A4 Dominator - Pre-Order Group Buy - 280mh, roughly 1000w, $1800 + shipping - page 37.

Searing

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Quote from: Master12210 on November 18, 2016, 11:59:43 AM

Everyone is angry about the blade dropping problem and I am too but has anyone noticed the adverage speed with in the first 5 seconds of the unit booting Shocked

I started just one unit (2 blades) and at first it was getting 300+ mh/s maybe if the software becomes open sourced we can get much more out of these units than expected...

As an aside. The KNC Titan's that I'd guess 90% plus use the Tarky Titan (gen tarkin) 3rd party firmware...has an energy option that probably reboots my stuff 10x a day
on some rigs...with tweaks/pops/etc to get hash to electric rate and just keeps the hamster wheels inside stable.

IT does not seem to effect the hash rate much on my pool. So if nothing else I ASSUME the case could be made for your A4 stuff if it cycles thru on its power down or

reset/boot of whatever in the same manner.

Not much ..but with the Titans and the above software it is well worth this happening just to smooth everything out...may be the same deal for you guys IF it say is only
as some people have said 4x or so a day...I'd not sweat it too much...in that the same eff/tweaks/etc are likely going on with the A4's

just my 2c worth from the other side of the fence with the KNC Titan 3rd party firmware

Also they said they were gonna make it 'open source' get them on that gen tarkin probably needs a new Unicorn (A4) to mess with

(he is not gonna like that comment)

wheelz1200

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I hope the diff stabalizes and doesnt go belly up with these coming online. Really want some more gear and am afraid profitability will be too low once everything is hashed out with the software.

firehawk71

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Quote from: firehawk71 on November 18, 2016, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: usao on November 18, 2016, 09:40:27 AM

Quote from: Searing on November 17, 2016, 11:46:06 AM

I thought you had protection +\- 10% and you could get redress. Or were they just blowing smoke
And you are stuck?

Well, while nicehash runs at around 230MHs pool-side, other pools do better. When I run on hash-to-coins, I get around 270MHs, similar to litecoinpool, where I also get around 260-270.
I think it's an issue specific to nicehash. By the time I mine some off-brand coin, pay fees to transfer to an exchange, pay trading fees to get it into BTC, and pay more fees to ship back to my wallet, I think it's pretty much a wash. Nicehash pays daily directly in BTC and avoids the headaches of pool swapping and exchanges.
That said, I had added a pool swap feature to the A4 GUI because they really need that...
Without it, you have to either edit on the GUI or update the flat file manually.

I am getting similar results as you. I have a batch 1 set and a single batch 2. Litecoinpool.org does seem to be the most stable. I tried prohash.com all last night with this latest software and it is way better but now there profits have gone way down below litecoinpool since the A4 release

firehawk71

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Quote from: usao on November 18, 2016, 09:40:27 AM

Quote from: Searing on November 17, 2016, 11:46:06 AM

I thought you had protection +\- 10% and you could get redress. Or were they just blowing smoke
And you are stuck?

Well, while nicehash runs at around 230MHs pool-side, other pools do better. When I run on hash-to-coins, I get around 270MHs, similar to litecoinpool, where I also get around 260-270.
I think it's an issue specific to nicehash. By the time I mine some off-brand coin, pay fees to transfer to an exchange, pay trading fees to get it into BTC, and pay more fees to ship back to my wallet, I think it's pretty much a wash. Nicehash pays daily directly in BTC and avoids the headaches of pool swapping and exchanges.
That said, I had added a pool swap feature to the A4 GUI because they really need that...
Without it, you have to either edit on the GUI or update the flat file manually.

I am getting similar results as you. I have a batch 1 set and a single batch 2. Litecoinpool.org does seem to be the most stable. I tried prohash all last night and it is way better but there profits have gone down below litecoinpool since the A4 release

Master12210

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Everyone is angry about the blade dropping problem and I am too but has anyone noticed the adverage speed with in the first 5 seconds of the unit booting Shocked

I started just one unit (2 blades) and at first it was getting 300+ mh/s maybe if the software becomes open sourced we can get much more out of these units than expected...

wheelz1200

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Quote from: sqnkee on November 17, 2016, 03:07:37 AM

Quote from: Inno_ASIC on November 16, 2016, 11:51:41 PM

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 16, 2016, 09:09:43 AM

I just checked with Chloe about the BTC exchange rate and at this time they are still asking for the high premium to use BTC. So I will be holding off doing anything more unless the exchange rate comes closer in line with the current BTC price. I can understand asking for a little buffer to take into account price fluctuation, but the huge price difference being asked is more than I am willing to pay.

I see a couple more batches of S9's are being released. Grin

Since we are unable to track the highly variable BTC valuation, we have no choice but to provide a BTC valuation that is on the lower end of this range. We recognize that this does not provide a good deal using this currency when the BTC valuation moves higher, however we also accept USD, which is a much more stable currency for us. Our recommendation is that you make your purchases in USD if you can't time your purchases to a low BTC valuation.

