Topic: A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. - page 3. (Read 1541 times)

More of my posts have been deleted over night without any user name being given as to the *cough* person behind it.  More retaliation no doubt from the un-named forum mods who are too afraid to put their name to their work.

Definitely untrustworthy behaviour.


I may also have hit upon why they are deleting my posts weeks, months and even years later.  As petty as it sounds they appear to be manipulating my score on the BPIP.  More information as it comes in.

It is quite a simple issue

* Frodo is doing what he thinks is best by punishing those that he feels are posting only for financial gain

* The op is upset that his hard work was deleted on the above grounds, although those suspicions of Frodo were correct.

* others seemingly backing Frodo that motivation is a factor and that it is " the wrong motivation" for posting


The interests of the forum should be the priority.

If people want to class this forum as a source of employment and put huge effort in to ensure their posts are of the very highest value that when reviewed afford them the very best chances of chipmixer riches. Then that is not negative for the forum essential.
Well until the money drys up and all those valuable posters vanish I guess.


It is best for the forum that the campaign managers are capable of discering the most valuable posters and the same for mods. Motivation is largely irrelevant to the forum to create an optimal environment.

I fully support Frodo coopers view that posting purely for financial gain is mercenary and may suggest such posters are not real enthusiasts of contributing essentially to the design , implementation and adoption of decntralized fruitless projects which is kind of annoying they are taking revenue that real enthusiasts could be sharing.

For now the best thing a mod could do to help with that would be continually scamming members of chipmixer and other highly paid campaigns post history rigorously making sure that they are only taking payment for truely high quality posts.

There are members on chipmixer whom have freely admitted their greatest achievement after years of membership here is getting accepted to a highly paid sig campaign. This same chipmixer spammer was caught out sneakily using a puppet account to publish racist sig spans at the highest sig rates that he could. He was actually caught out jumping from one sig to another because the rate of pay was slightly more.

I'm sure he will be here to lecture that financially motivated posting is wrong and should be punished.

Chipmixer should be rotated through the best posters and mods should be ensuring their clear financially motivated posting is not driving them to clutter the forum with low value pollution.

If course because some mods are working for chipmixer and other highly paid sig campaigns you have a clear conflict if interests.

TLDR. Frodo has the correct idea but best to go for posts that provide demonstrably less value. This one can be argued provided real value to the forum regardless of the clear financially driven motivation to post.

I suspect a huge proportion of chipmixer posters make posts purely to get another 6 or 8 bucks.

So mods could certainly help ensure they are publishing posts of real value for their btc.

That's actually a good idea. Chipmixer posts that have no value thread should be started so mods can easily locate them. Report the most deleted chipmixer nonsense earn chipmixer rev they save from paying for valueless financially motivated noise. Double credits for reporting a family member or alt.

Perhaps if those claiming financially motivated posting is wrong removed their own sigs we could all feel less nauseous

You misspelled my username twice  .

Anyway, I would like to see you quote the post where I wrote "it is impossible to change boards" or "will be impossible for someone to start posting in the mining without noticing".

I don't think you are making that up, I would love to believe that it's simply a misunderstanding due to linguistic barriers, I have literally said


if you know what mining is and enjoy it, but for some reason, you have not been posting there, and out of a sudden for whatever reason, you start to be active in the mining board, that is completely fine, as long as you have the knowledge needed as well as the desire to actually post there. If you don't have both, it will be so obvious that you are in for financial gains, the mining board was just an example, I was not accusing you or anyone else of skewing, it was an advice to everyone who is willing to actually post in boards they know nothing about just to get accepted in X signature campaign.

If I learn Chinese and start to post there regardless of the fact that I have probably never posted there, I see nothing wrong with that, but if I use google translation to post in Chinese Local Board just to get accepted in Jihan Wu's signature campaign then that is terrible.

You really shouldn't even try to prove me wrong, because I was not challenging you, I was only trying to help you!

