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Quote from: alastantiger on March 15, 2023, 11:33:50 AM

It is obvious that one of the reasons newbies make huge mistakes in an online casino is because they neglect the do and don't of the game. Forgetting that there must be a set rules for every gambler. The first thing any gambler should do is to go though the
Not just the newbies but also to everyone who plays online casino. And it also advisable to look at the guidelines of the the game as iy may change with time. This will help you not to default as there are penalties to any defaulter of the rules.

What the OP have said is not merely for the newbies only but for all the gamblers here in this forum because even the old gamblers still make some mistake and likely skip the ToS/T&C and even FAQ because of that mindset that maybe this platform is not that different to the other one when in-fact there's a huge chance that the other platform have their own set of rules that is really different to the other one.

It's not just costly gambling mistakes for the newbies but for also the regular gamblers, and this thread that is made by the OP shall be a reminder to all of us.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 15, 2023, 07:01:41 AM

Most people already knew what is stated in the TOS, yet they still choose to break it because they want to take advantage of the promotions and bonuses. This is common and rampant in sign up bonuses and free spins wherein players create multiple accounts just to get those perks for newbies when they aren't newbies and it's already stated that it is prohibited to create multiple accounts. Sometimes, the people who even rant are those offenders. Which is really courageous of them since they had the guts to even complain of the suspension or banning of their accounts, knowing it to themselves they did unusual activities which lead to their account being compromised.

To cut it short, some people are not ignorant or stupid, rather they just want to make the most out of something they saw worth profiting.

Those people that think no one would know that they've violated the terms and conditions and still start a rant only to take advantage of the fact that their accounts were banned or funds confiscated are basically unethical. They know that they are wrong but they won't admit it and keep trying to get something that doesn't even belong to them in the first place.

They are not ignorant, but they do it with the purpose of maybe getting out clean and get the bonuses that they tried to cheat and have, little they know is that the platform has all their records.

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While I agree with you and those kind of situations happen more than we are aware of. I want to point out to the fact most of the people do not read any of the terms of service of ANY of the web pages and applications we have gotten on our phones and computers.

I believe it has become something which is actively used by shady companies to turn the balance against us, in the case we end up being a bother to them, in their eyes. Roll Eyes

Quote from: ryzaadit on March 15, 2023, 03:50:20 PM

I give people advice, you don't need to read the whole term & condition.
- Go to T&C
- User search function (CTRL + F)
- Find A Topic with Keyword (KYC & Withdraw)

These two topic is important, why? for KYC to know did casino asking some KYC or not (but most the time, there always have some word "they can ask you KYC in some case). Withdraw to know the limit withdraw.

Avoid a small limit withdraw without KYC. You can finish these under 2-3 mins.

that is a very good advice there. It is something I have done in the past to check the terms and conditions of wallets and exchanges.
Hopefully, most newbies know about the ctrl+f function.

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I give people advice, you don't need to read the whole term & condition.
- Go to T&C
- User search function (CTRL + F)
- Find A Topic with Keyword (KYC & Withdraw)

These two topic is important, why? for KYC to know did casino asking some KYC or not (but most the time, there always have some word "they can ask you KYC in some case). Withdraw to know the limit withdraw.

Avoid a small limit withdraw without KYC. You can finish these under 2-3 mins.

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Long terms of service documents that span over tens or hundreds of pages are how casinos con their players with unfair rules and conditions. Just like how other day to day/online services use the terms of service to infiltrate, store and sell your data without you knowing. You can argue that it is up to the player to read these documents in full, I would argue that a lot of players trust that the terms of service is a document that includes fair conditions, instead of what it usually is (being, a trap).

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I haven't seen anyone complain about not reading the FAQs and missing out on a lot of things that were supposed to be put in plain sight, you may be talking about ToS and Privacy Statements as some people in this post have pointed out. To that I will say it's also intentionally misleading how these Terms of Conditions and Terms of Service agreements are being written. All in convoluting and unintelligible corporate lingo, plus walls of text that only ever say one thing, this is done in order to have the person press the agree button immediately and have them not think about it anymore. If there's only a legislation that would enforce companies and bookies in this case to make their contracts more readable, that's really going to make a change.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

But casinos do in fact do that, if you want to create an account at any casino you are going to find out that when you are introducing your username and your password you will see a checkbox which says that you need to accept their TOS before registering, and in some of them you cannot even check that box until you scroll past all the text, so casinos actually encourage their gamblers to read their TOS, it is just that people refuse to do it.

