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Topic: A Theory on what pirateat40 is doing - page 13. (Read 39920 times)

donator
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Poor impulse control.
July 04, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
#66
what a pedant, lol, but yes

try to calculate those in under 10 seconds without any computer aid, now.

Hey! I still have my slide rule! I'm ready to lend bitcoin during the computer apocalypse! Oh, wait ...
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 07:25:23 PM
#65
Fking unnatural exponential function, rapes so many people in the ass just because it's so intuitive and most listen to their intuition instead of reason and evidence. Cheesy
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July 04, 2012, 07:21:32 PM
#64
what a pedant, lol, but yes

try to calculate those in under 10 seconds without any computer aid, now.
donator
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Poor impulse control.
July 04, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
#63
For example, say, Pirate is paying 7.2% per week. 72/7.2 = 10. This means you should approximately double your money every 10 weeks.

week 1  -  1000 BTC
week 10 -  2000  2004.3 BTC 
week 20 -  4000 4016.9 BTC
week 30 -  8000 8051 BTC
week 40 - 16000 16136 BTC
week 50 - 32000 32340 BTC

Enjoy!

FTFY - that approximation leads to errors which due to the wonderful nature of compound interest get out of hand very quickly. Not a bad rule for short term interest though.
sr. member
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July 04, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
#62
If you really
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Oh, what happened? Someone placed money against it?


Curious. Earlier today it was something like 10:1 for BTCST defaulting in 2012.

I followed it a bit and after 10:1, someone bet ~50 against and now some bet ~20 for..

I considered betting when it was 10:50 but I'd have to lock up my funds for who knows how long so I decided against it.

Why bet when Pirate can multiply your money much faster? I really wonder if Pirate from time to time searchs for BTCST related bets and bets against to simulate trust. But again, if people were rational we wouldn't be even discussing here, so maybe the bets are genuine!
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July 04, 2012, 07:05:29 PM
#61
Compound interest is very simple guys.

Finally my endless posts today may be of value to some:

Rule of 72

If you have interest of N over some fixed period of time, divide 72 by N. This will give you amount of those fixed periods needed to double your money with compounding the interest.

For example, say, Pirate is paying 7.2% per week. 72/7.2 = 10. This means you should double your money every 10 weeks.

week 1  -  1000 BTC
week 10 -  2000 BTC
week 20 -  4000 BTC
week 30 -  8000 BTC
week 40 - 16000 BTC
week 50 - 32000 BTC

and more

week  60  -    64 000 BTC
week  70  -   128 000 BTC
week  80  -   256 000 BTC
week  90  -   512 000 BTC
week 100 - 1 024 000 BTC

week 110 -  2 048 000 BTC
week 120 -  4 096 000 BTC
week 130 -  8 192 000 BTC
week 140 - 16 384 000 BTC
week 150 - 32 768 000 BTC

Enjoy!

It takes only 3 years and you are the winner!

 
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 07:02:08 PM
#60
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Oh, what happened? Someone placed money against it?


Curious. Earlier today it was something like 10:1 for BTCST defaulting in 2012.

I followed it a bit and after 10:1, someone bet ~50 against and now some bet ~20 for..

I considered betting when it was 10:50 but I'd have to lock up my funds for who knows how long so I decided against it.
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 07:00:27 PM
#59
3400% a year?

It's because people first don't know how to annualize compound interest of 7% per week and second they have no fking clue just how ridiculous 3400% annually is. The sad part is that usually these economically and financially illiterate people can least afford to lose their hard earned money.
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 06:32:43 PM
#58
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Oh, what happened? Someone placed money against it?


Curious. Earlier today it was something like 10:1 for BTCST defaulting in 2012.
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 06:31:13 PM
#57
Thought we are against Wall Street and money printing! Or is this a big lie alltogether?

Umm ...  Bitcoin (the open source digital currency project) != Bitcoin Savings and Trust  (the topic of this thread) or any other sites and services that use bitcoin as their form of money.

This is just like how Bitcoin is not Bitcoinica, Mt. Gox, SatoshiDICE, Silk Road, Casascius, Butterfly Labs, etc.,
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
#56
Have red the article about "Ponzi Scheme" in the Bitcoin Magazine. Wonder if there are enough stupids to have a large effect on Bitcoins. I believe in Bitcoins, but that makes me pondering silence. 3400% a year? Thought we are against Wall Street and money printing! Or is this a big lie alltogether?
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 06:19:11 PM
#55
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Oh, what happened? Someone placed money against it?

That's strange, wouldn't Pirateat yield more? Anyway, time to make an account there!

Edit: tx underway. Bring it on, I'll face more than just even odds until I can't trust the site with more! Sadly, with a young anonymous site it's not that much Sad but people are unlikely to bet anyway.

