i think fx surfer is trying to look smart. but is not looking outside of the box.
its like them blonde women you meet that are philosophy majors...
its as if he is saying that a song is just vibrations on the eardrum and has no value
anything computerised is just binary digits and has no value
objects are just organised combinations of atoms and has no value
and i dont think he will see the big picture about cost, utility, function that creates value
so he might aswell lock his topic and live in a no value world of atoms, vibrations and binary
maybe, just maybe
one day he will learn that the binary digits that make up the ledger has an actual function.
that creating the database has a cost.
and for people that want and need that function are happy to pay the cost of its creation.
if he wants a zero cost database then he can go make a PoS coin and go hand out free coins like all the other crapcoins about.
A song - for e.g. "I Just Called to Say I Love You", indeed has value. But, numerical symbols that represent the order of this song in the Love Songs database have no value.
Binary digits also have value, except if they are quantifiers in a database. Microsoft Word is a computerised thing (just binary digits) and it has value because it used as a word processor. Microsoft Word is not an entry in a database.
Sure, some objects are just combinations of atoms without value, like Bitcoin or dirt for e.g. Point?
Regarding the big picture. Costs of brute force cannot chage the fact that the result of the brute force is a number in a database, which has zero value. Utility and function are abstract terms that cannot create value. Value is created by agents or machines.
Finally, I do not deny that the binary digits that make up the bitcoin ledger have an actual function - they provide numerical evidence that someone gave its iPhone or money for free. If I gave you iPhone as a gift and as a result I enter a number into some excel database, for e.g. "1.25", and than give name to it - for e.g. ExcelCoin, that does not mean that ExcelCoin has value. ExcelCoin is just a numerical evidence that I gave you a thing for free.
fxsurfer: You actually harm crypto-sceptics, by telling weak arguments and sticking to them, when You are not right...
OK, for sake of simplicity, I leave everything other aside: does at least user base have a value in Your eyes?
It does not even matter, if BTC is legit or scam, it does have value due to its user base alone already. Doesnt matter if that value is healthy or criminal. It still does have value for at least many people, if not all. If You say You would not pay 1 dollar for BTC, then You could say, that BTC has no value in Your opinion. I know, how to earn from BTC, I dont buy it, because I also know its a scam and being responsible of what I do, has more value for me, than earning opportunities from BTC.