Having said that, I don't agree to the deletion of your posts, as far as I see, they are mining-related and are not off-topic (unless I am missing something), however, anyone who knows the mining board knows that frodocooper is pretty strict, probably the most strict moderator around, I myself get some of my posts deleted, I do get angry sometimes, but if I ' hypothetically' was the one who decides on keeping or removing him from the mining board, I will most certainly keep him as a moderator, he does a tremendous amount of quality work to the mining board, a few mistakes here and there do not wipe the efforts he puts and the work he does.

You don't get it. Suchmoon is the gatekeeper who determines who can post in what subforums, who can add people to their trust lists, and who can abuse the trust system freely. Kneel before them or they will call their clown car friends. You have a nice account there, it would be a shame if some one were to give you a bunch of frivolous negative ratings.

You didn't just ask, you said that you actually started posting on certain boards, presumably to improve your chances to get accepted into the campaign.


I don't know what else I can tell you other than "agree to disagree". If you don't see anything wrong with this then I don't think I have any arguments to affect your opinion.

I have only asked if there are any special needs, is this wrong?

If actually, they would need more posts in any section which suites me, but I don't write there much because of the limited time we all have, it would be a great piece of information, not only for me but for many members who want to get a spot there.

I don't understand why my question is such a big problem? Many signature campaigns literally ask members to post 10 or 20 posts/week in Gambling or somewhere else, how different is that?
Are they posting there because they like it? Of course not? Are they signature spammers? In my opinion, only if their posts are spam and any other reasons shouldn't be important for a moderator.

I can quote here multiple comments from members who are complaining that they have to write in some special sections only because of the signature, why nobody targets them?
In my opinion, because it is not what the moderator should focus on. Quality, on topic, forum rules, add to the discussion, etc., this is what makes post good or not, not the other motives whatever they are.


Of course, I would and I have posted even more without any signature in the past.

I am posting a lot and sometimes I have to stop myself from posting even more, so really signature is for me only some extra money and why not to take it if I am here on the forum constantly every day.

You are also in the Chipmixer campaign, are you a worse poster because of that? Would you post differently if you would be not enrolled?

Would you post the way you post if you didn't carry a signature and/or didn't want to apply for the Chipmixer campaign? Based on this:


... and on some of your other comments - the answer seems to be "no". I think that's the wrong approach. Posting for the "needs" of a campaign is wrong.

Now you say that I express myself incoherently, exactly that is the reason why I have written such a long post and answered all questions, to not leave any room for self-interpretation anymore.

I truly don't know how you could understand me wrongly? I have stated many times, that I never have and never will start to post on any board if I would not have enough knowledge and experience.

I only asked for advice, as I did already before and because I was already writing much, I could easily spread this to many more boards. I truly don't know what is hard here to understand?

I will not quote these posts one more time here to not make this answer "long-winded" again, but you can easily find them back in Chipmexer thread and read one more time with little more understanding, would be great if your fillings could be neutral when/if you do this and not against me (as always), maybe this will open your eyes little wider sometimes.

If by doing nothing you mean not creating threads to complain about a couple of deleted posts - yes, that's exactly what I would do. I don't recall if I ever complained about deleted posts - perhaps in my early days on Bitcointalk when I had a poor grasp of forum rules. Today I'd just move on and try to learn from it. That's "something" to me but apparently "nothing" to you.

As for signature spamming - your comments in the Chipmixer thread made it sound like you would try to post in certain boards to make yourself eligible for the campaign. I wasn't the only one to read it that way. So you're either expressing yourself incoherently or you have the wrong motivation.


Ok then

And I haven't either, but I knew it has nothing to do with the quality of my posts or forum rules, only somebody is targeting me after my posts in Chipmixer and I was fully right.

So tell me, if somebody will remove your posts on purpose, then you will do nothing, especially, when additionally he will accuse you to be a signature spammer with no proof at all?


My preferred pad is escalation? Because I answered to all sucked from finger accusations?


Moderator abusing his power of course.

Discuss what exactly? I expressed my opinion. Feel free to ignore it. I wouldn't flip out after two deleted posts. If I was really interested in the subject I'd stick around to see what I can contribute, otherwise I'd move on. Your preferred path seems to be escalation - complain to the boss then.

Don't understand you really.

Have you seen the mining board lately? I was able to read all active threads in this section in 1 hour before I have posted there.

