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EnabledZombi3

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I didn't say he never published it. He did attempt to destroy the evidence, however. The fact that the code was out there and nobody caught him until it was too late is the reason I'm personally code reviewing this and also encouraging others to do the same. Additionally, we need a rich list and a more stable block explorer. We're taking volunteers for these tasks.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 05:16:38 PM

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 04:53:11 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

"trust me or don't trust me" is not really working. that's what every scammer tells you here in the announcement board.

Lie #4
A real scammer will hide the code, not publish it. They certainly won't post it for public review prior to its release. Take the original dev for example, since he took down the source code and wiped out his website after things went sour last weekend.

Lie #9999
the original dev published the source code with the modifications to hide the premine. he took it offline much later. very few of the asiacoin investors/victims are able to follow the code. you can hide everything in the open source code. you must be stupid or of dishonest intentions to say otherwise after this is exactly what happened in the asiacoin scam.

ozrep

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Quote from: CryptoSteam on May 07, 2014, 09:51:57 AM

Quote from: ozrep on May 07, 2014, 09:46:39 AM

I read
*Creating a video: We need a volunteer

Wasn't here someone who was doing it? I'm confused.

@Maestro1
count me in if you want italian translations

Yes, Dmann is working on the video. Maestro1 will count you in for the italian translations. BTW, I'm Italian.

Ma che davero? Cheesy

robe da pazzi!!

anyway...crunchynut, xuorc, enabledzombi3...easy guys Grin

You all have a good point...I think you can bring lots of strength to this coin; just try being less nervous.
We still have a week to test everything and be sure AC can have a real revival (and not a dump-party); no need to rush, don't we?

btw...can anyone just stop being hamlet? << trust or not to trust..this is the question >> lol. It's clear you can trust or not...in this coin like everywhere...anyone...just read old posts, make your own decision and stay cool.

ORiN

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Quote from: Maxikosw on May 07, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:10:59 PM

Can some1 go through all the codes, just to be on the safe side... I mean we cannot know if the devs are in fact all the same as the original dev.

How can you be sure that new code inspektor is not friend with old code creator if the coin creator is old dev. It could be even old code creator wifes father cats cousin that inspect that new code. O_o

If that is the case, you are better off investing in stocks. You can never be sure with cryptocurrencies.

Shurugwi

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Quote from: micryon on May 07, 2014, 04:51:46 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

a review from somebody independent, somebody who doesn't have a personal benefit if this turns out as another scam would be helpful.

Now this, I absolutely agree with!

Behind the scenes the foundation has been reaching out to developers to independently audit and verify. We are even putting a bounty behind it.

Currently the independents who have reviewed this are:
  - Adriano dev from COMM coin.
  - Mullick from Cryptsy
  - Developer from BTER

Maestro has been reaching out to rat4 and CINNI developer as well.

We absolutely need more independent auditing of the code, from people that have no benefit. We need more stress testing, negative/whitebox testing.

I have advised that the exchanges do NOT open until this happens.. I recommend 1 week.

I encourage everyone to help find people to review and test the code. The foundation will pay out bounties (as we can afford it.. but hey we don't have much now).. to assist.

Having been done in in both SHAcoin and AsiaCoin I posted on this exact subject today. Some views but no replies so I don't really know how the community feels about the suggestions.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/alt-coin-confidence-check-list-599055

crunchynut

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Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 04:53:11 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

"trust me or don't trust me" is not really working. that's what every scammer tells you here in the announcement board.

Lie #4
A real scammer will hide the code, not publish it. They certainly won't post it for public review prior to its release. Take the original dev for example, since he took down the source code and wiped out his website after things went sour last weekend.

Lie #9999
the original dev published the source code with the modifications to hide the premine. he took it offline much later. very few of the asiacoin investors/victims are able to follow the code. you can hide everything in the open source code. you must be stupid or of dishonest intentions to say otherwise after this is exactly what happened in the asiacoin scam.

Shurugwi

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Quote from: neaopoliti on May 07, 2014, 03:33:54 PM

Quote from: cryptoba on May 07, 2014, 01:56:13 PM

Great work, great new team, great goals, GREAT COIN !!! Grin

Come on AsiaCoin Cool

Yea, u can also go back to Panda coin if u liked be scamed once again.

Dude you missed the 'kick the asiacoin community while they are down' party. That was last week.

Scrappy Do

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I'm sure this has been asked a 100 times already, but I have a real job and no way to read 43 pages to find it. How do I recover my 100k coins? They are still in the old wallet that has been running nonstop.

Crypt2014

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Quote from: micryon on May 07, 2014, 03:28:59 PM

Quote from: MacMuffin on May 07, 2014, 01:53:03 PM

You can download this handy program, winmerge, to check the sourcecodes yourself. Other than that, you can't know if anybody is lying or not.

Bingo..

btw i used winmerge to compare Asiacoin to Cinni and Blackcoin.. and that is how i was able to find all the code diffs that the original scammer put in to hide the premine. All those changes have been reverted in the new code base.

Code is open source guys.. commits are there.. download winmerge, go at it. More people need to learn to code.. or at least read code.

