gambling site that don't live you an accord box to there T&C to click before processing a registration. It's protocol for all registered gambling sites as a means to ensure the rules guiding the sphere is followed squarely and for there protection as well.
Apparently, it's mostly ignored by users due to an adrenaline rush to register and start gambling with immediate effect and they have no idea on what they've agreed to.
It's always annoying and funny to have them come up with theseaccusations at times on confiscated funds and frozen accounts. It's always up to users most times and if you play by the rules, the rules would surely guide you. When you don't play by the rules, it would be used in prosecuting you.

I know users are already aware of the importance of these rules, these terms and conditions but maybe due to laziness to read because of their greed for money making, they turn to gamble without understanding the terms and conditions first, and makes them regret in the end. And then users end up making false accusations, posting complaints here and there, not realizing that they are the ones responsible of their own mistakes in gambling.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 15, 2023, 03:51:51 PM

I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

You're not alone, many of us here I guess have that habit that we're not reading the TOS of where we're registering with. I think that's a par thing to do even if we don't read TOS and just sign up immediately but before we sign up, we're doing some research. However, that's still not a reason to avoid reading the TOS just because we've already made research. Actually, it's making me think that research first which is needed to be done, and then reading the TOS if we're decided to sign up and gamble from that casino we're researching. So, it's gotta be a combination of both of it to be not resulting into a mistake.

That's what users are doing. Instead of reading the TOS, they research on the forum and google to see if the casino is trusted or not. Once they find it good, they deposit and bet, that's just what is it.

I have no patience reading a long TOS that will take time either. Submitting KYC documents may be what he meant by costly but people are now OK with it anymore. There is no escaping from regulations. But it could be costly if OP meant the users will be cheating the casino.

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Quote from: Slow death on March 15, 2023, 03:51:51 PM

I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

You're not alone, many of us here I guess have that habit that we're not reading the TOS of where we're registering with. I think that's a par thing to do even if we don't read TOS and just sign up immediately but before we sign up, we're doing some research. However, that's still not a reason to avoid reading the TOS just because we've already made research. Actually, it's making me think that research first which is needed to be done, and then reading the TOS if we're decided to sign up and gamble from that casino we're researching. So, it's gotta be a combination of both of it to be not resulting into a mistake.

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I know what you mean where most of the newbies who gambled in an online casino is not following the casino's rules and regulations or terms and conditions which could lead them getting banned or never getting their winnings if won. When a person create an account in a casino that person is required to check it which is toknow the reason why people should checked it. Not reading the terms and conditions would lead to that situation or the reason why newbies mameya mistake.

That's because most beginners don't check the casino rules and register directly with the casino. Even though this is important for those who are still beginners so that they slowly learn to understand the rules and don't get into trouble later, and if they already know the rules, they can play calmly and maybe follow the promos in the casino properly. And when they want to withdraw their winnings, it won't be a problem because they haven't violated any casino rules. So no more people complaining that the casino is cheating them because they can't withdraw their winnings.

What can we expect from them? They are just beginners but mistakes like that can re-shape them and build them to become better. The next time they play again, they will check all the details so that the experience that they will get is going to be great.

It was mostly newbies who are tempted to follow the promotions but they will be like us who will get tired of it once they figured out that promotions are hard to fulfill. There are casinos who are scam and no matter how we follow their rules, we still can't be able to withdraw our winnings. Complaining is useless because there is no way that they can change their mind once they already done those things.

We do always say about mistakes and errors are the best teachers but eventually we could really be able to avoid up these things if we are really just that mindful when it comes to
reading up those terms and conditions or whatever information that must be read up because it would really be able to avoid you into committing out those common mistakes if you have just spare up some time for that.

Sooner or later they would really be realizing that bonuses and other correlated stuffs wont really be that something interesting considering that terms and requirement isnt
something that simply achievable.

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Quote from: maydna on March 15, 2023, 09:32:52 AM

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I know what you mean where most of the newbies who gambled in an online casino is not following the casino's rules and regulations or terms and conditions which could lead them getting banned or never getting their winnings if won. When a person create an account in a casino that person is required to check it which is toknow the reason why people should checked it. Not reading the terms and conditions would lead to that situation or the reason why newbies mameya mistake.

That's because most beginners don't check the casino rules and register directly with the casino. Even though this is important for those who are still beginners so that they slowly learn to understand the rules and don't get into trouble later, and if they already know the rules, they can play calmly and maybe follow the promos in the casino properly. And when they want to withdraw their winnings, it won't be a problem because they haven't violated any casino rules. So no more people complaining that the casino is cheating them because they can't withdraw their winnings.

What can we expect from them? They are just beginners but mistakes like that can re-shape them and build them to become better. The next time they play again, they will check all the details so that the experience that they will get is going to be great.

It was mostly newbies who are tempted to follow the promotions but they will be like us who will get tired of it once they figured out that promotions are hard to fulfill. There are casinos who are scam and no matter how we follow their rules, we still can't be able to withdraw our winnings. Complaining is useless because there is no way that they can change their mind once they already done those things.

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The problem is that considering all the rules and risks, I should not use any services Grin

Any ToS is designed so that the client is always in the red and the organization protects itself from all risks. I almost never read ToS seriously because I focus on reputation and reviews, plus I know that in case of problems I will go to court (this, of course, does not apply to online casinos and similar services).

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I confess that I am not in the habit of reading the TOS of casinos, but I research the reputation of casinos, scam cases, cases of problems with deposits and withdrawals, so when I see that the casino I intend to use has problems with deposits and withdrawals and KYC and when I run to see the TOS, but I don't have the habit of reading the TOS without first doing research on the casino, I know that my defect is not good, but I also don't like to use many casinos at the same time , I prefer to use only stake.com only, because with that I avoid doing KYC in many casinos when stake.com has everything I need

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 15, 2023, 06:01:41 AM

Most people already knew what is stated in the TOS, yet they still choose to break it because they want to take advantage of the promotions and bonuses. This is common and rampant in sign up bonuses and free spins wherein players create multiple accounts just to get those perks for newbies when they aren't newbies and it's already stated that it is prohibited to create multiple accounts. Sometimes, the people who even rant are those offenders. Which is really courageous of them since they had the guts to even complain of the suspension or banning of their accounts, knowing it to themselves they did unusual activities which lead to their account being compromised.

To cut it short, some people are not ignorant or stupid, rather they just want to make the most out of something they saw worth profiting.

Those people that think no one would know that they've violated the terms and conditions and still start a rant only to take advantage of the fact that their accounts were banned or funds confiscated are basically unethical. They know that they are wrong but they won't admit it and keep trying to get something that doesn't even belong to them in the first place.

They are not ignorant, but they do it with the purpose of maybe getting out clean and get the bonuses that they tried to cheat and have, little they know is that the platform has all their records.

the truth is that in most cases of scam customers are prevented from withdrawing money because the casino claims that they have broken the TOS when the casino is just lying, I dare to say that the number of cases of this type exceeds 90%, we have a great example here on the forum of this type of cases, for example:

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if anyone takes 1 hour reading all the accusations in this thread you will see that the casino uses the TOS to block people's account even if they are innocent people who have not broken the TOS and unfortunately this is what many casinos have been doing mainly when the customer wins money on the casino

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