I really don't know what I have to read there a couple of months, are you serious? And why I have to do this? Am I a newbie here or something? Is this new requirement before posting in a new board?

So, that doesn't matter that moderator deletes posts because he assumed after reading two of my posts that I am signature spammer? Where are these spammy posts of mine, show me one?

I wonder why you don't discuss this issue further?

Give it up Suchmoon - no one here is buying what you're peddling.

I did. It's hard for me to judge the context but I think I wouldn't have reported those posts. However frodocooper is known to have a heavy hand thus my advice to start simple, to gauge what the "vibe" of the board is and what is tolerated and what is not. Maybe just read the board for a couple of months before attempting to post there.


I don't think your long-winded reply is going to improve anything. There is essentially one accusation - frodo appears to think that you're a signature spammer, and posting a massive reply to that seems counterproductive.

If you still think he's wrong about those posts you should probably contact theymos - he has reversed some moderator decisions in the past.

Have you seen these deleted posts? Please look at the OP.


If I don't answer every single question when somebody is accusing me, then I hear that I should do it. When I answer all accusations one by one to not miss anything, then it is too much.

This is not the first time I am doing this and is always not good. There is no easy way to answer so many accusations and I think you should focus on that.


I know it is but this does not change the narrative, doesn't it?

Very well said - thank you for having started this thread to highlight this issue that, as it turns out, is not just limited to your and my posts.

Dude... it's a joke. Again, you're trying way way way too hard. If you want to establish yourself in a new board - assuming you have a genuine interest to contribute there - start simple. Answer questions that you know answers to. Ask questions that you actually want to get answers for. Participate in discussions. Don't smother other users with walls of text.

I thought so, that my posts were deleted because of my latest posts in the Chipmixer campaign and that somebody is doing this for a purpose and don't take the normal measures like posts quality, usability, etc.

For me itis obvious abuse of power by a moderator.

How could I write these posts to qualify in Chipmixer, if I already was not accepted and only talked with DS about the reasons for my removal?

Additionally, I stated in my posts that even if I would be enrolled, I would not take this place because it will be unfair!!!


To be honest I know that I will be never enrolled in the Chipmixer campaign and that is why I am not afraid to ask openly if I have questions or doubts. If there will be a place for me then I would be already enrolled at one of my many failed attempts during all these years. So to now implying me that I have written two posts on the mining board because of Chipmixer campaign is just something I can't believe.

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Because you are a moderator from very short time and when I have posted in mining you haven't even by a member of this forum.

Few of my posts from 2014:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4893296
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4892803
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4888917


Again not true.

This quoted response of mine refers to my talk with DarkStar after last recruitment to Chipmixer (not actual) which was some time ago and I already was posting for a long time in the Gambling and few other sections because DS advised me to post on more boards when we have talked in PMs and on my local section about reasons for my rejection very long time ago and that was exactly what I was referring to.

This has nothing to do with my actual 2 posts in the mining section and already happened a very long time ago.

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Of course, you took my words out of the context. All I wanted to say was that hours of our writing (which is literally work) are deleted without any possibility to retrieve it. That's all!!!

Even for a single second, I haven't thought about work per se, so all the next conclusions which you bring up after this statement are fully made up and sucked again from a finger, but let's go further with this.

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I just can't believe what I am reading here. It is forbidden to apply for signature campaigns or bounty on this forum?

What is wrong with the GOLD project? If there is anything wrong you should start a scam accusation thread or put a flag on them.

The majority of high-rank members are enrolled in many bounties and signature campaigns, so this above statement suites almost all members of this forum.

Now, I only want to say, that I never told that this forum is as work for me, but other high-rank members did it in the past, what is funny in this same Chipmixer thread just a couple of pages back and I haven't seen any problem because of this.

I thought very long if I should add this quote here, but to prove my words I will have to.


Of course, I don't have any problems with Hilariousandco's statement, but as we can see many even established members (global mods) see this opportunity as work and until this is not wwzsocki everything is ok, despite I never said something like this in the first place.




Again totally out of context and that is why I would not elaborate on this.