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Quote from: Cling18 on March 15, 2023, 12:16:17 PM

Quote from: uneng on March 15, 2023, 11:54:15 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 14, 2023, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

I've been gambling in an online website for some time already, and TBH, I didn't bother to visit their Terms and Conditions, or FAQ's whatever it is. Even I'm a newbie, I didn't visit or read this one, and I'm pretty sure that the newbies are doing the same.

This quote isn't applied only for the newbies, but also for the gamblers who are gambling on their website for a long time. I mean I'm pretty sure that there are some long time gamblers out there who didn't even have a time to read their rules and regulations. What gamblers are thinking more is the potential profits that they can make rather than the security or the TOS of the website, and when the worst thing happens with them, they will post a scam accusation here, or they will rant somewhere else, and will share their story.

At the end of the day, this quote still isn't helpful for newbies if they don't know how to control themselves whenever they're gambling.

Most gamblers don't read it anyway. Of course it's advised to read all the rules before depositing money, but realistically it's not feasible for most gamblers to read a long text of terms and services on every platforms they have an account. I think an alternative solution would be to search directly for key points in particular inside the rules, especially regards countries' restrictions, number of accounts per IP, VPN usage, and account inactivity.

That's what I always do before agreeing to the casino's tos upon registration. It will take time to read long terms of services texts so it will be better to go on straight to the key points because most of their context only pertains to common rules that we are already aware of. Just focus on the usual questions that we want to be answered or we can check their FAQS for easier research. What important are we know what to follow and we know what we shouldn't do so our whole gambling experience will not be ruined.

Sometimes I simply go to the google and search for the rule regards a casino in particular I'm interested and doubtful about. For an example: does casino x accept users from country y? Does casino x allow users to use VPN? Then different sites will appear, including the official page of the casino I'm looking for and also bitcointalk forum threads. Next time I'm going to try doing this through ChatGPT. Cheesy

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

Yeah I’ve noticed a good bit of this going on as well. Of course reading the FAQs is an important rule for anyone joining an online casino, but do some basic google searching as well. Check and see how the reputation of the Casino is. If there’s issues and nonsense for newbies to have to deal with, then you’ll most likely see that all over google on forums and what not talking about it. Problem is people are lazy and rarely take the time to do things like this.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

Every legit casino will have a check box for terms and conditions or a note by clicking you accept all the terms and conditions when registeration itself so its our ignorance and casinos should not be blamed for such things.

I would like to mention one of the costliest mistake which can happen to anyone by unknowingly which is clicked the max wrongly instead of bet which will bet whatever amount left in our wallet and if we lose that bet then its a huge loss.

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Quote from: uneng on March 15, 2023, 11:54:15 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 14, 2023, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

I've been gambling in an online website for some time already, and TBH, I didn't bother to visit their Terms and Conditions, or FAQ's whatever it is. Even I'm a newbie, I didn't visit or read this one, and I'm pretty sure that the newbies are doing the same.

This quote isn't applied only for the newbies, but also for the gamblers who are gambling on their website for a long time. I mean I'm pretty sure that there are some long time gamblers out there who didn't even have a time to read their rules and regulations. What gamblers are thinking more is the potential profits that they can make rather than the security or the TOS of the website, and when the worst thing happens with them, they will post a scam accusation here, or they will rant somewhere else, and will share their story.

At the end of the day, this quote still isn't helpful for newbies if they don't know how to control themselves whenever they're gambling.

Most gamblers don't read it anyway. Of course it's advised to read all the rules before depositing money, but realistically it's not feasible for most gamblers to read a long text of terms and services on every platforms they have an account. I think an alternative solution would be to search directly for key points in particular inside the rules, especially regards countries' restrictions, number of accounts per IP, VPN usage, and account inactivity.

