Topic: A4 Dominator, the 14nm LTC ASIC/Miners, in mass production, deliver in a week - page 3. (Read 9163 times)

We are presently working on a group buy.  Here is the thread that I started for those interested in getting in on the pre-order group buy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/a4-dominator-pre-order-group-buy-280mh-roughly-1000w-1800-shipping-1523298

I addressed this in the other A4 thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15301945


Assuming my math is correct (big assumption) you would be hard pressed to find a 350mh used titan that goes full out. So using a full out maybe at 325mh Titan
it comes out as a wash power vs mh imho

The 30 day warranty kinda goes beyond sucky. I like the Sept Shipping plus or minus a month...ie BFL used to claim it in the manner Sept 31 to Oct 31 kinda deal
all asic's all the time are one month late...its like an ironclad rule don't ya know

but man they could sell like toasters and blow up difficulty like bitcoin  ....and of course their goal is to sell them like toasters (damn it)

Thanks for the info.  I don't know why they didn't post here to inform us they had opened up the preorders.  Those equip specs are pretty far off what they started with, and not a HUGE improvement over those numbers from a Titan.  I  fired another email off to them to get some details.   Hopefully they have some video posted showing the new A4 running and can provide more info.  30 day warranty??? Seriously 30 days?

Is this right? The specs are way worse than Titan's...

email response from Innosilicon  (A4 miners is open for pre-order now at price of 1800 USD per unit plus shipping fee, 10 units to start, with about 1000W per 260Mhs (+-10% performance variation) each and 30 days parts warranty. Delivery starts from September and max delay is one month.) you would need an order of at least 10 on first come first served, very limited quantities. It is out of my ability to buy right now, just thought I would pass the info on.

Thanks for the very good reply!

I'm even more sure the price is gonna be 4k for the miner..if not more so with the btc/ltc price hikes...just saying....we will see I guess.

The only difference between "14nm" and "16nm" seems to be marketing and minor implimentation details between Global Foundrys and TSMC (and Intel which doesn't sell capasity to anyone else - I could also specify Samsung but they're allied with one of the others using the SAME process) - which is why I've tended to refer to the "14/16nm" generation.
It's interesting that NVidia has specified it is qualifying (or has qualified by now, IIRC they stated "2Q 2016" for the designs to be qualified on both) it's 10xx series products for production on BOTH process nodes - apparently with no change in their specifications, indicating the actual performance is pretty close to identical.


 There is a major difference between Innosilicon (among others), with a PROVEN TRACK RECORD of delivering their claims and a long corporate history in semiconductor manufacture and design before Bitcoin existed, vs. a company like Black Arrow that never did make good on all of their claims and was very very late on what little they DID eventually deliver and didn't even exist when Bitcoin first came to be.



 On a more important point, got a reply to my email inquiry about A4 pricing today.

 "

Thanks for your interest! The pre-order price of A4 miner is not determined yet. Please stay tuned.

 

Best regards,

Chloe Zhang

+86 18040500320

Innosilicon Technology Ltd."


*SIGH*

Bitfury has 16nm, Bitmain has 16nm. BW claims to have 14nm (I believe when I see it). Also, Black Arrow had similar claims in 2014...

 LK-1401 (BW.COM) has reportedly been in production and in miners for a month or two already - just no better efficiency than the Bitmain S7 / BM1385.

 BW.COM has also been paying off on the contracts for those miners for a while now, and has been showing the hashrate that they probably have the miners they claim to have.


 Keep in mind the BW.COM might be new, but LKEtc that part-owns BW.COM is NOT new.


 Bitfury demonstrated their 14nm chip in a series of videos almost 2 months back.


 I also suspect that Innosilicon DID get some "partners" as a result of that offering they made last year - and I'd BET I can name one of those partners.


 Will they meet July to ship miners to non-partner end-users? Dunno. Will they ship before fall? That I'd BET on.


 Oops, just noticed one more thing. *S9* ships mid-June.

 So much for your "no Bitcoin chip has 14nm" claim.

I think they do... the only problem they have is they don't want to develop it with their own money...and investors are wary to end up the same like bitmine whoever the swiss guy is

Do you guys really think they have 14nm chips? No bitcoin miner has it yet. AFAIK only Inter, Samsung and Apple use 14nm chips (I might be wrong). It is quite a gamble to develop 14nm chip for scrypt.

Had someone on here I know say he got an email saying they are not anywhere near production models yet....thus he figured FALL at the latest...of course this is not any indication
of bulk chip sales or other sales to data halls say that DON'T need a production based box unit etc like the A4 pics suggest..anyway asked him to post the email reply here...we will see
if he does that ....

If true ...it is quite common for ASIC manufacturers to miss their launch date by at least 3 months..just saying...at these LTC prices just gives some more manufacturers time
to play catch up I guess (assuming anyone is even playing these scrypt machine/chips/etc war games anymore at a home miner or base unit (A4) and not chips and/or their
own data hall in house ..that boat may have sailed....ie here are a few units and the majority is bulk chips to the china scrypt miners..ie enjoy

anyway my guess is FALL at earliest we will see one of these units for sale (A4's) gonna have to watch LTC difficulty to see if bulk chip sales or 'big boys' getting units first
ramp up the LTC difficulty per say....but I wonder how much is gonna be A4 units and how much is just gonna be bulk chip sales to china scrypt big miner farms at this point in time

again I know 'zip' just speculating...(not the email that exists) ..anyway we will see if my buddy gets around to posting innsilicon's reply on here soon ...I'll plod him again if not....

 Innosilicon has a very good record of actually DELIVERING - with something in the ballpark of the specs they announce for their gear when it goes up for sale.
 They appear to have badly missed their INITIAL preliminary specs from last winter - but Bitfury arguably did so as well, since they were claiming .06 J/GH efficiency for THEIR chip at one point but it can only meet that claim at a VERY LOW voltage/hashrate - and Innosilicon DID claim their estimates from last winter were just that, preliminary ESTIMATES based on pre-production "tape out" chips or some such.

I don't think they feel obligated at this point to prove to us they have anything.  They are looking for big fish.
And it's not like this is not an established company with a history.  I'm not saying that's scam-proof.  Just that it's not your run of the mill super shady manufacturer.
The better the product, the later we will find out details.  I am just suggesting we pool buying power.  Then maybe we can learn more.

Do you want to invest money from 20+ into 2 pics made in Photoshop?

Do we have an experienced group buy manager interested in contacting them? If the price is under $2000, we should be able to get 20+ units worth of interest.

Yea the stock PSUs are just barely enough to make them work, I had to upgrade them to go much beyond stock

 Only reason I'm not pushing my megas to 110 across the board (they're all CAPABLE of 109-111 range at the 1200Mhz setting) is that I don't trust the "stock" power supply in 1 of them. 2 already got X1250 transplants (one had a PS die on me, the other I couldn't figure out WHAT it was rated at). The 4'th one had a 1300 Gold in it already when I bought it from Zoomhash - apparently it ALREADY had it's stock power supply death before it got to me. 8-)

I'd expect sometime in Sept .....in that all the miners will go to the folk that are currently on the pre-order list for orders over 100k which is their current cut off I guess

tough...if a lot buy and kick up difficulty for data halls etc.....esp if in that Sept time frame it is still 4k a unit at 400mh and 1150 watts...just saying

anyway how this stuff usually works....above...is my guess