If more people get a trustworthy third party for this bet, I can raise more! Smiley
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
July 04, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
#54
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Quote
"This assertion is true if Bitcoin Savings and Trust is unwilling or unable to pay out requested deposits on or before December 31st, 2012 according to the opinion of Bitcointalk.org members on the Bitcoin Savings and Trust Forum Thread. "

Which members? Or who counts them and how?
And how much one would win betting 1 BTC? Another BTC?
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 05:08:26 PM
#53
Yea @hazek. Look at the quote inception, and it still makes no sense. Occam's Razor is on a killing spree.

Serge, try to take Pirateat's place. You're making this excessively complicated by trying to look from the outside. If he ever needs investors for such operations, then only for a short time. The actual BS&T wants exponentially more investors, even though its own assets should grow exponentially!

Once you're done with a 5-page explanation as to why it could work in theory, I'll just say it again: hedging against risk is much cheaper than 7% a week. And the whole card-house comes tumbling down, no matter how neat its theories.

Ok, I've thought a little about presented dilemma. I think for anyone to understand it better why borrowing at these rates in order to sell at high premium rates works better than do it on your own we must go back in time when pirate started offering his selling service to his clients and to remember what was happening on exchanges at that time. I don't know exactly when pirate introduced his service, I think it will be safe to assume it all started somewhere last year. Market volatility was insanely wild at the time, there were huge fluctuations within single days, no one knew to which price one would wake up the next morning.

Supposedly pirate closes a deal, back in 2011, and by the time he's ready to re-buy market moved so much leaving him little to no profits even with his high premium rates. That's where his initial client rates came from - comfortable for his clients and leaving him enough margin to get few percentages out of a deal himself. We can be sure he had some good and some bad trades all due to market fluctuation (unless he already had enough reserves to allow him some time to catch as many dips as possible more or less safely). As business started picking up with increasing volume this was hard and tedious work always monitoring exchanges and doing trades like a bot in order to stay on profitable levels while selling at premium rates to his clients; market manipulation was much riskier too even if it was accessible to him at that time. Until one day pirate realized "Hey, I can borrow bitcoins at significantly lower rates than what I'm paying on exchanges to re-buy them fueling swings and causing small panic disturbances! While this gives me an opportunity to re-buy on my own at slower pace without much of market disturbance! ARHH Brilliant!!" he exclaimed =)  BTCST concept was born.  

Before BTCST, although he had access to liquid Bitcoins, the rates were unpredictable.  After BTCST he pretty much has predictable and controlled stream of BTC available at his disposal at predictable rates (not guaranteed but more or less stable). Volatility became manageable, his competition which drove him mad at times on exchanges with unpredictable fluctuations now is on his side being his BTC suppliers/lenders. He can slowly move market up or down 20% for time being and is making lots of money for many others who lend to him at the same time. Life became less stressful and the endeavor less risky.

I maybe wrong though
donator
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July 04, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
#52
My god, since pirate now everyone wants to start a HYIP scam. cytokine, your "debug output" and claims about "reviewing code resolving bugs" are utterly unconvincing. Since your business (like pirate's) also has a 'secret sauce' and we don't know what its doing either, then by your own advice we shouldn't invest.

Sigh... this is why I shouldn't have ever commented here, just to get mixed up in the morass. It was a bad move that I now regret. In any event, normally I don't respond to abuse, but I've decided to make a proper rebuttal so that I can link to it from my main fund thread if necessary.

See here for proof on where over a third of the fund is invested. Also, we will become a transparent fund when possible, and/or have a trusted auditor sign the monthly reports when the GLBSE allows for read-only logins, which is coming. Also, last month I purchased GIGAMINING shares directly from friedcat and COGNITIVE shares (in exchange for BDK.BND shares) directly from Kluge here.

So my operations are very glass-box since other members of the forum can see my activity. Nefario knows I've been pinging him with coding questions quite frequently, and of course he can view the fund's holdings himself.
legendary
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July 04, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
#51
Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433

Hmmm I think I'll take that bet for a few BTC.
hero member
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July 04, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
#50
mmmmmm, that sriracha hot sauce is the bestest!
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July 04, 2012, 02:48:08 PM
#49
This
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July 04, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
#48
Too bad I never do any bets (yea I know, it could be a great hedging avenue for some, but I have nothing to hedge).

The problem with those bets is, there is at least one person who knows exactly the outcome or (maybe) can change the outcome depending on the odds at any point in time. I would not want to play against such kind of house edge.



legendary
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July 04, 2012, 02:39:09 PM
#47
hedging against risk is much cheaper than 7% a week.

Speaking of:

Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default on or before July 31st, 2012.
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=476

Bitcoin Savings and Trust will default before the end of 2012
 - http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=433
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