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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 04, 2022, 06:56:59 AM

Someone refresh my memory: Why did Theymos nuke the entire Yobit campaign the second time around? Was it just because they had no maximum as far as how many members could join, or was it something else? I distinctly remember the quality of the forum dropping precipitously right after Yobit launched that campaign, and I'm kind of wondering why 1xbit is being allowed to erode that quality due to their lousy campaign management and/or policies.

Maybe it was the number of participants, which was 100+, and this campaign with which you are making a comparison does not seem to me to be even close to aggressive enough to cause the same reaction. It is possible that today's scam-spammers are hiding where the least attention of spam-hunters is, so the whole thing has become quite irrelevant.

If theymos would apply the same criteria to 1xbit, then we would just need good reports to get rid of them.

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Quote from: examplens on August 30, 2022, 05:10:03 PM

When I say, unfortunately, I mean, there's no point in reporting it to the campaign manager, because he already knows it. it's just their way of doing business.
the maximum we can do is to mark them with a red tag but they already have it, so it's useless.

So the situation's fucked no matter what anyone in the community does.

Someone refresh my memory: Why did Theymos nuke the entire Yobit campaign the second time around? Was it just because they had no maximum as far as how many members could join, or was it something else? I distinctly remember the quality of the forum dropping precipitously right after Yobit launched that campaign, and I'm kind of wondering why 1xbit is being allowed to erode that quality due to their lousy campaign management and/or policies.

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I don't know if it's from my side but I like to report that the picture clarity shared by OP is blunt. I guess that's from the device used in taking the pictures or from the angle they were taken. Anyway, that's besides the issue. I observed that abuse as reported and that's very horrible to say the least. The best way to tackle such edit abuse would've been to report the user to the manager of the campaign they're in. That's if they're in a signature campaign at the time of the crime. It's not even as if they won't be in a campaign to do such. Those who aren't won't feel the rush to meet up weekly quota. Managers of BTC paying signature campaigns will care to take the matter up and scrutinize the user. I know it's a different ball game for bounty campaigns where anything goes and most bounty mangers don't even care to check their hunters. In the case of bounties, the user should be reported to mods.

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Quote from: Awaklara on September 15, 2022, 09:24:49 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on September 15, 2022, 01:39:34 PM

Just report to the manager.

because the campaign followed by both accounts is 1xBit. I guess there's no need to bother reporting to the bounty manager. there is a high chance that the campaign participants from the scam site are also doing the same behavior with the two accounts.

if you report to the bounty manager I guess you will only get a thank you from the manager. because if you look at the rules in the 1xBit campaign thread, spam, offtopic, and bounty posts are not counted. don't know if burst posting will be counted or not. the most important thing for such a project campaign is quantity, not quality.

I don't blame tjose guys for doing such only because they finds the campaign itself the most suitably ground for them to perform such, who dare tries that with other campaign managers, all because the campaign has been on several occasions reported as scam gives them more upper hands to executing post bursting and others irrelevant acts with the campaign, if a house is shaking, check its background, but it also sounds unprofessional if the campaign manager is unaware of their doings.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 16, 2022, 12:55:17 PM

In this case I realize that many posts that I have made are still far from standard, including the use of my language which is difficult for readers to understand.
Therefore, I continue to enter the board and child boards to read every post on this forum, including about this in order to maintain safety so as not to become a fugitive.

I don't know if you are being figurative in this reply. But this particular post of yours is not far behind standard. The wordings are nicely fixed also and would not stress anyone to understand. If you could find a means to make this reply, it therefore means you can be consistent and improve also. For a non native English user to make such a reply is cool already.

But in order to make a clearer denotation, it is advisable to only involve in conversations you are conversant with, otherwise you read only and move on. Also remember that the most effective way to communicate effectively is by approaching everything from the natural aspect of it. Don't pose yourself more than your ability and don't act as if you are under compulsion to impress anyone. This is a bitcoin discussion forum and not a high school final year research and hypothesis forum.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 16, 2022, 12:55:17 PM

In this case I realize that many posts that I have made are still far from standard, including the use of my language which is difficult for readers to understand.
Therefore, I continue to enter the board and child boards to read every post on this forum, including about this in order to maintain safety so as not to become a fugitive.

I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I'm concerned, your posts are perfectly fine, and your level of proficiency in English is more than adequate. Since many of us are not native English speakers, we may not be able to write perfect posts, but it doesn't matter that much as long as they are relevant and not spammy. Just keep your sentences brief, use proper grammar, and don't post where you don't know what you're talking about, and you'll be fine!

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 16, 2022, 12:55:17 PM

I can't imagine what will happen and I don't mean to accuse anyone of anything.

