Topic: A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. - page 5. (Read 1546 times)

Do mods actually have the power to deprive the user of the usual notification by PM?
I have noted some examples of moderation that are clearly not impartial verging upon stalking and vindictive.

The problem is the conflict of interests where moderators are paid by members here on this forum. It may not be immediately obvious to the poster that their post conflicts with the interests of a member that a moderator needs to keep happy. Hence, why the stats I mention, would be useful to track and analyse.

Hilarious and Co is extreme. Theymos is aware, but as with other abusers of the system. He will allow members to suffer abuse if he thinks the abuse is isolated to out-spoken or less popular members. This may explain your own treatment.

As ever, push for transparency and objective standards. Those are the only things that will protect you if you deserve to be protected long term.

While there is a gross lack of clear objective standards for red tags, post deletes etc the abuse and manipulation will never be prevented.

There Will also always be a genuine wide ranging difference of opinion among the mods to which posts are eligible for delete. That wide range could be drastically narrowed with clearer guidelines.

Although this happens very rarely that a good post or reply is deleted by mistake, I think a proper or close reason would be good. One of my post was deleted by moderator and I still do not know what the reason is.
As like said in previous post, dropdown menu with some most common case would be good edition.

Cyrus and hilariousandco u=164822 / hilariousetc u=397737 / hilarious* u=1424594 are the main offenders - randomly deleting post weeks and even months/years later - usually in my own threads that I have started (hence the replies are on topic).

Untrustworthy behaviour especially when they then gloat they have done it.

(and most of the time those posts don't show up in a "post deleted" message either)

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@theymos sits back and does nothing to curb their behaviour.

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OP: My advice is to archive as you go.  Don't rely on any "auto" archiving of your posts, it's always best to archive your own work.

The name of the mod deleting should be transparent.  If that is not going to happen you should be shown a percentage of deleted posts that have executed from each mod.

If mods are found to be bias or vindictive then they must be replaced. I have witnessed some seriously concerning behaviors raised and the evidence was incredibly robust.

The same for reporters, you should see a percentage of reports that originate from each member.

Reporters themselves should see a percentage of marked bad etc for each mod.

If you notice one mod deleting all of your posts and marking your reports bad. You would need to have that investigated.

This would be an easy feature to implement.

An OP cannot override forum rules.  Referral links are garbage spam - you don't stand behind the link - you only post it to get $.

This probably isn't a good idea, since it would undoubtedly cause a flooding of moderators' inboxes with requests for the same information and/or bitching about post deletion(s). 

It really wouldn't be a horrible idea if you at least got a reason why your post was deleted in the PM you get sent.  I'm not sure why that seems to be such a big deal, but apparently it is because this has been suggested before, multiple times, and yet nothing ever comes of it.  And it isn't like people think it's a stupid idea and it gets shot down.  I also don't think it would probably take a lot of work to implement (though I'm far from certain about that).

On the other hand, when I get posts deleted and get a PM from the forum I'm usually aware of the reason--it's either being off-topic or straight up trolling someone.  Thus you won't find me complaining about it.  But an informative post like the one OP showed?  Yeah, those probably shouldn't get deleted without a good reason.

This is true  and why sometimes  I do argue with frodocooper about a deletion of a post.

More often then not I do understand the deletions I get.

More often then not  it is when I answer a post that is  borderline either clever spam spam or legit question.

Frodocooper will  delete the question and my answer.

I know why he did it and don't mind.

It has been suggested before that the moderators get an optional drop down menu with the most common reasons for removal as well as the ability to make a comment. I think this would be a good addition. After all, if there is not feedback why something is removed, how can people correct their behavior if they aren't even told what the problem is? This is a common criticism on platforms like Facefuck, Googlag, and Twatter. People often want to comply but have no idea what they need to change to comply.

As I remember, mod of Mining board is very strictly and delete lot of decent posts there. I don't see any reasons why your posts were deleted. But in other boards, good posts aren't usually get deleted without any reason.
But I agree with your points. Especially about giving link to topic where your post was deleted. Sometimes It's difficult to understand reason why post was deleted without seing whole context.
But I don't agree that name of moderator who deleted post should be displayed. It should stay anonymous. Even now we have complaints from some users that mod is biased against them. Displaying name would bring not needed drama here.
And showing reason why post was deleted would be usedul probably, but it would add extra work for mods.

Hmm, I wished I could find back that thread but it has already been nuked.

No I think UserU is right.
According to mprep himself it's ok to post referral links in this situation.
That is to say, only the "spam" of referral codes is forbidden.

I think the notification PM should include a link to the thread it was removed from and staff should also be able to give a comment about why it was deleted but that should still be anonymous. Having the mods name on it will just lead to constant hassle and pestering and demanding answers as to why something was removed. The amount of PMs I've received from users who just assumed it was me who removed their post because my name is on that sub is ridiculous and they're usually hostile more often than not and that would get worse if it become public who removed what and people would start to take it personally. If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

Of course, I understand that the suggestion about providing mods usernames will be the most discussed one, but I have to mention that I have seen this already implemented on another forum, where I am a moderator and there were no problems because of this for mods.

Even if there were any attempts to get revenge on mods involved in deleting posts from the spammers' gang, it was immediately detected and ended with a ban for a big group of abusers.

I think mods don't have to be afraid because they stand really strong on this forum and until there is nothing wrong with the work they provide there should be no harm at all for them, but if somebody makes too many mistakes (I don't want to say that is doing this for purpose), then maybe he shouldn't be a moderator in the first place and this will be a perfect way to sift the wrong grain?

Further, I understand that there could be more PMs sent with stupid questions from spammers whos posts were deleted for good reason, but this can happen only once because we have the IGNORE function, so overwhelming amounts of additional work could be easily minimized. Additionally, if usernames would be provided, then there could be additional forum rules implemented regarding the communication with moderators to avoid spam and unneeded work.

I will be happy also with such a solution for the reasoning of deletion:


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I still hope to hear an answer/reasoning from the moderator who deleted my posts.

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I agree with you and I will be happy with any implemented solution because it would be better than the actual state of things.

This is one of my problems in the past I think is the link, it should be provided, the messages sent is not enough to identify what post is deleted considering you have a lot of posts done daily. For sure it is going to be a big help putting the link of the thread or a screenshot since it is already deleted. Some annotations would also be great. I think the reason for deletion is I think it could be the most important for me. The reason is important if I have deleted thread so that I could avoid it getting my post deleted for the 2nd time since im aware of the reason.
However, putting the name of the moderator is not going to be necessary... I can't see any reason why it should be included.

Gotcha, I'll keep that in mind.

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM is okay.

If that's the case, then fair point.

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

"Some OP" can't just change forum rules in his topic. Referral spam isn't allowed, and asking for it is almost a guarantee to get spam.

Same here, I don't get it why some mods are happily removing some of my replies.

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

So I briefly introduced one.

The next day, boom! Deleted by moderator.