Topic: A simpler version of demerits: "dmerits" for every X merits earned (Read 898 times)

I like the wide range of opinions. Thank you for those who left feedback on the idea while following the thread rules

I'm not married to this idea and I was curious about the results when put simply and without bias. The community has spoken, so I'll lock the thread!

Your assumption is totally wrong, you're trying to say that anyone who talks about alt accounts is that OddJobs right? In fact, if you have been part of this forum then you might have seen many reputed members who have talked about alt accounts, and some of them even found out alts of the members with multiple accounts. For your information, I don't have an alt account on this forum and I will never need one.

Your words seem misleading to me, who knows that you might be another alt of that OddJobs? You are talking a lot about the alt account thing, that sounds very shady to me, and there's a chance that you might be an alt of that guy or someone else.

You’re missing the point. I have no evidence at all, neither does Lucius when he accused Ben Codie. He pulled this idea out of thin air and when asked for more evidence he basically just admits it’s a gut feeling based on the flimsiest and unsubstantial reasoning. I could also accuse you of being an alt account of OddJobs. Why? Because OddJobs made a statement about having alt accounts and now you’re also talking about alt accounts. Pretty damn suspicious if you ask me.

You're 100% wrong with your understanding. How could you even think that a reputed member like Lucius needs to own an alt account which's useless? OddJobsForBitcoin hasn't contributed anything to the forum while on other hand Lucius is a known member of the community who has contributed a lot to the community. I suggest you to be careful while making such assumptions.

I usually get startled at the level of IQ some forum members possess - and I convey them in real life setting,... assuming I'm able to convert them in cash, it won't buy atleast a burger...well, i wasn't here to bicker so lemme let it slide.

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The big question there is - What exactly was the original purpose of creating the merit system? To ensure the obliteration of merit fishers and account farmers right?? It was created as a sort of "rescue alternative", which is already a great barrier to an account farmer and a punitive measure to a dull-headed fellow who doesn't do too much... So what's the sense in implementing a system to fight against the real merit earners?? Which could also incite two logger-heads against themselves??... I DON'T SUPPORT THIS, SORRY!  VOD and OG nasty won't find this funny.!!

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Deflect from what? First, try to understand what this is about, and only then write something that makes sense. I don't have an alt account on this forum because I've never needed anything like that - and you and other "geniuses" prove the opposite - just don't put me in the same category as those who deal with odd things and have odd ideas in their heads.

The merit system is working well. Trust me, bro.  Why would you want to change something that is so very perfectly fine. Nothing to see here, let’s just move along.

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I’m starting to suspect you’re an alt account of OddJobsForBitcoin and only throwing around baseless accusations to deflect.

@nutildah, I'm not good at digging into someone's accounts and looking for links, but if we take into account the whole context behind everything that's happening with the @OddJobsForBitcoin account and his public acknowledgment that he has so many alt accounts under his control that he doesn't even know their number - and that one Legendary account just appeared and supported his idea and then disappeared (it was not active since the creation of the topic), then for me that is enough for justified suspicion that it is possibly the same person.

Of course, this is not an accusation, but only my personal observation when looking at the overall picture. Maybe I'm wrong, but when someone chooses silence and ignoring instead of defense, it's not something that works in his favor.

I'm not quite seeing how the two accounts are connected, other than the similarity of these two aforementioned topics. When BenCodie first came back to the forum, I was intrigued by how self-righteous he was, which was a bit out of the ordinary for a non-established account. I looked at his old posts and new ones and saw the theme of domain sales was continuous, which led me to believe the account still belongs to the same owner. Perhaps I was wrong? Would like to see more substantive evidence if that is the case.

This is true, some people try to stay out of trouble, but I believe some don't mind.
My main issue with the dmerit system is that it can easily be manipulated or exploited. There would be too many irregularities.

I can dmerit a person's post simply because I don't like the person. I might give a reason why I did that, but deep down I was only looking for a reason. With the merit system if you see a quality post that you like and want to merit, you're free to do so, if you don't want to or don't have sMerit to give, you just move on.
If a post is so bad it deserves dmerit, report the post to the moderator.

If you don't have me on "ignore", and you read my previous post, then one of the logical conclusions arises - it's about one and the same person. Besides, isn't it strange that the OP has no comment after all on all these comments about his "brilliant idea"?

@BenCodie is apparently only one in a series of accounts bought by the one who introduces himself as @OddJobsForBitcoin. Otherwise, BPIP shows that the account changed its password for the first time on May 20, 2018, and then the owner probably changed as well.