A good solution you might think of is to report spam posts to moderators and let them handle it. I don't like to say I'm a good poster while other users are bad posters, but other people's mistakes should be a reflection for me to maintain quality.

Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 16, 2022, 12:55:17 PM

In this case I realize that many posts that I have made are still far from standard, including the use of my language which is difficult for readers to understand.
Therefore, I continue to enter the board and child boards to read every post on this forum, including about this in order to maintain safety so as not to become a fugitive.

If you are aware about those drawbacks then it will be better for you to focus on local boards instead of forcing to post on English boards. I think you will only increase the amount of spam due to poor English, it is also not good if you keep it up.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 15, 2022, 10:33:36 PM

Quote from: Awaklara on September 15, 2022, 09:24:49 PM

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When a campaign has 100 posts per week requirement to reach the highest quota of the payment then how would you expect a participant will do their regular posting. The forum became a cash cow for some spammer. Earlier I was calculating one user who may have 5 Hero and above accounts. Each accounts makes them $60 on average will make them $300 per week which is like $1,200 a month LOL

An example that fits the current situation very well. When posts are made only to pursue targets, the results will definitely be far from expectations. This means that the quality of posts is no longer an important thing to pay attention to. Never mind the quality that must be prioritized, the writing procedure is also neglected in order to earn $300 per week x for one month, ETC. I can't imagine what will happen and I don't mean to accuse anyone of anything.

In this case I realize that many posts that I have made are still far from standard, including the use of my language which is difficult for readers to understand.
Therefore, I continue to enter the board and child boards to read every post on this forum, including about this in order to maintain safety so as not to become a fugitive.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on September 15, 2022, 10:33:36 PM

When a campaign has 100 posts per week requirement to reach the highest quota of the payment then how would you expect a participant will do their regular posting. The forum became a cash cow for some spammer.

I understand your point. Hence, the OP reveals how spammers fill their weekly quota to get paid. they mark posts they want to reply to quickly. and one day they will edit the post. this may be a problem when the problem is a campaign handled by a manager with a good reputation on the forum. but this 1xbit. what can we expect from a scam project manager?

something we might still be able to do is report posts from spammers. It looks like we've also seen some 1xbit campaign participants know a lot of their posts are being deleted. There are even cases of plagiarism.

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Quote from: Awaklara on September 15, 2022, 09:24:49 PM

because the campaign followed by both accounts is 1xBit. I guess there's no need to bother reporting to the bounty manager. there is a high chance that the campaign participants from the scam site are also doing the same behavior with the two accounts.

if you report to the bounty manager I guess you will only get a thank you from the manager. because if you look at the rules in the 1xBit campaign thread, spam, offtopic, and bounty posts are not counted. don't know if burst posting will be counted or not. the most important thing for such a project campaign is quantity, not quality.

When a campaign has 100 posts per week requirement to reach the highest quota of the payment then how would you expect a participant will do their regular posting. The forum became a cash cow for some spammer. Earlier I was calculating one user who may have 5 Hero and above accounts. Each accounts makes them $60 on average will make them $300 per week which is like $1,200 a month LOL

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on September 15, 2022, 01:39:34 PM

Just report to the manager.

because the campaign followed by both accounts is 1xBit. I guess there's no need to bother reporting to the bounty manager. there is a high chance that the campaign participants from the scam site are also doing the same behavior with the two accounts.

if you report to the bounty manager I guess you will only get a thank you from the manager. because if you look at the rules in the 1xBit campaign thread, spam, offtopic, and bounty posts are not counted. don't know if burst posting will be counted or not. the most important thing for such a project campaign is quantity, not quality.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on September 15, 2022, 01:39:34 PM

I agree with examplens, technically they are burst posting. Simply leave a blank post then they write at the same time all the posts. Even you may find plagiarism from such users if you do a deep investigate. That's why managers should read the quality of the post during selection. Anyway, I don't think it's against forum rules but definitely, it should be against campaign rules. I have seen some campaign managers don't accept the edited post. So it's a better solution IMO. Just report to the manager.

Probably it's not against forum rules, but if this have to be cut off totally it should be the campaign Managers duty to deny whosoever they notice that is burst posting and edit and post, so if campaign manager deny the user twice payment you will see correction will take place without report.
Secondly if you notice such you exactly report the post, because such user is not making any meaningful contribution to the forum. Another thing is that, it's a 1xbit participants, other people participating in other campaigns will not edit post and post.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 01, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

It hurt abit seing that post bursting is only applicable to campaigns rules but not on the forum rules and regulations, else i would have suggested a report to the moderators, about the campaign, enough have been said concerning it, if it's been called a spamming and scamming campaign of which it is, must it still behave it, I've seen some of their threads on reputation with the claim that they are back and steady to clear all the previous mess ups but base on what we can all see, they are rather constituting more to their shotfalls since they never stopped to promote or admit scam related activities just like in the case of this one.