That's what I always do before agreeing to the casino's tos upon registration. It will take time to read long terms of services texts so it will be better to go on straight to the key points because most of their context only pertains to common rules that we are already aware of. Just focus on the usual questions that we want to be answered or we can check their FAQS for easier research. What important are we know what to follow and we know what we shouldn't do so our whole gambling experience will not be ruined.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 14, 2023, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

I've been gambling in an online website for some time already, and TBH, I didn't bother to visit their Terms and Conditions, or FAQ's whatever it is. Even I'm a newbie, I didn't visit or read this one, and I'm pretty sure that the newbies are doing the same.

This quote isn't applied only for the newbies, but also for the gamblers who are gambling on their website for a long time. I mean I'm pretty sure that there are some long time gamblers out there who didn't even have a time to read their rules and regulations. What gamblers are thinking more is the potential profits that they can make rather than the security or the TOS of the website, and when the worst thing happens with them, they will post a scam accusation here, or they will rant somewhere else, and will share their story.

At the end of the day, this quote still isn't helpful for newbies if they don't know how to control themselves whenever they're gambling.

Most gamblers don't read it anyway. Of course it's advised to read all the rules before depositing money, but realistically it's not feasible for most gamblers to read a long text of terms and services on every platforms they have an account. I think an alternative solution would be to search directly for key points in particular inside the rules, especially regards countries restrictions, number of accounts per IP, VPN usage, and account inactivity.

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It is obvious that one of the reasons newbies make huge mistakes in an online casino is because they neglect the do and don't of the game. Forgetting that there must be a set rules for every gambler. The first thing any gambler should do is to go though the
Not just the newbies but also to everyone who plays online casino. And it also advisable to look at the guidelines of the the game as iy may change with time. This will help you not to default as there are penalties to any defaulter of the rules.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

Every gambler should fully understand what he gets into before he deposits real money at a casino. The first step would be to learn about the games we want to play. We can find out or winning chance and the house edge with a quick Google search for any game. Most of the casinoe use very similar games, so we can compare across different platforms. Just because we don't understand something won't save us from losing our money. Also many casinos offer play money to test their games before using our own money. The next step is to read the terms and conditions of the casino where we want to play. Especially when we want use special promotions it's important to read all the details, otherwise me might try to withdraw money before we are even eligible for it.

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I know what you mean where most of the newbies who gambled in an online casino is not following the casino's rules and regulations or terms and conditions which could lead them getting banned or never getting their winnings if won. When a person create an account in a casino that person is required to check it which is toknow the reason why people should checked it. Not reading the terms and conditions would lead to that situation or the reason why newbies mameya mistake.

That's because most beginners don't check the casino rules and register directly with the casino. Even though this is important for those who are still beginners so that they slowly learn to understand the rules and don't get into trouble later, and if they already know the rules, they can play calmly and maybe follow the promos in the casino properly. And when they want to withdraw their winnings, it won't be a problem because they haven't violated any casino rules. So no more people complaining that the casino is cheating them because they can't withdraw their winnings.

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Quote from: Wexnident on March 14, 2023, 09:16:40 AM

I'd actually say at some sense casinos are at fault (some of them) since they sometimes intentionally put put notices like these in obscure places. I do understand that users need to read the TOS before anything else, but a friendly reminder can go a long way, say before your first time deposits or first time games.

I'd also blame the majority of the internet for this,. They pretty much made your average user to not think much of rules, especially on websites. Can't blame them though, TOS are sometimes so unintuitive that it's just an absolute pain to read, especially if English wasn't your first language.

Why is the internet to be blamed for users who don't bother reading rules or terms and conditions? I don't think that any service or website that offers something that involved monetary value doesn't encourage or ask its consumers to read its rules or terms and conditions. In fact, online services encourage reading terms and services more than traditional service providers.

I think only a user is to be blamed if they don't read the terms and conditions and then get stuck in a situation that wouldn't even be if they had read them in the first place.