Warning: WinDiff and WinMerge are programs that were actually written by the original dev many years ago... You cannot trust what they show you!!! ..... Ok - Just kidding!

Just wanted to thank the Devs.... You have restored some of the faith I lost last week. This revived AC will probably become one of the most thoroughly checked, analyzed and tested coin codes out there. With the amount of eyes watching it and people scanning through the code, this will be one coin that we can be completely assured of as not being a scam anymore. It is the phoenix rising from the ashes!

EnabledZombi3

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Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

a review from somebody independent, somebody who doesn't have a personal benefit if this turns out as another scam would be helpful.

I fully agree. Please help us out, everyone.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

you have invested in asiacoin, this enabledzombi kid already admitted that he put a bit too much of his money into asiacoin, ...

Yep, I did say that and I do have stake in AC. Glad you decided to post something that's true.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

"trust me or don't trust me" is not really working. that's what every scammer tells you here in the announcement board.

Lie #4
A real scammer will hide the code, not publish it. They certainly won't post it for public review prior to its release. Take the original dev for example, since he took down the source code and wiped out his website after things went sour last weekend.

micryon

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Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 04:35:38 PM

a review from somebody independent, somebody who doesn't have a personal benefit if this turns out as another scam would be helpful.

Now this, I absolutely agree with!

Behind the scenes the foundation has been reaching out to developers to independently audit and verify. We are even putting a bounty behind it.

Currently the independents who have reviewed this are:
  - Adriano dev from COMM coin.
  - Mullick from Cryptsy
  - Developer from BTER

Maestro has been reaching out to rat4 and CINNI developer as well.

We absolutely need more independent auditing of the code, from people that have no benefit. We need more stress testing, negative/whitebox testing.

I have advised that the exchanges do NOT open until this happens.. I recommend 1 week.

I encourage everyone to help find people to review and test the code. The foundation will pay out bounties (as we can afford it.. but hey we don't have much now).. to assist.

Xuorc

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Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 04:16:36 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result.

Lie #1
It's quite possible to review the code changes for any altcoin with published source code like this. Scroll up in the thread and read about winmerge. Anyone who can read code at a rudimentary level can do this.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean

Lie #2
There are at least four of us on the volunteer dev team who are both skilled enough to review the code on github and willing to spend the time necessary to review it.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Lie #3
I've been personally very forthcoming about my real life identity and background/experience as a developer. If something does go wrong with this revival, my name is attached to that. I welcome everyone to click through the link on my account.

All that aside, I do not ask anyone to just trust us. Please independently review the open source, patched AsiaCoin code, announce your findings, and point out problems if they exist.

+1 Well said.

juca_br2002

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It will be good when the Cryptsy reactivate Exchange there.

I really hope this coin Revival without damage of cash. Grin

coinking

legendary

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I really do hope this community and this coin survive. There is a lot of work being done on this project from the looks of it, so to everyone involved well done and keep up the solid work!

crunchynut

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Quote from: micryon on May 07, 2014, 04:05:41 PM

It's true that looking at every line of code is too onerous.. so you build ontop of existing knowledge. The best way to do that is look at diffs and commit history. In lieu of commit history, I diff'd the code line by line using winmerge automation against Cinni and Blackcoin.

Yes there could be other corner cases to the security patch. We won't know until it is in production and/or more eyes get onto it.

For risk adverse people.. please sell.. I encourage people with low risk apetite to sell so you won't have to complain on these forums later on. Nothing in life is risk free.

But everything in life is relative. You all trusted someone with 0 posts, 0 history with Asiacoin initially... Now you can either trust the Jr members (and my own skills).. or not. Any one of us could be the original scammer.. even crunchynut..

Its up to your own risk appetite to decide what to do.. of course for those holding AC right now.. you've got nothing to lose already.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result. i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

a review from somebody independent, somebody who doesn't have a personal benefit if this turns out as another scam would be helpful. you have invested in asiacoin, this enabledzombi kid already admitted that he put a bit too much of his money into asiacoin, ...

"trust me or don't trust me" is not really working. that's what every scammer tells you here in the announcement board.

murkster

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CLOAKCOIN. NOBLECOIN. VERICOIN.

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 04:16:36 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result.

Lie #1
It's quite possible to review the code changes for any altcoin with published source code like this. Scroll up in the thread and read about winmerge. Anyone who can read code at a rudimentary level can do this.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean

Lie #2
There are at least four of us on the volunteer dev team who are both skilled enough to review the code on github and willing to spend the time necessary to review it.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Lie #3
I've been personally very forthcoming about my real life identity and background/experience as a developer. If something does go wrong with this revival, my name is attached to that. I welcome everyone to click through the link on my account.

All that aside, I do not ask anyone to just trust us. Please independently review the open source, patched AsiaCoin code, announce your findings, and point out problems if they exist.

Nicely done..

+1

Nicolaas.R

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Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 04:16:36 PM

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result.