Everyone knows BTC is a currency for SPECULATIONS on market. Imposible to use it in busines when price jump from 200$ to 700$ during 6 months, or drop from 1000$ to 200$. Conversly with LTC, its predictable, exchange rate is stable, can be use to make transactions. I use it for transfers not BTC. Why You (BTW LTC miner producers) use BTC not LTC?? Dont know...

There are services that provide an instant exchange from btc to fiat so there is no float risk.....prices dont jump from 200 to 700 in an instant. Businesses can flip right into fiat. 200 to 700 has been over the long run. And businesses would need to flip LTC to BTC to fiat via exchanges, MUCH more risk with that

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Quote from: usao on November 18, 2016, 09:40:27 AM

Quote from: Searing on November 17, 2016, 11:46:06 AM

I thought you had protection +\- 10% and you could get redress. Or were they just blowing smoke
And you are stuck?

Well, while nicehash runs at around 230MHs pool-side, other pools do better. When I run on hash-to-coins, I get around 270MHs, similar to litecoinpool, where I also get around 260-270.
I think it's an issue specific to nicehash. By the time I mine some off-brand coin, pay fees to transfer to an exchange, pay trading fees to get it into BTC, and pay more fees to ship back to my wallet, I think it's pretty much a wash. Nicehash pays daily directly in BTC and avoids the headaches of pool swapping and exchanges.
That said, I had added a pool swap feature to the A4 GUI because they really need that...
Without it, you have to either edit on the GUI or update the flat file manually.

What's worse is scrypt returns at Nicehash are down to .04X BTC/GH/day where prior to this influx of A4s, it was closer to .06 - .07 BTC/GH/day. The hordes of crippled A4s are gutting returns even in their under performing state. Sad

bclcjunkie

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because:
1. they don't know the root cause and apply "bandage aid" fixes
2. they know and wouldn't like to admit that it's far more serious issue and will require more than just firmware update
3. they just suck at coding

i'd just suggest them to open source and let the community try their hands at it. even KNC didn't suck this bad, with each firmware update my rigs were getting more stable back in the days.

Quote from: dogjunior on November 18, 2016, 09:31:31 AM

Why does Inno keep putting out firmware releases that don't fix the problem of dropped boards. Are they not testing the firmware or do they just release it and let the community test? Kind of scary. What if they release a firmware that bricks the A4? Will they take ownership and repair?

usao

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Quote from: Searing on November 17, 2016, 11:46:06 AM

I thought you had protection +\- 10% and you could get redress. Or were they just blowing smoke
And you are stuck?

Well, while nicehash runs at around 230MHs pool-side, other pools do better. When I run on hash-to-coins, I get around 270MHs, similar to litecoinpool, where I also get around 260-270.
I think it's an issue specific to nicehash. By the time I mine some off-brand coin, pay fees to transfer to an exchange, pay trading fees to get it into BTC, and pay more fees to ship back to my wallet, I think it's pretty much a wash. Nicehash pays daily directly in BTC and avoids the headaches of pool swapping and exchanges.
That said, I had added a pool swap feature to the A4 GUI because they really need that...
Without it, you have to either edit on the GUI or update the flat file manually.

dogjunior

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Why does Inno keep putting out firmware releases that don't fix the problem of dropped boards. Are they not testing the firmware or do they just release it and let the community test? Kind of scary. What if they release a firmware that bricks the A4? Will they take ownership and repair?

bclcjunkie

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that was my concern that we may have to resort to this power cycling which is actually risky or we just have to get inno acknowledge that there is a design flaw that can't be fixed by firmware.

Quote from: usao on November 17, 2016, 11:11:33 AM

Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 10:18:34 AM

thanks, so do they drop and then bounce back on their own? or are you using a cron job to just kill and restart cgminer without doing power resets? if your boards keep dropping then 1.0.3 didn't solve the issue right? do you find 1.0.3 better than the previous versions? any slight improvements like less drops and etc?

I have a script which monitors the number of blades and makes a CLI call to my PDU to bounce the power port for 10 seconds.
Only bounces when the board count drops, not on a schedule.
Seems to bounce the miner 3-4 times per day on average.

QuintLeo

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Quote from: sqnkee on November 17, 2016, 03:07:37 AM

Everyone knows BTC is a currency for SPECULATIONS on market. Imposible to use it in busines when price jump from 200$ to 700$ during 6 months, or drop from 1000$ to 200$. Conversly with LTC, its predictable, exchange rate is stable, can be use to make transactions. I use it for transfers not BTC. Why You (BTW LTC miner producers) use BTC not LTC?? Dont know...

LTC has been more stable the last year or so, but NewEgg among meny others doesn't seem to have any problem with selling in BTC at reasonably current pricing.
On the other hand, it DOES seem odd that the biggest Scrypt mining manufacturer doesn't accept LTC...