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Quote from: Outhue on March 13, 2023, 02:39:37 AM

The most popular mistake that newbies make with online casinos is avoiding the rules and regulations, not all online casinos will put up a warning sign on their first page and say 👇

"New users are welcome, please read our rules and regulation before making your first deposits"

You have to look for the website FAQ and go through it first, I have seen some newbies that avoid doing this has they ended up shooting themselves in the foot.

Some even start spreading FUD on the forum about these gambling platforms that did them wrong, not knowing that they are the ones at fault, they are guilty because they don't read the rules and regulations.

They also forgot to read the gambling policy, it is annoying when you see gambling with legal documents page that states their terms and condition but I think the best thing any newbie to any gambling will do is to go through that documents, to avoid unnecessary stories. Most often than not, those problem newbies usually encounter with Casino is because they failed to read simple instructions like avoidance of multiple accounts, use of VPN, and doing KYC. All these agreements are written there for players to see but the general orientation they lack is they don't read these documents and voice out later that they are been cheated.

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Quote from: Nheer on March 15, 2023, 01:57:27 AM

This is a habit that new players have, and it's not only in casinos or gambling I have no idea what people typically think when they skip reading the rules and regulations, which is why it usually doesn't work out well and you see them breaking the rules or losing money. Because they neglected to read the forum rules, most newcomers end up being banned from the community. It's either ignorance or negligence.

Some are not ignorance or negligence, some people only want to take advantage of some promotional offers, especially the newcomer 100% deposit reward, some people do not use it to joke and they can like to create more account to collect more offers for deposit because the offers are limited to certain amount of money in some gambling sites. The last gambling site I opened recently to take advantage of the offer, it was limited to $133.

Some people are from banned country but they want to gamble and if they use some of the gambling sites, they may be able to gamble, but if they win, the gambling site will check for all these and if found to be playing from a restricted country or having multiple accounts, they will not let him be able to withdraw his money and also ban him from using their gambling site.

In these scenario above, you can see how some people may know the terms of service but just want to be smart.

This has a point.

Most people already knew what is stated in the TOS, yet they still choose to break it because they want to take advantage of the promotions and bonuses. This is common and rampant in sign up bonuses and free spins wherein players create multiple accounts just to get those perks for newbies when they aren't newbies and it's already stated that it is prohibited to create multiple accounts. Sometimes, the people who even rant are those offenders. Which is really courageous of them since they had the guts to even complain of the suspension or banning of their accounts, knowing it to themselves they did unusual activities which lead to their account being compromised.

To cut it short, some people are not ignorant or stupid, rather they just want to make the most out of something they saw worth profiting.

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I personally can relate with this very senerio because I already feel very guilty of this very act because it seems most of the gamblers always ignore reading the terms and conditions of most platforms and suddenly turn up with allegations based on their assumption tarnishing the names and reputations of a casino that has worked so hard to earn such.

Some other players don't really fluant all this rules because of ignorance but rather because of selfishness and greed and just as other users said, most times people want to claim some promotional offers and bonuses and just go straight to making deposit without proper investigatio.

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Quote from: Nheer on March 15, 2023, 01:57:27 AM

This is a habit that new players have, and it's not only in casinos or gambling I have no idea what people typically think when they skip reading the rules and regulations, which is why it usually doesn't work out well and you see them breaking the rules or losing money. Because they neglected to read the forum rules, most newcomers end up being banned from the community. It's either ignorance or negligence.

Some are not ignorance or negligence, some people only want to take advantage of some promotional offers, especially the newcomer 100% deposit reward, some people do not use it to joke and they can like to create more account to collect more offers for deposit because the offers are limited to certain amount of money in some gambling sites. The last gambling site I opened recently to take advantage of the offer, it was limited to $133.

Some people are from banned country but they want to gamble and if they use some of the gambling sites, they may be able to gamble, but if they win, the gambling site will check for all these and if found to be playing from a restricted country or having multiple accounts, they will not let him be able to withdraw his money and also ban him from using their gambling site.

In these scenario above, you can see how some people may know the terms of service but just want to be smart.

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