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I agree with examplens, technically they are burst posting. Simply leave a blank post then they write at the same time all the posts. Even you may find plagiarism from such users if you do a deep investigate. That's why managers should read the quality of the post during selection. Anyway, I don't think it's against forum rules but definitely, it should be against campaign rules. I have seen some campaign managers don't accept the edited post. So it's a better solution IMO. Just report to the manager.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on September 15, 2022, 12:32:39 PM

If I'm not mistaken, promoting a project also requires quality posts.

That's right, quality posters are needed by every manager to promote a project. But note that not all managers care about quality but they care about quantity. You can find some unreputable community managers in the bounty section who don't care about the quality of their participants' posts, that's just an example.

Quote from: Asiska02 on September 15, 2022, 12:32:39 PM

Does this mean that the campaign managers don't just care because they've already been labeled scammers in the forum?

They don't seem to care anymore, they only care about the quantity of posts from their campaign participants. My advice if you want to contribute, then report the post when you find it. No need to create thread, just report to moderator.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 31, 2022, 06:08:36 PM

In my opinion, it's not the user's fault in this case. 1xbit is providing a loophole for spammers and abusers to take advantage of. No other campaign would want to pay such posters, if 1xbit's campaign didn't exist or was prohibited on the forum, we wouldn't see so many abusers. Reporting them individually probably won't do much, moderators may not be present when the post is made and by the time they investigate them, the posts will already be edited and filled in.

As long as 1xbit continues paying its participants, we'll see examples like these.

I couldn't really see the illustration you posted. However, if I understand what you're saying well, those users make shit posts to fill out their signature post counts before going back to change them, if I'm right. Does that imply that the campaign manager will simply pay them whenever the posts are complete, regardless of whether they provide great content or not? If I'm not mistaken, promoting a project also requires quality posts. Does this mean that the campaign managers don't just care because they've already been labeled scammers in the forum?

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on September 01, 2022, 03:40:20 PM

The more spam posts that are removed the better for the forum regardless of the participant of any campaign. So there's no reason to let 1xbit posters post spam, edit them any time for his sneaky purposes to get paid on campaigns without reporting it to the moderator. Although the campaign operator does not care, but the contribution of other users to control spammers is highly expected.

Some of them are on my ignore list, so I hope I don't read the next post again from them. Consciously or not, reporting spammers is a free task for anyone and I never thought forum would force us to do it just because there are a lot of junk posts. Anyone can report it, it's never mandatory but it might be useful for forum.

Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 30, 2022, 04:39:03 PM

They're the following two users, Theones and bitgov:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theones-502210
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitgov-253969

I've tagged both accounts, so I hope they'll get banned if they really break the rules. Editing posts doesn't violate forum rules, but it may be unethical behavior to earn money from campaign. But don't expect the managers of the campaigns they promote to care about the quality and bad habits of the participants.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 01, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

I think it's important to pay attention especially if we care about spammers. I think spam should be reported to moderators regardless of who did it, so we don't really have to ignore it despite the fact that those participants no longer care about their reputation.

The more spam posts that are removed the better for the forum regardless of the participant of any campaign. So there's no reason to let 1xbit posters post spam, edit them any time for his sneaky purposes to get paid on campaigns without reporting it to the moderator. Although the campaign operator does not care, but the contribution of other users to control spammers is highly expected.

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I think I've come across a thread like this previously, can't tell exactly who started the previous thread but I do know that this discovery of the op is nothing new, unfortunately, (like examplens said), it's always 1xbit campaign participants who are culprits to this kind of posting habits, there is nothing really we can do, their accounts are already tagged, the campaign manager is probably aware of this posting habit too, this posting, I also don't know if this can be classified as post busting, but even if it is, does it really matter? Looking at the type of accounts involved.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on August 30, 2022, 04:39:03 PM

A few days ago I saw two specific users, of the same signature campaign (wouldn't be surprised if both accounts belong to the same person) making blank replies around the forum. At first, I thought nothing of it but then it struck me, the posts were a few minutes before midnight, indicating that they're trying to reach the minimum post quota and proceed to abuse the edit function later, in order to fill in their replies. Went to sleep and checked in the morning only to be proven correct, both users had edited the blank posts and filled in some spam 1-liners.

You don't have to blame the user because it's 1×bit that is causing all this shit post and spamming, when you take your time to read post of 1×bit participants, it take more time to understand them and it's very few of them that do make a meaningful post, the two accounts is working under the 1×bit so you don't need to be angry, some of them i do ignore so that i will not see their numbers of shit posting and spamming everywhere, go to the gamblling section all of them is discussing trash, because they are posting to meet their weekly quota and receive payment.

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