Searing

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Quote from: wlefever on November 17, 2016, 10:34:10 AM

Quote from: usao on November 17, 2016, 10:11:05 AM

Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 09:41:16 AM

will wait for your results. i don't have the privilege to fine tune mine as they are remotely hosted and don't want to overwhelm onsite support with multiple requests. So your results will determine if i should go ahead with updates or just wait a little more. Can you please test 1.0.3 on nicehash and let us know?

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 17, 2016, 09:24:41 AM

Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

Ive been running on nicehash using v1.0.0(T), v1.0.2 and v1.0.3.
Not having any issues, except that my boards keep dropping.
Pool side reporting approx 233MHs per rig. Rejects around 2%.

My overall hash is reporting close to 230 mhs with less than 1% rejects on nicehash but when I look at each worker I see wildly fluctuating ranges where I guess the boards are dropping and restarting?

Hashing at 230 is unacceptable for what is suppose to be 280.

I thought you had protection +\- 10% and you could get redress. Or were they just blowing smoke
And you are stuck?

usao

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Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 10:18:34 AM

thanks, so do they drop and then bounce back on their own? or are you using a cron job to just kill and restart cgminer without doing power resets? if your boards keep dropping then 1.0.3 didn't solve the issue right? do you find 1.0.3 better than the previous versions? any slight improvements like less drops and etc?

I have a script which monitors the number of blades and makes a CLI call to my PDU to bounce the power port for 10 seconds.
Only bounces when the board count drops, not on a schedule.
Seems to bounce the miner 3-4 times per day on average.

Hhampuz

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Meh.

So are there any news on updates that will make this unit stable and produce the promised hashrate? I'm very discouraged right now to invest in these, as the reports and the lackluster communication from inno does not look so good. Also, that sales post that someone posted in this thread just felt like a big slap in the face to everyone wanting one of these, focus on making it work before starting to offload, please.

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Quote from: usao on November 17, 2016, 10:11:05 AM

Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 09:41:16 AM

will wait for your results. i don't have the privilege to fine tune mine as they are remotely hosted and don't want to overwhelm onsite support with multiple requests. So your results will determine if i should go ahead with updates or just wait a little more. Can you please test 1.0.3 on nicehash and let us know?

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 17, 2016, 09:24:41 AM

Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

Ive been running on nicehash using v1.0.0(T), v1.0.2 and v1.0.3.
Not having any issues, except that my boards keep dropping.
Pool side reporting approx 233MHs per rig. Rejects around 2%.

My overall hash is reporting close to 230 mhs with less than 1% rejects on nicehash but when I look at each worker I see wildly fluctuating ranges where I guess the boards are dropping and restarting?

Hashing at 230 is unacceptable for what is suppose to be 280.

bclcjunkie

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thanks, so do they drop and then bounce back on their own? or are you using a cron job to just kill and restart cgminer without doing power resets? if your boards keep dropping then 1.0.3 didn't solve the issue right? do you find 1.0.3 better than the previous versions? any slight improvements like less drops and etc?

Quote from: usao on November 17, 2016, 10:11:05 AM

Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 09:41:16 AM

will wait for your results. i don't have the privilege to fine tune mine as they are remotely hosted and don't want to overwhelm onsite support with multiple requests. So your results will determine if i should go ahead with updates or just wait a little more. Can you please test 1.0.3 on nicehash and let us know?

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 17, 2016, 09:24:41 AM

Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

Ive been running on nicehash using v1.0.0(T), v1.0.2 and v1.0.3.
Not having any issues, except that my boards keep dropping.
Pool side reporting approx 233MHs per rig. Rejects around 2%.

usao

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Quote from: bclcjunkie on November 17, 2016, 09:41:16 AM

will wait for your results. i don't have the privilege to fine tune mine as they are remotely hosted and don't want to overwhelm onsite support with multiple requests. So your results will determine if i should go ahead with updates or just wait a little more. Can you please test 1.0.3 on nicehash and let us know?

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 17, 2016, 09:24:41 AM

Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

Ive been running on nicehash using v1.0.0(T), v1.0.2 and v1.0.3.
Not having any issues, except that my boards keep dropping.
Pool side reporting approx 233MHs per rig. Rejects around 2%.

bclcjunkie

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will wait for your results. i don't have the privilege to fine tune mine as they are remotely hosted and don't want to overwhelm onsite support with multiple requests. So your results will determine if i should go ahead with updates or just wait a little more. Can you please test 1.0.3 on nicehash and let us know?

Quote from: Longsnowsm on November 17, 2016, 09:24:41 AM

Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

Longsnowsm

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Litecoinpool has been relatively stable for me. Not sure how well it pays out compared to others. I normally use Prohashing, but with the current firmware we have for the A4 the multicoin pool ruffles the feathers more than my A4 likes and it causes bad things to happen. Will try the v1.0.3 as soon as I can and see if that helps.

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