Why would a Legendary user be applauding a dense idea by a low end member that is overwhelmingly rejected by those who have partaken in the poll?

Bad idea.

 I voted no as well. I don't really see the need for a demerit and  just like @plaguedeath rightly pointed, it won't be used properly because users will have a kind of preferential treatment on whom to use this feature on and whom not to. I also heard that it could be a nice idea since altcointalk uses it and I strongly believe that BitcoinTalk is not in any competition with any other site to do better. I feel that the forum will be less fun to be in if most of these stringent rules are applied. Of all our requests where being granted by Theymos, BitcoinTalk will not be recognizable in the near future and I know that change is constant bit there are some changes that will alter the course of things and are best left the way they are.

except I misinterpret that part, I think 15 accounts having most control seems feasible but that would make the workload being overloaded for them even some these reliable members are already having tight schedule in their personal life, People are move with emotions which will still affect this and somehow de-Merit won`t hold strong in this forum like having Negative tags because those who are De-Merited can still earn merits even when they are still breaking the rules except they are tag account can not be limited.

For example if a member is caught as a cheater in campaign or bounties with a tag, that account is ruin to be accepted when it comes to getting loans or joining campaign but except the trust system still stand with the De-Merit system, these cheaters can still earn merits and apply for loans and campaign with a good chance of being accepted while with a negative tag an account is ruin or limited.

Should the demerit system be introduced? Yes it should be introduced but what effects will it have on the forum? It will cause more conflict and would also fulfill the reason it was created. Let's be careful the choices we make because what ever have advantage also has disadvantages. If a demerit button is integrated to this forum, the reason why it was created will be fullfill but I am 100% sure that it will also be used against its purpose. It will cause conflict among members, it will be used as a tool of war among members just like some DT are already doing with the trust system. Some members only give tag to other members in a clear case when it is very necessary to do so but some other DTs are just being so harsh and careless in handing out tag for some nonsense personal reasons. If a DT members got insulted by non DT, they could just use their DT membership to give tag to the user and it is very bad.

Let's not be surprised that one day we might even see a tag from a DT saying, "he or she misspelled my name, I can't trust him, that's why am leaving this tag"

I vote that th Demerit system should come live only on the condition that who ever misused it should be automatically banned from the forum, no second chance should be given.

No matter how unpopular it may seem, I really don't believe in coincidences when it comes to those who have many alt accounts on this forum and try to manipulate other members using them. I won't repeat what I wrote, but for those who missed it -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63722621

Yes, let me demerit people. Let me derank people. Give me the power to burn everything to the ground.
In all seriousness, if Theymos thought this was a good idea, it would already have been done.

I also voted "no", as I see the current score is 43 "no" against one "yes".

It is clear that everyone did not like this proposal because it would simply turn the forum into an arena for conflict, exchange of accusations, and the like, which would turn the forum into something else completely different from the purpose of its creation.

This system can cause many members to waste their long-time efforts to advance their rank due to differences of opinion or personal disagreements with other members.

This will also increase the burden of Mods and waste their time resolving disputes that will arise between members if this system is misused.

I agree with you, but if we say that about 15 accounts control most of Merits distribution, and assuming that the system is not misused, then creating a de-merit system with a list of 20 members, only 5 members needed to agree to de-Merit that post.

I do not like using trust system as a de-Merit system.

To be Frank I don't really think this will work well, it's similar to DT but with time I think it will even fail more than DT. Altcoinstalk is still under development and I don't think when it comes to this Btt needs to adopt any of their systems, though Altcoinstalk was created to be less strict but now that been use against them, in just a month plus after mixers moved to them, the admin have already been facing the abuse of the karma systems.

I stand with NO on the addition of demerit system, if we're already being stress because of the abuse of merit and DT, the demerit will only makes things and frankly Theymos definitely would have thought about this before but he knows it won't solve any problem here instead causing more problem.
After all we know he does not bother about how anyone here view him, rather he cares about the betterment of the forum and once he sees a feasible way of solving this problem he will implement it, just like how he banned mixers though we all hated it but we have come to accept it since we understand his reasons.

Sometimes I think there is no need for all these especially when we have such threads like this,
Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk IV (2024 Q1) [MODERATED] 🤨🔬,
AI Spam Report Reference Thread and others have been more helpful than anything in bringing order on the forum.

 Though I support nutildah idea, on getting the payment of any bounty cheater caught since even negative tags doesn't stop them from cheating this would be better, since everyone knows that having such related tags has already put anyone having it in edge of never being accepted in a campaign but I guess it will all depend on if the member desires to take the cheaters