Lie #1
It's quite possible to review the code changes for any altcoin with published source code like this. Scroll up in the thread and read about winmerge. Anyone who can read code at a rudimentary level can do this.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean

Lie #2
There are at least four of us on the volunteer dev team who are both skilled enough to review the code on github and willing to spend the time necessary to review it.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Lie #3
I've been personally very forthcoming about my real life identity and background/experience as a developer. If something does go wrong with this revival, my name is attached to that. I welcome everyone to click through the link on my account.

All that aside, I do not ask anyone to just trust us. Please independently review the open source, patched AsiaCoin code, announce your findings, and point out problems if they exist.

+1

EnabledZombi3

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Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result.

Lie #1
It's quite possible to review the code changes for any altcoin with published source code like this. Scroll up in the thread and read about winmerge. Anyone who can read code at a rudimentary level can do this.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean

Lie #2
There are at least four of us on the volunteer dev team who are both skilled enough to review the code on github and willing to spend the time necessary to review it.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Lie #3
I've been personally very forthcoming about my real life identity and background/experience as a developer. If something does go wrong with this revival, my name is attached to that. I welcome everyone to click through the link on my account.

All that aside, I do not ask anyone to just trust us. Please independently review the open source, patched AsiaCoin code, announce your findings, and point out problems if they exist.

micryon

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It's true that looking at every line of code is too onerous.. so you build ontop of existing knowledge. The best way to do that is look at diffs and commit history. In lieu of commit history, I diff'd the code line by line using winmerge automation against Cinni and Blackcoin.

Yes there could be other corner cases to the security patch. We won't know until it is in production and/or more eyes get onto it.

For risk adverse people.. please sell.. I encourage people with low risk apetite to sell so you won't have to complain on these forums later on. Nothing in life is risk free.

But everything in life is relative. You all trusted someone with 0 posts, 0 history with Asiacoin initially... Now you can either trust the Jr members (and my own skills).. or not. Any one of us could be the original scammer.. even crunchynut..

Its up to your own risk appetite to decide what to do.. of course for those holding AC right now.. you've got nothing to lose already.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 03:46:19 PM

impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result. i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Maestro1

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Quote from: micryon on May 07, 2014, 03:33:44 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Palth.net is trading AC. Wallets active but low volumes.

https://www.palth.net/market/AC/BTC

Someone contact these guys and make sure they have new wallet update.

I contacted them that second. Waiting for their response.

crunchynut

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impossible. you can't confirm that on the fly and whoever tells you in this situation that he carefully checked the code is lying - knowingly or unknowingly. there are so many possibilities to let the one crucial comparison for the premine address return the wrong result. i also don't think that anybody skilled enough to do the task would be willing to spend all that time necessary to go through the code and check that it's really clean and doing what these two junior member accounts that are "saving" the coin are telling us.

all you can do is trust them and that doesn't feel right in this context. doing cryptobusiness shouldn't require that amount of trust.

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 02:17:44 PM

@Crunchynut
Thanks for playing devil's advocate. We need everyone to provide constructive criticism, and it sounds like you're code savvy enough to help us out. Go ahead and review the code. Let us know if you see a problem that needs to be addressed, or you could even address it yourself.

Quote from: crunchynut on May 07, 2014, 02:06:54 PM

Quote from: EnabledZombi3 on May 07, 2014, 11:55:22 AM

Quote from: 3xk0pt3r on May 07, 2014, 08:09:39 AM

Quote from: maxsinner on May 07, 2014, 08:00:55 AM

So what is to prevent the original developer from selling more coins from the premine as we speak? Are you rolling back the block-chain to some point in the past or what, I don't get it?

Im not a coder, but as far as i know, there is a hardcode to block wallet, where the orriginal dev have these premined coins. That's the main reason for stop deposits and withdraws on exchanges and the rason why we'rewaiting for new updated wallet. Those premined coins will be, simply told, ignored.

I am a coder. I'll break it down.

Everyone can look on our AsiaCoin block explorer from the OP that wallet AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu gained 3228519924.78 AC from transaction 4f2a34278389aac0b88bbb283338d4dac9314ec62e7dba0f263fc4570aa93c3b. If we go back to the first blocks, it's easy to spot that block 1 is the original dev's premine and has a similarly large value to the dev wallet above.

As for the code fixes, look here and here for the hard coded dev wallet bans. We can all see redundant checks to block AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu in ProcessBlock, IsStandard, and AcceptBlock. Check it out for yourselves. Each dev wallet ban in the code looks similar to this:

Code:

static const CBitcoinAddress lostWallet ("AKPy5ugy98yBkBCNU9Ne1bHExy5tqdq9Gu");

Code:

if (lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()){
	return error("CBlock::AcceptBlock() : Banned Address %s tried to send a transaction (rejecting it).", addressSource.ToString().c_str());
}

you also checked whether this code is ever executed and there isn't anything hidden that prevents that check?

and did you check cbitcoinaddress, cbitcoinaddressvisitor, cbase58data, etc. that there is nothing hidden that would let the cbitcoinaddress constructors or "lostWallet.Get() == addressSource.Get()" do something unexpected? you can confirm that the == operator works correctly and has no tiny flaw added that will fail in this special case?

it's easy to quote a few lines of code that somehow look like that everything is ok while there are several thousand lines of code involved in making this one comparison work and where you could easily hide your stuff.

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