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legendary
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December 22, 2014, 10:52:56 PM
So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Supplied by whom?

Maybe we will create some kind of decentralized basic resource allocation network system, perhaps some rich people wont like it and try to shut it down/control/manipulate and they might have some success but the poor/others will defend it.  Just like how the internet is now.  


Why would rich people not like if, if they don't have to pay for it? Who will be in charge of resource allocation? And where will those resources originate from?

The internet is paid for by capitalist companies and its users. It's not a free resource, and not one provided by the government. It also costs very little, requiring a one time setup (lay cable, install router), instead of continuous hard labor to extract or produce resources.
kjj
legendary
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December 21, 2014, 06:28:09 PM
OK, at whose expense are you sauntering down the street, and how does this sauntering apply to " possibly enrich themselves at the expense of others"?
Still not the right question. At whose expense were resources just sitting on the shelves during the great depression, there being no purchasing power nor incentive to give those goods away?
OK, then who owns the raw materials, and who owns the bitcoins I control?
"Libertarians" being advocates of private property, isn't that a question for them to answer? Can one own a sequence of bytes?

Hmm.  No meaningful posts.  Only answers questions with more questions.  Has no point, no connection to the discussion other than quoting.  I think we've got a troll here.
legendary
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December 21, 2014, 06:03:58 AM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Then it will not be free, it will be subsided and if you need to give away 1Billion to a group, you will need to take by force 1.5Billion to an other group

Internet is "free" to receive information resources from, the internet doesnt have to take anything by force to provide this.

I say "free" cause obviously to connect to the internet you have to use some of own personal resources, but its very cheap overall and the highest quality of diverse information available.

legendary
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December 21, 2014, 05:57:05 AM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Supplied by whom?

Maybe we will create some kind of decentralized basic resource allocation network system, perhaps some rich people wont like it and try to shut it down/control/manipulate and they might have some success but the poor/others will defend it.  Just like how the internet is now.  
legendary
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December 21, 2014, 05:38:07 AM
You're asking the wrong question. At whose expense am I sauntering down the street? Depends on the situation.

OK, at whose expense are you sauntering down the street, and how does this sauntering apply to " possibly enrich themselves at the expense of others"?

Who owns the raw material? You control the private keys; you don't own them.

OK, then who owns the raw materials, and who owns the bitcoins I control?
legendary
Activity: 1680
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December 17, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
all capitalism is, is two people willing to trade resources [to possibly enrich themselves at the expense of others]

LOL! What? If I give you $40 for an old video card of yours, at who's expense is that trade made??? If you ask me to proofread a document of yours, and pay me $5 for my time, at who's expense is that trade made???


be those physical property, [which they don't really own]

Ok, then who owns it? Who owns the collection of comics, or art, or statues in my house? Who owns the bitcoins that I have the private key to?
legendary
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December 16, 2014, 07:34:34 PM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Then it will not be free, it will be subsided and if you need to give away 1Billion to a group, you will need to take by force 1.5Billion to an other group

Peace, freedom and nothing at all free. That's what we want.
hero member
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December 16, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Then it will not be free, it will be subsided and if you need to give away 1Billion to a group, you will need to take by force 1.5Billion to an other group
legendary
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December 16, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
The relative freedom you sense, if you live in a democracy, is real, just as it was in the time of the kings, if you happened to live under a benign sovereign. The chain is invisible, and you can even cut it altogether, but only if you choose to live in poverty and keep your knowledge to yourself.

legendary
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December 16, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
I do not see how people have such a hard time comprehending the true nature of capitalism as that of violence, greed & war


Some people just have no idea what capitalism is, so they think it has [not] something to do with violence, greed, and war. When actually, war is caused by governments, [who really are nothing but men in the business of rulership in the free market] , not capitalism [since an idea cannot physically war], and all capitalism is, is two people willing to trade resources [to enrich themselves at the possible expense of others], be those physical property, [which they don't really own], labor, or intellect. That's all. Capitalism is competition and cooperation, [kinda like your local hooded thugs]. Violence and war are the opposite of [an RBE, in contrast to] capitalism, perpetrated by governments and criminals.

There, fixed your bromide comment for you!

When you vote, you believe that it is your views and wants that are executed by the chosen leader. That is an illusion. What really happens, is that the power to use violence is inherited, but now not through blood, but through the popular will. The sovereign/serf relationship is the same as with the kings.

When you consume an olympic game or a free mobile phone, you think that the leader has given you the game, when it is really you who have given him those resources, and more.

You think that you choose to give up those resources for your own good, but when you learn that it is for him, you become an enemy of the state and you will be killed, proactively.


legendary
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December 16, 2014, 05:52:01 PM
I do not see how people have such a hard time comprehending the true nature of capitalism as that of violence, greed & war


Some people just have no idea what capitalism is, so they think it has something to do with violence, greed, and war. When actually, war is caused by governments, not capitalism, and all capitalism is, is two people willing to trade resources, be those physical property, labor, or intellect. That's all. Capitalism is competition and cooperation. Violence and war are the opposite of capitalism, perpetrated by governments and criminals.
hero member
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December 16, 2014, 03:12:07 AM
Suppose you have a mile of fence to paint.  According to a liberals, it is good for you if you start to use corporate tools you will be labeled as a corporatist.  The greedy corporation selling you stuff and making a profit.  You will be continually taxed to the point no matter what you do you are still spending the same amount of time to paint the fence.  Thus a resource based economy is an economy without the communists, democrats, socialists, progressives, marxists.  It is an individualistic based republic, anarchy, where capitalism is taken as good.