Again pure insinuations without any proof or at least some reasoning. I am here on this forum for so long and was enrolled in so many campaigns, but never thought about them or this forum as of work. These are your private conclusions after reading one or two of my posts in the Chipmixer campaign, which tells nothing about my 7 years here. And to be honest you are the only one who is working here in the first place.


Again the same BS about money, work, bounties and in the end even threats that "...Unless wwzsocki is deemed to exhibit a genuine interest in bitcoin mining...", so I understand that from now moderator Frodocooper will decide if can write in mining section and only if he believes that I stopped to work on the forum and have genuine interest in mining (whatever that means?).

I can't understand something here, please explain to me what I am missing? It is clear that we have an abuse of mod power here, or not?
It should be the post quality what matters, despite all this BS about work and incentive, that it is on topic, merited, high quality, add to the subject, not against forum rules, etc. and both of my posts fulfill all these requirements.

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As always to be fully honest with the community I will prove that I haven't posted in the mining section, not because of signature campaign, incentive, work or anything else that Frodocooper stated in his reasoning.

I just wanted to prove that I am right and somebody is wrong and thought it will be great to visit the mining board because I wasn't there for a while, that's it.

When I was looking for help with deleted posts I talked with Bitcointalk members I know on Telegram and one of them asked me 28 January:



Translation:



So no incentive, no work, no nothing, only wanted to prove that I am right, that anybody can start to post in a new section or come back to old one if he has enough knowledge, experience and post are good enough. Even for a second, I wasn't thinking about work, Chipmixer campaign, incentive or any other thrown on me accusation by Frodocooper , who deleted my posts and abused his moderator power in my opinion.

I think your frustration at those posting exclusively to make money from sigs is warranted.

His posts appeared reasonable quality though.

I would scan the post histories of all chipmixer / any other highly paid sig campaigns run by hhampuz yahoo and start deleting any posts that do not provide objective value.

Most of chipmixer spammers never produce original thought provoking credible / useful / valuable content. One of them will generally voice some opinion on another members ' behavior' and the rest jump upon an opportunity to parrot the same thing 40x in slightly different words.

He seems to be a more worthy chipmixer champ than quite a few others being paid to fill the forum with worthless noise.

Darkstar does not have transparent criteria for selection other than the gameable subjective metrics those in / are eligible for chipmixer happen to control

Go take a look through chipmixer spammers post histories to confirm. Delete anything that looks it is only there for the 6 bucks spam reward.

You will find a ton of far less valuable garbage. Mostly just opinions on petty squabbles.

We need more mods that ensure members are only paid for presenting valuable content.

I think objecting to people viewing this forum as a posting cash cow is likely about 8 years too late.

I don't think it is essentially damaging to the forum for people to view it as a job if they bring real value. It is far worse to let people game the system so they get paid for filling the board with valueless nonsense.  

Rather than preventing him, lobby darkstar to remove members who's post histories you analyse and discover are filled with valueless junk.

I agree it would be nice for people to post naturally and without consideration of the money they can squeeze out of this board. That is not the world in which we live.

Nice to see some not wearing signatures full time.

Really darkstar should rotate positions anyway.

  to illustrate an issue of deletion of a post that harms mining board would be if op had posted.  in alt coin mining





this info is of real value to any miner looking to mine with a risen 9 3900x

the info is good there is no effort to get referral money if you buy.

it is just a way to get a discounted ryzen 9 3900x cpu.

no one that wants that cpu cares if the poster made 20 USD in btc from a signature campaign.

It is work only done for op to make money from the signature campaign but and a big but the post has real money saving value to a miner.

This is why being a mod is really hard.  In the case of the post above the mod needs to know usa prices and that the info will save a miner 50 to 100 usd.  he must also know it is not a sneak referral link .  it is not.

if it is a clean post designed to help miners like the one above is it should stand who cares if the poster earned some coin from signature campaign.

It makes a mod's job hard to do correctly.

 I am not a fan of signature campaign's.
 I ended my signature years ago.

I still know  Signature's are legal if a poster gives good info.

So deleting it does not help others.

Now as too the op giving a good post or 2 I had trouble reading the print but it did look okay.

I think frodocooper could have left it up.