In summary, I just wanted the fence painted to watch the football game and go to Europe.  But, the liberals hurt me.
legendary
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December 16, 2014, 02:50:11 AM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.



Supplied by whom?
legendary
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December 14, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.

Depends on what you mean by everything and free.... i can see basic provisions being free in the not too distant future (100 years or whatever). Homeless people/diseased people/people committing petty crime are a pain in the ass for society & rich people cant exploit these types too easy.

So... For someone who wants to live the life of a monk for example.. if basic life standards are supplied then they have everything they need/want.

legendary
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I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project.
December 14, 2014, 01:11:44 AM
legendary
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I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project.
December 14, 2014, 12:59:20 AM
You need to be several levels of delusional as hell to think things can go on the way they are perpetually. We will sooner or later hit a zero point where automation is simply too advanced for a market to function as we know it, because the people needed to be productive will be less than the people needed to be productive. We are heading more and more towards some sort of universal wellfare for a lot of people that simply aren't needed, because as advanced species we recognize human rights and people that aren't born with the capabilities to be intellectually useful for an advanced society don't deserve to die thanks to a life of shitty resources because like I said before, you aren't lucky enough to be useful enough for that society to create wealth and get paid. This is creating most of the crime right now: If you need resources but you don't know how to create wealth, well you are going to take it by force because you need these resources. So if you get stabbed by some desperate person in need of basic resources, don't cry and next time consider if things would have been the same if he had basic requeriments to live a decent life guaranteed.
In 1000 years automation will be insanely advanced, we can now pop houses out of a 3D printer, in 1000 years automation will be insane, we can't even comprehend it now. Only engineers and technical people that can fix the machines if they malfunction will be needed. Most of the stuff that breaks is due programmed obsolence to boot. So get it through your skull: We are approaching a serious zero point within our current system. It may take 100, 1000 years, but it will happen, because we are headed towards it and technical progress only drivers us closer to it.

And lol at needing competition for BASIC RESOURCES to create interesting things. How dumb is that? Do you thing Tesla, Einstein, Bach, DaVinci and so on, where interested on their sciences/art because of that? or because they wanted a lot of wealth? get some perspective there. The notion of how if everyone had their basics needs needed no one would come up with more innovation is one of the dumbest theories of all time. We will always be under treats if you still want to maintain that theory, we are on constant treats of illneses, or even the sun eventually exploding. Our future is in space, colonizing other planets. If everyone had their basic needs meet tomorrow, there would still be people inspired to create good art and there would be people inspired to research and discover unknown things. Only a delusional out-of-touch person would think otherwise.

This guy knows what's up. I doubt it would take 100 years to reach such a state given the rapidly accelerating rate of technological innovation and scientific discovery though.
legendary
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December 12, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
You need to be several levels of delusional as hell to think things can go on the way they are perpetually. We will sooner or later hit a zero point where automation is simply too advanced for a market to function as we know it, because the people needed to be productive will be less than the people needed to be productive. We are heading more and more towards some sort of universal wellfare for a lot of people that simply aren't needed, because as advanced species we recognize human rights and people that aren't born with the capabilities to be intellectually useful for an advanced society don't deserve to die thanks to a life of shitty resources because like I said before, you aren't lucky enough to be useful enough for that society to create wealth and get paid. This is creating most of the crime right now: If you need resources but you don't know how to create wealth, well you are going to take it by force because you need these resources. So if you get stabbed by some desperate person in need of basic resources, don't cry and next time consider if things would have been the same if he had basic requeriments to live a decent life guaranteed.
In 1000 years automation will be insanely advanced, we can now pop houses out of a 3D printer, in 1000 years automation will be insane, we can't even comprehend it now. Only engineers and technical people that can fix the machines if they malfunction will be needed. Most of the stuff that breaks is due programmed obsolence to boot. So get it through your skull: We are approaching a serious zero point within our current system. It may take 100, 1000 years, but it will happen, because we are headed towards it and technical progress only drivers us closer to it.

And lol at needing competition for BASIC RESOURCES to create interesting things. How dumb is that? Do you thing Tesla, Einstein, Bach, DaVinci and so on, where interested on their sciences/art because of that? or because they wanted a lot of wealth? get some perspective there. The notion of how if everyone had their basics needs needed no one would come up with more innovation is one of the dumbest theories of all time. We will always be under treats if you still want to maintain that theory, we are on constant treats of illneses, or even the sun eventually exploding. Our future is in space, colonizing other planets. If everyone had their basic needs meet tomorrow, there would still be people inspired to create good art and there would be people inspired to research and discover unknown things. Only a delusional out-of-touch person would think otherwise.
legendary
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December 10, 2014, 07:45:49 AM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE

Yes, it was posted, and I answered here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9341977
hero member
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December 03, 2014, 02:29:47 PM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
You think we can have an economy where everything is free?

haha.

You're worse than the the worst of the pinkos.
Where does he say that and where do you address the 3 questions?
legendary
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December 01, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Did anyone post this?

Founder of the zeitgeist movement asks for 3 answers and propositions for the following 3 questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE

I propose an altcoin with x% inflation/year & x% tax/year. Mining for ever, without total coin inflation. This would be a good start. Also this is a very good idea:  "Cybercurrency: bandwidth-as-a-currency" https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki

When bitcoin has freed the world, you can create such money and much more.
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